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Would've been a trilogy. I'm just saying.
Holyfield vs Tyson 2
- Thread starter Lewis Black
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The Fukin Prophecy
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I'm not saying Holyfield beats a prime Tyson but yall are severely downplaying Holyfields overall skills and uncanny ability to fight back...The man isn't called the warrior for no reason...
A prime Tyson wasn't perfect, he wasn't infallible...He looked unstoppable because he was fighting bums who were scared shytless of him and flabby old men who belonged in a retirement home (Holmes and Spinks)...There were a few guys a lot less talented than Holyfield who put up a fight against a prime Tyson...James Tillis immediately comes to mind, he hit the canvas early but he got up and kept the fight close to the point some ringside observers felt he got robbed...Holyfield was a lot smarter, craftier and had the heart to survive that early onslaught and finish strong...
You have no idea what your talking about, first of all Holyfield and Tyson share MANY common opponents so if tyson was fighting ''bums or flabby old men'' so was holyfield, and tyson either sent them into retirement or beat them in quicker more dominant fashion than holyfield did, secondly tyson was more dominant and consistent than holyfield as champ, you see like i said that the thing is holyfielld would fight back and try to trade with tyson and that would be what gets him knocked out, he would have to beat tyson to the punch off setting his rhythm and wear him out over the course of the fight which is what he actually did when they did fight, but that wasnt prime holyfield and that wasnt prime tyson, he would try to go punch for punch with tyson and you dont stand in front of tyson trying to go to war with a deadly combo puncher like him.
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
nikka we already seen how he would of fought Tyson so you can take your idiotic brawler theory and
Holyfield likes to trade but he was never a wreckless idiot...A man doesn't become an ATG LHW champ by fighting like a fukking idiot...If you honestly think Tyson lays Holyfield out like he did Spinks you don't know shyt about boxing...
You saw how a past his prime holyfield fought a past his prime tyson you dumb nikka, we talking primes here...you know the same prime holyfield that almost got knocked out by bert cooper? that was knocked out by bowe? saying i dont know shyt about boxing yet you in here still spittin that same tired ass rhetoric on how tyson fought only bums and old men? stop repeating shyt you read on the net, it doesnt make you a expert, so since i ''dont know shyt about boxing'' please explain with your vast pugilistic knowledge how a prime vs prime match would go?
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
Why would Holyfield fight the most devastating puncher in the sport like he did Bowe or Cooper?
Why would Holyfield go from using his size and not letting Tyson open up offensively with those hooks in '96 to an all out brawl with the most devastating puncher in the sport you fukking idiot?
...because you watched youtube highlights and that's how your mentally inept ass thinks the man always fought?
Stop watching youtube KO highlights lil nikka and actually watch the fights...Maybe then you'd actually know a thing or two about the fighters in question aside for their names and myths...I don't doubt Holyfield would hit the canvas against a prime Tyson...Tyson in the 80's was much more explosive and difficult to smother than the man Holyfield fought in '96 so an early KD where Tyson is throwing bombs in the first 4 rounds is very likely...That said Holyfield wouldn't stay down, he'd get up, keep trying to smother Tyson as much as possible and pick his spots to let his hands go...He'd be fighting in survival mode for the first 6 rounds...The only time Holyfield would of really opened up like in those highlights you gained all your boxing knowledge from would have been in the later rounds where he'd likely be behind on the scorecards and a tired Tyson would make for an easier target...
Spoken like somebody who really really doesn't know shyt lol I'll help you out you dumb nikka, first of all i followed the sport most of my adult life and even participated in it, and for all intents and purposes am prob older than your bum ass so miss me with the insults nikka and keep it boxing, you talkin myths and all that dumb shyt yet you didnt even realize how many common opponents they shared, you just felt like sayin some tired ass cliched bullshyt like ''tyson only fought bums and old men!!''... im waitin for you to throw out ''all you have to do is stand up to tyson and you win!!'', I take nothing away from tyson or holyfield but be real, holyfield will try to stand toe to toe with tyson and he will get caught, the only way to beat a prime tyson is to do what douglas did and what holyfield eventually did, beat him to the punch, stay consistent with your jab,time him and never let him set up, your not dropping him with one punch. Who said he fights one way? not me , what i said was younger prime holyfield liked to engage and trade punches which he did against cooper, stewart, foreman and bowe, i see no reason why he wouldnt against tyson, but i might be wrong and he might be able to but i cant see it happening
Lewis Black
Superstar
Coke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Roids
Roids aint gonna make you shake off no punches, or bullets, not to mention Tyson was in the best shape of his life on the tail end of his career, when he was trained by a known steroid advocate, Freddie the Joke coach roach.................................
threattonature
Veteran
I always hated the common rhetoric that Tyson knew he couldn't win so looked for an easy way out. I thought Mike was looking way better than he did in the first fight and looked on the way to a competitive ass fight. I really think the nikka just snapped.
Yeah same tired ass rhetoric gets repeated with zero context, saying how tyson was mentally weak and all this dumb shyt, you dont become unified champ of the world at 20 if your as mentally weak as people love to say tyson is and you def dont come back after years away to almost unify the titles again. Its alot of bias when it comes to tyson and most boxing fans that fail to give the man his due, it will be those same ones that says he is overrated, didnt beat anyone,etc but then use him to prop up holyfield or Lewis legacies as a signature win.
Honestly I don't think Tyson would have beat Holyfield in any era, Evander just seems to have his number.
No, it wasn't much of an accomplishment.
1. Tyson didn't unify the titles. He won the WBC and WBA titles, but not the IBF.
2. The title situation was a mess around the time Tyson got out of prison. The top fighters didn't hold titles, and mediocre guys were sitting on titles waiting for big money fights with Tyson:
Riddikk Bowe was the last undisputed champion. He was stripped by the WBC for not fighting mandatory challenger Lennox Lewis. Evander Holyfield beat Bowe in a rematch, then lost to Michael Moorer and temporarily retired due to health issues. Moorer was KOed by a 45-year-old George Foreman, who claimed the WBA and IBF titles, as well as the legitimate lineal title. Instead of fighting the top fighters, Foreman took a seemingly easy fight against unknown German Axel Schulz. The WBA stripped Foreman for not facing mandatory challenger Tony Tucker (why Tucker was the mandatory challenger, I don't know). Foreman won a controversial decision against Schulz, then was stripped by the IBF for refusing a rematch with Schulz. Michael Moorer ended up claiming the vacant IBF title in 1996 by defeating Schulz.
Meanwhile, Tony Tucker and Bruce Seldon fought for the vacant WBA title. Why on earth the WBA had a has-been in Tucker and a never-was journeyman in Seldon fighting for the belt is a mystery to me. Seldon won, and then sat on the title by taking on a tomato can until he could fight Tyson.
In a stunning upset, Lennox Lewis was KOed in 1994 by journeyman Oliver McCall. McCall's victory allowed Don King to regain control of a belt. King basically wanted to ensure control over the title until Tyson was out of prison so he could have Tyson fight for it in a big money fight. McCall defended the title against a 46-year-old Larry Holmes, then lost to a 34-year-old, past his prime Frank Bruno, who never accomplished much when he was in his prime. Bruno then fought Tyson.
So because of two shocking upsets (McCall KOing Lewis and Foreman KOing Moorer), the titles ended up in the hands of a bunch of mediocre fighters. They basically froze out the real top fighters in the division (Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield) waiting for a bigger money fight with Tyson.
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