Honestly, what are LeBron's knees made of?

[Floyd Pinkerton]

Taxman talking about a mans knees existing is a scary sight

I got you breh

 

[beenz]

vibranium

karl malone was the same though 6'9 250 and played 80 games 37mpg plus every year for 18 years and was dominant, then he had his first significant injury at like 40 with the lakers

but karl malone didn't have nearly the type of jaw dropping athleticism that lebron does. not even when he was young.

 

[beenz]

here's a video about knee injuries. and it explains in detail why someone like :rose1: knees when to shyt while and knees perform better than ever.



dude also specifically talks about lebron's knees, and dennis smith jr's violent landings which ya'll talked about during the dunk contest.

 

[cKondomsucK6]

If hgh prevented knee injuries then Barry might still be hitting 500ft home runs.

nothing beats age

 

[Raw Lyrics]

But using HGH doesn't keep you from getting injured breh, so you have no point.

It helps you recover much faster from injury. Anyone who's followed Andy Pettite's career knows he had a history of elbow issues throughout his career UNTIL hgh:

Pettitte admits using HGH to recover from an elbow injury in 2002

Yankees' Pettitte admits he used HGH in 2002

 

[NaijaProdigy Redux]

Game 7 of the 2016 Finals...that final play where he fell...I thought the Injury Gods finally got him

Dude popped up after a minute and dusted himself off

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It helps you recover much faster from injury. Anyone who's followed Andy Pettite's career knows he had a history of elbow issues throughout his career UNTIL hgh:

Pettitte admits using HGH to recover from an elbow injury in 2002

Yankees' Pettitte admits he used HGH in 2002

Whether or not HGH helps you recover from injury is still disputed (all sorts of people claim all sorts of random shyt helped them, including clear quackery), but that's besides the point, cause Lebron almost NEVER gets injured. We're not talking about him recovering from injury, we're talking about him not getting injured at all, which is a completely different thing.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Whether or not HGH helps you recover from injury is still disputed (all sorts of people claim all sorts of random shyt helped them, including clear quackery), but that's besides the point, cause Lebron almost NEVER gets injured. We're not talking about him recovering from injury, we're talking about him not getting injured at all, which is a completely different thing.

To say LeBron has never been injured may be technically right, but that doesn't mean he has never been hurt and that doesn't mean he's never taken performance enhancing drugs - which according to Derek Rose, Rip Hamilton and others, is rampant in the NBA.

According to this health letter published by Harvard:

Whether HGH helps people recover from surgery has been tested in studies of orthopedic and liver patients. The results are mixed. For example, a German group reported results of a study in 2007 involving just over 400 people who had broken their shin bones (tibias). Over all, the researchers didn't find that HGH treatment enhanced healing of the fractures. But when they narrowed the analysis to include just people with fractures that didn't break the skin (closed fractures), they found that HGH did accelerate healing quite a bit.

It's good that research is being done. Still, if I had to make a prediction, I'd say that HGH will continue to be used to promote healing in a few, special circumstances, but that it won't become a routine part of postsurgical care. There are too many potential side effects, including high blood sugar levels and promotion of cell growth that theoretically might result in cancer.


It's my belief that most elite athletes in the NBA are on some type of performance enhancer, doesn't necessarily have to be HGH.

 

[Lweezy]

So what ? Most athletes use peds. Who cares?

 

[intruder]

vibranium

karl malone was the same though 6'9 250 and played 80 games 37mpg plus every year for 18 years and was dominant, then he had his first significant injury at like 40 with the lakers

Karl played 80 or more games for 17 seasons, crazy

Yeah but Karl wasnt jumping out the gym and playing as much as Lebron has played. Remember 9 straight finals and among them were trips to the Olympics and other international competition.

I would think in his 15 years LeBron has probably played more games than Karl did in 17 years. And again, Karl was athletic and all but he didnt jump as high as Lebron

 

[Professor Emeritus]

According to this health letter published by Harvard:

Whether HGH helps people recover from surgery has been tested in studies of orthopedic and liver patients. The results are mixed. For example, a German group reported results of a study in 2007 involving just over 400 people who had broken their shin bones (tibias). Over all, the researchers didn't find that HGH treatment enhanced healing of the fractures. But when they narrowed the analysis to include just people with fractures that didn't break the skin (closed fractures), they found that HGH did accelerate healing quite a bit.

How is that even possible? Does that mean that with the fractures that did break the skin, HGH made the healing slower?

In truth, that's called selective analysis, and it's generally considered invalid in scientific research. They went in testing to see if HGH enhanced healing of fractures, and it didn't. So then you can look at dozens of subgroups - did it enhance healing of simple fractures (as opposed to compound)? Did it enhance healing of compound fractures (as opposed to simple)? Test for just closed fractures? Test for just open fractures? What about if only men are included? What about if only women are included? What about if only athletes are included?

You try enough different subgroups, and you'll find one just by random chance that will show better results. Until the research is replicated, the result is meaningless, because it might just be that you cherry-picked the only subgroup that randomly turned out that way.

HGH may or may not improve healing. It's unknown. But to attribute Lebron's lack of injury to HGH is nonsensical. Even if what you say is true, and PED use is rampant in the NBA, why would it work so well for Lebron and not be working for everyone else?

 

[J-MIL]

Malone had decent athleticism in his earlier years

 

[Raw Lyrics]

How is that even possible? Does that mean that with the fractures that did break the skin, HGH made the healing slower? [You would have to read the study, but do you think they nefariously manipulated the study in order to get that outcome?]

In truth, that's called selective analysis [ so you're definitely stating the study was based upon "selective analysis"?] and it's generally [so in general but not all the time?] considered invalid in scientific research. They [Who is "they"?] went in testing to see if HGH enhanced healing of fractures, and it didn't. So then you can look at dozens of subgroups - did it enhance healing of simple fractures (as opposed to compound) [ Are you saying that was not done? I'm not saying it was because I don't have the time to read the thousands of pages on the subject, maybe you did]? Did it enhance healing of compound fractures (as opposed to simple)? Test for just closed fractures [Perhaps the Germans did, they are oftentimes on the cutting edge of science, medicine and technology]? Test for just open fractures [Perhaps they did] ? What about if only men are included [I can try to find the PDF for you]? What about if only women are included [that could be the case]? What about if only athletes are included [I don't know]?

You try enough different subgroups, and you'll find one just by random chance that will show better results. Until the research is replicated, the result is meaningless, because it might just be that you [Who is "you"?] cherry-picked the only subgroup that randomly turned out that way.

HGH may or may not improve healing. It's unknown. But to attribute Lebron's lack of injury to HGH is nonsensical. Even if what you say is true [it's not me saying it, I'm going according to the professionals within the sport, who had stated it on the record ], and PED use is rampant in the NBA, why would it work so well for Lebron and not be working for everyone else?

Since, neither you nor I have read the thousands of pages of the specific study I cited, we can't tell whether or not the study did or did not go through all the controls you cited.

As far as HGH specifically, there are many doctors throughout the world who prescribe it for medical, non-sports related purposes.

However, I'm not here to argue whether or not HGH is definitively helpful to the countless elite athletes who have been caught using them.

Performance enhancers cover a wide array of drugs, and what many experts will tell you is that the athletes and their providers of these substances are usually ahead of the science (with respect to testing protocols)

To answer your question about why LeBron has never been injured --- who knows, it can be genetics, luck, performance enhancers, or a combination of all three.

As far as "working so well for LeBron" not working for everyone else, why did performance enhancers work so well for Lance Armstrong (EPO - a different type of performance enhancement) and not for his opponents when he was dominating them?

Especially, when it's generally agreed upon that the Tour De France was a hotbed of PED usage. It could be a combination of things - luck, genetics, or a better chemist than his rivals.

My opinion is this: LeBron is getting the best performance enhancing drugs, specifically tailored for him and the sport he plays. And I have NO PROOF to support my assertion it is just a belief I have. I also believe many other stars are using high quality PEDs.

If you believe most of the stars in the NBA don't use performance enhancing drugs, then the evidence (or lack of it) is on your side...at the moment.

In ten years, if I'm alive and healthy and nothing has come out of my assertions, I'll see if I re-up this thread.

With that being said, if wide-spread PED use is ever uncovered in the NBA, I will re-up this thread as well.

I will read your response, but I will not be able to reply. Have a great day.


Mark Cuban Foundation aids U-M research on growth hormone’s impact on ACL recovery | Michigan Medicine

 

[Brozay]

Yeah but Karl wasnt jumping out the gym and playing as much as Lebron has played. Remember 9 straight finals and among them were trips to the Olympics and other international competition.

I would think in his 15 years LeBron has probably played more games than Karl did in 17 years. And again, Karl was athletic and all but he didnt jump as high as Lebron

this wasnt a pissing contest, both of their longevities are impressive

 

[KingJay]

Karl was crazy, but he wasn't puttin his head at the rim at his size and taking off with receiver speed like LeBron has been doing