Homos/trannies have no place in the black community

[ignorethis]

Lol these dudes ideologies are mirror images of David Duke's. You just substitute black for white...

Whites (blacks) are genetically superior to blacks (whites).

Jews are evil and secretly control everything and their agenda is to destroy whites (blacks) by using blacks (whites) as their pawns.

The powers that be (Jews) are using "the gay agenda" and feminism to wage war on whites (blacks).

There's a propaganda war being waged in the media to destroy and oppress the white (black) race.

We need a sovereign white (black) state.

Anybody who disagrees with my views is a traitor to the white (black) race.

Everything is a government/Jew/Illuminati conspiracy to enslave the white (black) race.

What's funny is I see a lot of dudes here unknowlingly citing paleoconservative white supremacist ideas and literature from the early and mid-20th century and claiming to be pro-black.

lol most of the stuff you posted almost nobody on here says lol

Hell I wish black had their own conservative movement seperate of white conservative and neoliberals, right-wing ideologies are winning strategies.
Left-wing ideologies are "yea you're losing but atleast we can try and make losing less miserable or drag the winners down with us."

It's crazy how Laveyan in nature society is becoming

 

[mrken12]

lol most of the stuff you posted almost nobody on here says lol

Hell I wish black had their own conservative movement seperate of white conservative and neoliberals, right-wing ideologies are winning strategies.
Left-wing ideologies are "yea you're losing but atleast we can try and make losing less miserable or drag the winners down with us."

It's crazy how Laveyan in nature society is becoming

Plus that same poster is a cheerleader for open white supremacist @KingpinOG so his opinion on anything is irrelevant.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

lol most of the stuff you posted almost nobody on here says lol

Hell I wish black had their own conservative movement seperate of white conservative and neoliberals, right-wing ideologies are winning strategies.
Left-wing ideologies are "yea you're losing but atleast we can try and make losing less miserable or drag the winners down with us."

It's crazy how Laveyan in nature society is becoming

Um, no they're not. Look at the past 35 years in this country. White people are so racist that they vote against their own economic interest out of susceptibility to propaganda that scapegoats black people for their problems.

 

[Pifferry]

Who denied violence against gays? When did I claim hate against Gays? You nikkas make up arguments to respond to.

All I said was he could do a better job at making a comparison because as of now. White people hating you is not enough for me to consider gay struggle and black struggle the same.

Gays are dancing naked on floats for their rights. You know why we're weren't dancing naked on floats and fukkin in public during the civIl rights movement? Because we were literally being murdered out there. We couldn't afford to do dumb shyt like that. Our rights/lives aren't fun and games. This goes back to my point, the two are not comparable even too the point that we protest and celebrate our pride differently. I even had a gay dude explain this to me as well. Is he homophobic?

No matter how hard liberal white folks like yourself try to shame Hetero blacks into taking on your causes, I doubt we will just lay down to them. You will not attach causes and combine them with ours. Gays rights, black rights, Latino immigration, all separate issues. And they all deserve their own attention.

I'll just quote what I said on another page.
"And this isn't to say gay is the new black or that the struggle is tit for tat the same and that gays are immediately black allies and can't be bigoted or anything because I know that's not the truth just that ..."
No one is saying they're the same but the situation that gay's have faced in this country has been much worse at other points in time.
And the reason why they're out dancing like idiots is to make people uncomfortable and is the result of being sexually repressed.
But I don't believe it's doing any good and just promotes the image of homosexuals as sexual deviants and is blatant public decency so it should be stopped especially considering that the climate of the country is getting much more accepting.
And no ones saying black people have to go out and march for gay rights.
Saying stop being a bigot isn't the same as saying go be an activist and all bigots should be shamed.
Still not white btw

 

[ignorethis]

Um, no they're not. Look at the past 35 years in this country. White people are so racist that they vote against their own economic interest out of susceptibility to propaganda that scapegoats black people for their problems.

You're looking at things from a basic ass level.

I mean conservative ideologies such as commonality, moral absolutism, facism, capitalism, traditionalism, and social authority. These are traits commonly associated with empires and superpowers, these make the formations of effective movements much easiers rather than left wing ideologies such as individualism, moral relativism, egalitarianism(this is one of the biggest downfalls of black society in the USA)

"they vote against their own economic interest" yes for the overall politcal interest of people that have the same views on race and societal structure as them, that's not dumb at all, only a short sighted person would think that.

Racism is great and it's benefit span generations for those implementing it, so why would you jeopardize that system for a few hundred dollar savings on your taxes

Whites playing chess while nikkas playing checkers, that why all this liberal kumbaya shyt can get the fukk outta here
Blacks should be trying to imitate the strategies of the guys that are winning and oppressing them(conservatives), rather than embracing and being used by the losers of white society (liberal).

Black nationalism was essentially a black conservative movement that was fostered outside of the realm of white conservatism.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You're looking at things from a basic ass level.

I mean conservative ideologies such as commonality, moral absolutism, facism, capitalism, traditionalism, and social authority. These are traits commonly associated with empires and superpowers, these make the formations of effective movements much easiers rather than left wing ideologies such as individualism, moral relativism, egalitarianism(this is one of the biggest downfalls of black society in the USA)

"they vote against their own economic interest" yes for the overall politcal interest of people that have the same views on race and societal structure as them, that's not dumb at all, only a short sight person would think that.

Racism is great and it's benefit span generations for those implementing it, so why would you jeopardize that system for a few hundred dollar savings on your taxes

Whites playing chess while nikkas playing checkers, that why all this liberal kumbaya shyt can get the fukk outta here
Blacks should be trying to imitate the strategies of the guys that are winning and oppressing them(conservatives), rather than embracing and being used by the losers of white society (liberal).

Black nationalism was essentially a black conservative movement that was fostered outside of the realm of white conservatism.

This post was a rambling pile of stupidity and incoherence. You obviously have no idea what conservatism means, and erroneously and laughably refer to the post-WW2 economic policies that built the white middle class as "liberal kumbaya shyt."

Take a political science course. And thanks for reminding me why I don't talk politics much outside of HL. Peace.

 

[Blackking]

Um, no they're not. Look at the past 35 years in this country. White people are so racist that they vote against their own economic interest out of susceptibility to propaganda that scapegoats black people for their problems.

its not that cut and dry with black ideology.

and white people have more power with their vote so it's worth manipulating them.

the black vote is going Dem anyway.


and pro black ideology is more reactionary than anything. Steps are : See the things negatively affecting the masses Then determine that it's not healthy for the community.


Black people have this IDEA of community and unity and that our families have been broken by 'outsiders' ..... so naturally the rejection of gay agendas is a response.

 

[ignorethis]

This post was a rambling pile of stupidity and incoherence. You obviously have no idea what conservatism means. Take a political science course. Peace.

lol you don't even know half of the phrases I used so you're trying to deflect.

Liberal/conservative are bad phrases to use anyway since they are relative and change with the times
So it's much better to use the left-right wing spectrum as a barometer of ideologies, and the message stands that right wing ideologies are the ideologies of the winners while left wing ideologies are usually adopted by the underclasses as crutches rather than catalyst for seizing power.

 

[frogy]

u guys r horrible

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

lol you don't even know half of the phrases I used so you're trying to deflect.

Liberal/conservative are bad phrases to use anyway since they are relative and change with the times
So it's much better to use the left-right wing spectrum as a barometer of ideologies, and the message stands that right wing ideologies are the ideologies of the winners while left wing ideologies are usually adopted by the underclasses as crutches rather than catalyst for seizing power.

No, the white middle class was literally built on what would be called "liberal" policies today after WW2 under FDR...that and their white privilege of course. When the country moved toward a neoliberal approach in the late 70's and the Reagan years, the middle class started losing bad...jobs eliminated and outsourced, wages declining, income inequality exploding, etc.

The political fuel for the rise of neoliberal economics/reaganomics, which has remained the status quo for the past 35 years has been scapegoating blacks (and hispanics to a lesser extent) as the source of white middle and working class problems with often coded rhetoric about "big government," welfare queens, crime and safety, cutting taxes, etc. and everyone except the rich is suffering as a result.

That's what I meant when I talked about white people voting against their own interests out of racism. You just went all over the place with your response. Unfortunately a lot of white people would rather go bankrupt over medical bills for uninsured expenses than see subsidized healthcare expanded to cover more black people.

 

[Mowgli]

Wrong thread.

 

[HoloGraphic]

I hope we all know that as black people, the fate of the black race is in our hands. And I mean yours, you reading this. Your success is our success. Straight, gay, trans or whatever.

 

[ignorethis]

No, the white middle class was literally built on what would be called "liberal" policies today after WW2 under FDR...that and their white privilege of course. When the country moved toward a neoliberal approach in the late 70's and the Reagan years, the middle class started losing bad...jobs eliminated and outsourced, wages declining, income inequality exploding, etc.

The political fuel for the rise of neoliberal economics/reaganomics, which has remained the status quo for the past 35 years has been scapegoating blacks (and hispanics to a lesser extent) as the source of white middle and working class problems with often coded rhetoric about "big government," welfare queens, crime and safety, cutting taxes, etc. and everyone except the rich is suffering as a result.

That's what I meant when I talked about white people voting against their own interests out of racism. You just went all over the place with your response. Unfortunately a lot of white people would rather go bankrupt over medical bills for uninsured expenses than see subsidized healthcare expanded to cover more black people.

You actually used the phrase "Reaganomics" in a discussion revolving around actually ideological/political/economic theories

FDR implemented Keynesian economics and societal safety blanket, but that blanket was still exclusive to certain classes. It was still a right-wing implementation of a left-wing idea, and even then assigning left-right distinctions to theories such as Keynesian economics is dumb.

Reagan was only right-wing relative to the U.S. left wing, you're looking at the left-right dynamic in the scope of U.S. politics when it's much much bigger than that. Reagan is a centrist just like Obama is a centrist, their are few true left or right wingers in U.S. politics, even though the USA has historical been to the right of the spectrum.

What Reagan did practice is right-wing populism, and guess what? IT WORKED. Reagan overwhelmingly increased the standard of life for the white majority of the nation while sacrificing the minority, that's exactly what they were going for

Even now with the declining jobs, wages, and standards of living those negatives are still overwhelmingly shouldered onto the minority, the only reason it has began to bleed over into the white majority more is because of the rise of liberal ideologies among whites.

The white standard of living hasn't dropped because whites conservatives voting against the economics interests of themselves, it dropped because white liberals voting against the interests of whites overall, which is great for us black folks, but we shouldn't be buddy buddy and adopting the ideologies of the people that are singlehandedly responsible for loss of power and inevitable downfall of their own white people, whether on purpose or by accident.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You actually used the phrase "Reaganomics" in a discussion revolving around actually ideological/political/economic theories

Uh, Reaganomics is just another name for supply-side economics, which is an economic theory. I mentioned an economic theory in a discussion that involved economic theories. So silly of me. I'll spell out supply-side economics for you next time.

FDR implemented Keynesian economics and societal safety blanket, but that blanket was still exclusive to certain classes. It was still a right-wing implementation of a left-wing idea, and even then assigning left-right distinctions to theories such as Keynesian economics is dumb.

You sound very confused. I can tell you're just making shyt up on the fly and googling stuff frantically in order to appear more learned than you really are. "Right wing implementation of a left wing idea?" A lot of the New Deal policies did exclude blacks. That makes them racist, not right wing.

Keynesian economics being toward the left end of the political spectrum is not dumb. It's basic political knowledge than any poly sci undergrad student knows. We're not just talking about Keynesian fiscal policy though. Strong labor unions, higher taxes at the top end, the G. I. bill, a robust social safety net, etc. and basically approaching economic policy as building by securing the middle class as this country did from the 30's through the 70's, were not necessarily Keynesian, but it's easy to connect them because Keynesian theory calls for the public sector to pick up the slack when the market is inefficient and Keynesian was the standard until the late 70's and 80's when the Chicago school stuff gained prominence.

To summarize Keynesian fiscal policy at a very, very basic policy level, it's increasing spending and cutting taxes and using monetary stimulus during periods of low growth, then decreasing spending and raising taxes during periods of steady growth. That's what the country did until the Reagan years. A sea change occurred around that time in fiscal and governmental policy and the country is worse off for it.

Reagan was only right-wing relative to the U.S. left wing, you're looking at the left-right dynamic in the scope of U.S. politics when it's much much bigger than that. Reagan is a centrist just like Obama is a centrist, their are few true left or right wingers in U.S. politics, even though the USA has historical been to the right of the spectrum.

Reagan was right wing relative to the previous 50 years of economic policy. That's my point. I don't even know what you're attempting to argue or what point you're trying to make. I don't disagree with thr rest of what you said.

What Reagan did practice is right-wing populism, and guess what? IT WORKED. Reagan overwhelmingly increased the standard of life for the white majority of the nation while sacrificing the minority, that's exactly what they were going for

Even now with the declining jobs, wages, and standards of living those negatives are still overwhelmingly shouldered onto the minority, the only reason it has began to bleed over into the white majority more is because of the rise of liberal ideologies among whites.

The white standard of living hasn't dropped because whites conservatives voting against the economics interests of themselves, it dropped because white liberals voting against the interests of whites overall, which is great for us black folks, but we shouldn't be buddy buddy and adopting the ideologies of the people that are singlehandedly responsible for loss of power and inevitable downfall of their own white people, whether on purpose or by accident.

What the fukk are you talking about? Reagan did not increase peoples' standard of living. I guess you're one of those people who swallow the bullshyt propaganda that Reagan was responsible for the economic growth of the 80's when anyone with any sense knows it was because of Paul Volcker expanding the money supply and slashing rates after contracting it on the 70's recession years.

This isn't about Reagan though. It's about the new status quo that was introduced under Reagan that has maintained prominence to this day: laissez-faire neoliberalism, deregulation, union-busting, privatization, free trade, top marginal rates in the 20-40% range instead of the 70-90% range.

The white standard of living has dropped. Real wages, savings, and standard of living has declined for the past 35 yeard and it's run concurrently with exploding income inequality. You think white people in middle America haven't seen their wages cut and jobs disappear?

But wait, that's due to "white liberal ideologues"?

Get a clue dude. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and think you're equipped to debate stuff out of your depth by haphazardly googling anecdotes you don't fully understand. You haven't said a thing that refutes my initial point.

 

[ignorethis]

Uh, Reaganomics is just another name for supply-side economics, which is an economic school of thought. I mentioned an economic theory in a discussion that involved economic theories. So silly of me.



You sound very confused. I can tell you're just making shyt up on the fly and googling stuff frantically in order to appear more learned than you really are. "Right wing implementation of a left wing idea?" A lot of the New Deal policies did exclude blacks. That makes them racist, not right wing.

Keynesian economics being toward the left end of the political spectrum is not dumb. It's basic political knowledge than any poly sci undergrad student knows. We're not just talking about Keynesian fiscal policy though. Strong labor unions, higher taxes at the top end, the G. I. bill, a robust social safety net, etc. and basically approaching economic policy as building by securing the middle class as this country did from the 30's through the 70's, were not necessarily Keynesian, but it's easy to connect them because Keynesian theory calls for the public sector to pick up the slack during periods of stagnant growth, and Keynesian was the standard until the late 70's and 80's when the Chicago school stuff gained prominence.

To summarize Keynesian fiscal policy at a very, very basic policy level, it's increasing spending and cutting taxes and using monetary stimulus during periods of low growth, then decreasing spending and raising taxes during periods of steady growth. That's what the country did until the Reagan years.



Reagan was right wing relative to the previous 50 years of economic policy. That's my point. I don't even know what you're attempting to argue or what point you're trying to make. I don't disagree with thr rest of what you said.


What the fukk are you talking about? Reagan did not increase peoples' standard of living. I guess you're one of those people who swallow the bullshyt propaganda that Reagan was responsible for the economic growth of the 80's when anyone with any sense knows it was because of Paul Volcker expanding the money supply and slashing rates after contracting it on the 70's recession years.

This isn't about Reagan though. It's about the new status quo that was introduced under Reagan that has maintained prominence to this day: laissez-faire neoliberalism, deregulation, union-busting, privatization, free trade, top marginal rates in the 20-40% range instead of the 70-90% range.

The white standard of living has dropped. Real wages, savings, and standard of living has declined for the past 35 yeard and it's run concurrently with exploding income inequality. You think white people in middle America haven't seen their wages cut and jobs disappear?

But wait, that's due to "white liberal ideologues"?

Get a clue dude. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and think you're equipped to debate stuff out of your depth by googling anecdotes you don't fully understand.

post misleading charts breh

You think most whites are goods producing workers? The only point you had was whites in middle America, and even then those industries were even bigger staples in black community. You can argue that the exporting of manufacturing jobs hurt whites, but its a definite that it destroyed blacks.

Not to mention the effects of introducing more of the population into the workforce (women) decreasing wages, increased population overall, automation,and increase government assistance sustaining certain wage groups.

I guess, Reagan played more in the drop of wages than that simple event, something that everybody accepts as being a catalysts for falling wages.

And the New Deal = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism#United_States

I really have to stop responding because you're dragging me into arguing about petty shyt like wages and Reagan when I was trying to make a argument regarding societal and social structure overall.