The bill isn't a new bill, but an amendment to the current Fugitive Offenders Ordinance due to a legal loophole that will let a murderer go scott free.
The bill proposes to modify the current Fugitive Offenders Ordinance to permit extradition of suspect accused of the following crimes,
on the condition that the crimes have to be punishable by 7 or more years in prison.
Murder or manslaughter, including criminal negligence causing death; culpable homicide; assault with intent to commit murder.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring suicide.
Maliciously wounding; maiming; inflicting grievous or actual bodily harm; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; threats to kill; intentional or reckless endangering of life whether by means of a weapon, a dangerous substance or otherwise; offences relating to unlawful wounding or injuring.
Offences of a sexual nature including rape; sexual assault; indecent assault; unlawful sexual acts on children; statutory sexual offences.
Gross indecency with a child, a mental defective or an unconscious person.
Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment; unlawful confinement; dealing or trafficking in slaves or other persons; taking a hostage.
Criminal intimidation.
Offences against the law relating to dangerous drugs including narcotics, psychotropic substances, precursors and essential chemicals used in the illegal manufacture of narcotics and psychotropic substances; offences relating to the proceeds of drug trafficking.
Obtaining property or pecuniary advantage by deception; theft; robbery; burglary (including breaking and entering); embezzlement; blackmail; extortion; unlawful handling or receiving of property; false accounting; any other offence in respect of property or fiscal matters involving fraud; any offence against the law relating to unlawful deprivation of property.
Offences relating to counterfeiting; offences against the law relating to forgery or uttering what is forged.
Offences against the law relating to bribery, corruption, secret commissions and breach of trust.
Perjury and subornation of perjury.
Offences relating to the perversion or obstruction of the course of justice.
Arson; criminal damage or mischief including mischief in relation to computer data.
Offences against the law relating to firearms.
Offences against the law relating to explosives.
Mutiny or any mutinous act committed on board a vessel at sea.
Piracy involving ships or aircraft.
Unlawful seizure or exercise of control of an aircraft or other means of transportation.
Genocide or direct and public incitement to commit genocide.
Facilitating or permitting the escape of a person from custody..
Smuggling; offences against the law relating to import and export of prohibited items, including historical and archaeological items.
Immigration offences including fraudulent acquisition or use of a passport or visa.
Arranging or facilitating for financial gain, the illegal entry of persons into a jurisdiction.
Offences relating to gambling or lotteries.
Offences relating to the unlawful termination of pregnancy.
Stealing, abandoning, exposing or unlawfully detaining a child; any other offences involving the exploitation of children.
Offences against the law relating to prostitution and premises kept for the purposes of prostitution.
Offences relating to unlawful escape from custody; mutiny in prison.
Bigamy.
Offences relating to women and girls.
Offences relating to the possession or laundering of proceeds obtained from the commission of any offence described in this Schedule.
Impeding the arrest or prosecution of a person who has or is believed to have committed an offence described in this Schedule.
Offences for which persons may be surrendered under multi-lateral international conventions; offences created as a result of decisions of international organizations.
Conspiracy to commit fraud or to defraud.
Conspiracy to commit, or any type of association to commit, any offence described in this Schedule.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring the commission of, inciting, being an accessory before or after the fact to, or attempting to commit an offence described in this Schedule.
Not one single religious or political crime on that list.
The bill isn't a new bill, but an amendment to the current Fugitive Offenders Ordinance due to a legal loophole that will let a murderer go scott free.
The bill proposes to modify the current Fugitive Offenders Ordinance to permit extradition of suspect accused of the following crimes,
on the condition that the crimes have to be punishable by 7 or more years in prison.
Murder or manslaughter, including criminal negligence causing death; culpable homicide; assault with intent to commit murder.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring suicide.
Maliciously wounding; maiming; inflicting grievous or actual bodily harm; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; threats to kill; intentional or reckless endangering of life whether by means of a weapon, a dangerous substance or otherwise; offences relating to unlawful wounding or injuring.
Offences of a sexual nature including rape; sexual assault; indecent assault; unlawful sexual acts on children; statutory sexual offences.
Gross indecency with a child, a mental defective or an unconscious person.
Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment; unlawful confinement; dealing or trafficking in slaves or other persons; taking a hostage.
Criminal intimidation.
Offences against the law relating to dangerous drugs including narcotics, psychotropic substances, precursors and essential chemicals used in the illegal manufacture of narcotics and psychotropic substances; offences relating to the proceeds of drug trafficking.
Obtaining property or pecuniary advantage by deception; theft; robbery; burglary (including breaking and entering); embezzlement; blackmail; extortion; unlawful handling or receiving of property; false accounting; any other offence in respect of property or fiscal matters involving fraud; any offence against the law relating to unlawful deprivation of property.
Offences relating to counterfeiting; offences against the law relating to forgery or uttering what is forged.
Offences against the law relating to bribery, corruption, secret commissions and breach of trust.
Perjury and subornation of perjury.
Offences relating to the perversion or obstruction of the course of justice.
Arson; criminal damage or mischief including mischief in relation to computer data.
Offences against the law relating to firearms.
Offences against the law relating to explosives.
Mutiny or any mutinous act committed on board a vessel at sea.
Piracy involving ships or aircraft.
Unlawful seizure or exercise of control of an aircraft or other means of transportation.
Genocide or direct and public incitement to commit genocide.
Facilitating or permitting the escape of a person from custody..
Smuggling; offences against the law relating to import and export of prohibited items, including historical and archaeological items.
Immigration offences including fraudulent acquisition or use of a passport or visa.
Arranging or facilitating for financial gain, the illegal entry of persons into a jurisdiction.
Offences relating to gambling or lotteries.
Offences relating to the unlawful termination of pregnancy.
Stealing, abandoning, exposing or unlawfully detaining a child; any other offences involving the exploitation of children.
Offences against the law relating to prostitution and premises kept for the purposes of prostitution.
Offences relating to unlawful escape from custody; mutiny in prison.
Bigamy.
Offences relating to women and girls.
Offences relating to the possession or laundering of proceeds obtained from the commission of any offence described in this Schedule.
Impeding the arrest or prosecution of a person who has or is believed to have committed an offence described in this Schedule.
Offences for which persons may be surrendered under multi-lateral international conventions; offences created as a result of decisions of international organizations.
Conspiracy to commit fraud or to defraud.
Conspiracy to commit, or any type of association to commit, any offence described in this Schedule.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring the commission of, inciting, being an accessory before or after the fact to, or attempting to commit an offence described in this Schedule.
Not one single religious or political crime on that list.
1. If you don't already understand how China has used the legal system to control political dissent you are completely out of your league in this discussion
2. You still arent speaking on the taiwanese extradition component... were you just lying about that?
1. If you don't already understand how China has used the legal system to control political dissent you are completely out of your league in this discussion
2. You still arent speaking on the taiwanese extradition component... were you just lying about that?
Even taiwan doesn't want this law passed as it would endanger taiwanese citizens of HK making them within the reach of mainland policy. You keep trying to use this taiwan issue to make it seem like the extradition treaty has nothing to do with mainland power... when EVEN TAIWAN KNOWS IT'S ABOUT MAINLAND CHINA EXERTING INFLUENCE
Even taiwan doesn't want this law passed as it would endanger taiwanese citizens of HK making them within the reach of mainland policy. You keep trying to use this taiwan issue to make it seem like the extradition treaty has nothing to do with mainland power... when EVEN TAIWAN KNOWS IT'S ABOUT MAINLAND CHINA EXERTING INFLUENCE
the nation of Taiwan opposes this whole thing...
the same nation you claimed needed this to have somebody brought to justice for murder.
the nation of Taiwan says this whole thing is really about mainland china exerting influence... Taiwan fears for it's HK citizens due to the current mainland policies and actions...
Address this issue instead of trying to talk your way around it..
the nation of Taiwan opposes this whole thing...
the same nation you claimed needed this to have somebody brought to justice for murder.
the nation of Taiwan says this whole thing is really about mainland china exerting influence... Taiwan fears for it's HK citizens due to the current mainland policies and actions...
Address this issue instead of trying to talk your way around it..
.....China has a long history of using false charges to jail and silence political dissidents so you showing what charges they CAN use doesn't make much difference when the legal system is corrupt
Did you even look up why taiwan doesn't like the extradition bill?
have you done any research on Chinas history?
I'm really thinking you have not really followed politics in china and just hopped onto this HK issue recently...
you don't show any insight as to the regional issues and how this bill relates to it...
.....China has a long history of using false charges to jail and silence political dissidents so you showing what charges they CAN use doesn't make much difference when the legal system is corrupt
Did you even look up why taiwan doesn't like the extradition bill?
have you done any research on Chinas history?
I'm really thinking you have not really followed politics in china and just hopped onto this HK issue recently...
you don't show any insight as to the regional issues and how this bill relates to it...
Tell me where you see political/religious crimes on this list.......
Murder or manslaughter, including criminal negligence causing death; culpable homicide; assault with intent to commit murder.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring suicide.
Maliciously wounding; maiming; inflicting grievous or actual bodily harm; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; threats to kill; intentional or reckless endangering of life whether by means of a weapon, a dangerous substance or otherwise; offences relating to unlawful wounding or injuring.
Offences of a sexual nature including rape; sexual assault; indecent assault; unlawful sexual acts on children; statutory sexual offences.
Gross indecency with a child, a mental defective or an unconscious person.
Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment; unlawful confinement; dealing or trafficking in slaves or other persons; taking a hostage.
Criminal intimidation.
Offences against the law relating to dangerous drugs including narcotics, psychotropic substances, precursors and essential chemicals used in the illegal manufacture of narcotics and psychotropic substances; offences relating to the proceeds of drug trafficking.
Obtaining property or pecuniary advantage by deception; theft; robbery; burglary (including breaking and entering); embezzlement; blackmail; extortion; unlawful handling or receiving of property; false accounting; any other offence in respect of property or fiscal matters involving fraud; any offence against the law relating to unlawful deprivation of property.
Offences relating to counterfeiting; offences against the law relating to forgery or uttering what is forged.
Offences against the law relating to bribery, corruption, secret commissions and breach of trust.
Perjury and subornation of perjury.
Offences relating to the perversion or obstruction of the course of justice.
Arson; criminal damage or mischief including mischief in relation to computer data.
Offences against the law relating to firearms.
Offences against the law relating to explosives.
Mutiny or any mutinous act committed on board a vessel at sea.
Piracy involving ships or aircraft.
Unlawful seizure or exercise of control of an aircraft or other means of transportation.
Genocide or direct and public incitement to commit genocide.
Facilitating or permitting the escape of a person from custody..
Smuggling; offences against the law relating to import and export of prohibited items, including historical and archaeological items.
Immigration offences including fraudulent acquisition or use of a passport or visa.
Arranging or facilitating for financial gain, the illegal entry of persons into a jurisdiction.
Offences relating to gambling or lotteries.
Offences relating to the unlawful termination of pregnancy.
Stealing, abandoning, exposing or unlawfully detaining a child; any other offences involving the exploitation of children.
Offences against the law relating to prostitution and premises kept for the purposes of prostitution.
Offences relating to unlawful escape from custody; mutiny in prison.
Bigamy.
Offences relating to women and girls.
Offences relating to the possession or laundering of proceeds obtained from the commission of any offence described in this Schedule.
Impeding the arrest or prosecution of a person who has or is believed to have committed an offence described in this Schedule.
Offences for which persons may be surrendered under multi-lateral international conventions; offences created as a result of decisions of international organizations.
Conspiracy to commit fraud or to defraud.
Conspiracy to commit, or any type of association to commit, any offence described in this Schedule.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring the commission of, inciting, being an accessory before or after the fact to, or attempting to commit an offence described in this Schedule.
Tell me where you see political/religious crimes on this list.......
Murder or manslaughter, including criminal negligence causing death; culpable homicide; assault with intent to commit murder.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring suicide.
Maliciously wounding; maiming; inflicting grievous or actual bodily harm; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; threats to kill; intentional or reckless endangering of life whether by means of a weapon, a dangerous substance or otherwise; offences relating to unlawful wounding or injuring.
Offences of a sexual nature including rape; sexual assault; indecent assault; unlawful sexual acts on children; statutory sexual offences.
Gross indecency with a child, a mental defective or an unconscious person.
Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment; unlawful confinement; dealing or trafficking in slaves or other persons; taking a hostage.
Criminal intimidation.
Offences against the law relating to dangerous drugs including narcotics, psychotropic substances, precursors and essential chemicals used in the illegal manufacture of narcotics and psychotropic substances; offences relating to the proceeds of drug trafficking.
Obtaining property or pecuniary advantage by deception; theft; robbery; burglary (including breaking and entering); embezzlement; blackmail; extortion; unlawful handling or receiving of property; false accounting; any other offence in respect of property or fiscal matters involving fraud; any offence against the law relating to unlawful deprivation of property.
Offences relating to counterfeiting; offences against the law relating to forgery or uttering what is forged.
Offences against the law relating to bribery, corruption, secret commissions and breach of trust.
Perjury and subornation of perjury.
Offences relating to the perversion or obstruction of the course of justice.
Arson; criminal damage or mischief including mischief in relation to computer data.
Offences against the law relating to firearms.
Offences against the law relating to explosives.
Mutiny or any mutinous act committed on board a vessel at sea.
Piracy involving ships or aircraft.
Unlawful seizure or exercise of control of an aircraft or other means of transportation.
Genocide or direct and public incitement to commit genocide.
Facilitating or permitting the escape of a person from custody..
Smuggling; offences against the law relating to import and export of prohibited items, including historical and archaeological items.
Immigration offences including fraudulent acquisition or use of a passport or visa.
Arranging or facilitating for financial gain, the illegal entry of persons into a jurisdiction.
Offences relating to gambling or lotteries.
Offences relating to the unlawful termination of pregnancy.
Stealing, abandoning, exposing or unlawfully detaining a child; any other offences involving the exploitation of children.
Offences against the law relating to prostitution and premises kept for the purposes of prostitution.
Offences relating to unlawful escape from custody; mutiny in prison.
Bigamy.
Offences relating to women and girls.
Offences relating to the possession or laundering of proceeds obtained from the commission of any offence described in this Schedule.
Impeding the arrest or prosecution of a person who has or is believed to have committed an offence described in this Schedule.
Offences for which persons may be surrendered under multi-lateral international conventions; offences created as a result of decisions of international organizations.
Conspiracy to commit fraud or to defraud.
Conspiracy to commit, or any type of association to commit, any offence described in this Schedule.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring the commission of, inciting, being an accessory before or after the fact to, or attempting to commit an offence described in this Schedule.
1. I already explained my position and the Taiwanese stance regarding the issue you brought up due to the larger context of their citizens safety in HK. I've already broken it down... your refusal to accept my answer is because you don't have any insight into the situation as a whole... you think this is just a HK issue.
2. Yes
3. your smileys don't reinforce your argument... you just use it to avoid actually responding to the facts I've brought up... You are more worried about "winning" an argument than actually learning about the issue at hand. You used Taiwan to support your opinion, and even Taiwan disagrees with you. This shows a lack of experience with the subject at hand
Murder or manslaughter, including criminal negligence causing death; culpable homicide; assault with intent to commit murder.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring suicide.
Maliciously wounding; maiming; inflicting grievous or actual bodily harm; assault occasioning actual bodily harm; threats to kill; intentional or reckless endangering of life whether by means of a weapon, a dangerous substance or otherwise; offences relating to unlawful wounding or injuring.
Offences of a sexual nature including rape; sexual assault; indecent assault; unlawful sexual acts on children; statutory sexual offences.
Gross indecency with a child, a mental defective or an unconscious person.
Kidnapping; abduction; false imprisonment; unlawful confinement; dealing or trafficking in slaves or other persons; taking a hostage.
Criminal intimidation.
Offences against the law relating to dangerous drugs including narcotics, psychotropic substances, precursors and essential chemicals used in the illegal manufacture of narcotics and psychotropic substances; offences relating to the proceeds of drug trafficking.
Obtaining property or pecuniary advantage by deception; theft; robbery; burglary (including breaking and entering); embezzlement; blackmail; extortion; unlawful handling or receiving of property; false accounting; any other offence in respect of property or fiscal matters involving fraud; any offence against the law relating to unlawful deprivation of property.
Offences relating to counterfeiting; offences against the law relating to forgery or uttering what is forged.
Offences against the law relating to bribery, corruption, secret commissions and breach of trust.
Perjury and subornation of perjury.
Offences relating to the perversion or obstruction of the course of justice.
Arson; criminal damage or mischief including mischief in relation to computer data.
Offences against the law relating to firearms.
Offences against the law relating to explosives.
Mutiny or any mutinous act committed on board a vessel at sea.
Piracy involving ships or aircraft.
Unlawful seizure or exercise of control of an aircraft or other means of transportation.
Genocide or direct and public incitement to commit genocide.
Facilitating or permitting the escape of a person from custody..
Smuggling; offences against the law relating to import and export of prohibited items, including historical and archaeological items.
Immigration offences including fraudulent acquisition or use of a passport or visa.
Arranging or facilitating for financial gain, the illegal entry of persons into a jurisdiction.
Offences relating to gambling or lotteries.
Offences relating to the unlawful termination of pregnancy.
Stealing, abandoning, exposing or unlawfully detaining a child; any other offences involving the exploitation of children.
Offences against the law relating to prostitution and premises kept for the purposes of prostitution.
Offences relating to unlawful escape from custody; mutiny in prison.
Bigamy.
Offences relating to women and girls.
Offences relating to the possession or laundering of proceeds obtained from the commission of any offence described in this Schedule.
Impeding the arrest or prosecution of a person who has or is believed to have committed an offence described in this Schedule.
Offences for which persons may be surrendered under multi-lateral international conventions; offences created as a result of decisions of international organizations.
Conspiracy to commit fraud or to defraud.
Conspiracy to commit, or any type of association to commit, any offence described in this Schedule.
Aiding, abetting, counseling or procuring the commission of, inciting, being an accessory before or after the fact to, or attempting to commit an offence described in this Schedule.
Also in July, a Chongqing court sentenced political cartoonist Jiang Yefei to six-and-a-half years in prison for “subversion of state power” and “illegally crossing a national border.”
In March, a Yunnan court sentenced Christian pastor John Sanqiang Cao to seven years in prison for “organizing others to illegally cross the border” between China and Myanmar. Cao had been involved in educational projects for impoverished minority groups in Myanmar.
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