Hot Take: New Cavs Unit >>> Retaining Kyrie
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Ben.
Heisenbrook
THIS, Although I ain't getting all excited until we see them in the playoffs. The wins over Boston and OKC are nice though especially since almost two weeks ago OKC hung almost 150 on our head.
Rigby.
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I wouldnt say that, he was the Lakers second or third best player this season, and his scoring has been at his best in a good minute with their shyt spacing and sets. I dont see why his game couldnt maintain a 12-14 PPG with him basically being asked to do the same shyt from @ the Lakers.
SuperPawgHunter
Banned
Let me tell you guys this:
In general, most players production dip the deeper you go into the playoffs. In the Finals? Even a lot of stars average less and are less efficient.
Kyrie Irving's scoring and efficiency ALWAYS increased in the Finals, relative to the season. Steph Curry and Klay's production always go down in terms of scoring and efficiency.
Having Kyrie was a perfect fit for Lebron, because he was someone that could give you no. 1 option numbers, who also was capable of playing off of Lebron. That has proven to be a not so easy thing to do.
Lebron has brought in a bunch of role players. How will they fare in post-season when defenses become a lot tougher to score against, and Lebron doesn't have that no. 2 guy to put a lot of pressure on defenses?
I'm not saying those guys can't and won't perform - but if none of those guys are elite scorers during the regular season, they're damn sure not going to be elite deep in the playoffs.
In general, most players production dip the deeper you go into the playoffs. In the Finals? Even a lot of stars average less and are less efficient.
Kyrie Irving's scoring and efficiency ALWAYS increased in the Finals, relative to the season. Steph Curry and Klay's production always go down in terms of scoring and efficiency.
Having Kyrie was a perfect fit for Lebron, because he was someone that could give you no. 1 option numbers, who also was capable of playing off of Lebron. That has proven to be a not so easy thing to do.
Lebron has brought in a bunch of role players. How will they fare in post-season when defenses become a lot tougher to score against, and Lebron doesn't have that no. 2 guy to put a lot of pressure on defenses?
I'm not saying those guys can't and won't perform - but if none of those guys are elite scorers during the regular season, they're damn sure not going to be elite deep in the playoffs.
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
was a 1a 1b situation.. with LBJ having the edge.. it was taylor made for Kyrie to take as his matchup was a midget and the a guy who cant score...
but Kyrie came alive
SuperPawgHunter
Banned
...and I saw a dude said Kyrie is good, but not special?
lol.
Nobody is saying Kyrie is the GOAT ....
...BUT there ain't but a handful of nikkas in the HISTORY of the NBA who can shoot from the mid-range and deep like Kyrie, WITH ARGUABLY the greatest handle of all-time, and the ability to finish around the rim to the degree that he does. On top of ALL THAT, he doesn't shrink on the big stage. He clearly craves it.
You think THAT is easy to replace?
nikkas out here sipping on distilled hot dog water.
lol.
Nobody is saying Kyrie is the GOAT ....
...BUT there ain't but a handful of nikkas in the HISTORY of the NBA who can shoot from the mid-range and deep like Kyrie, WITH ARGUABLY the greatest handle of all-time, and the ability to finish around the rim to the degree that he does. On top of ALL THAT, he doesn't shrink on the big stage. He clearly craves it.
You think THAT is easy to replace?
nikkas out here sipping on distilled hot dog water.
SuperPawgHunter
Banned
The only reason Kyrie doesn't get more love, is because he is clearly not obsessed with numbers. He goes out and plays the game.
If he like Lebron, trying to gobble up every stat he could, his numbers would look different. First of all, he'd be averaging a heck of a lot more. Furthermore, dude actually has VERY good passing skills. He just doesn't put much emphasis on his number, and I do think that will hurt his legacy. He got all the tools to be a highly productive offensive player, but he lacks the motor to be that guy night in and night out.
If he like Lebron, trying to gobble up every stat he could, his numbers would look different. First of all, he'd be averaging a heck of a lot more. Furthermore, dude actually has VERY good passing skills. He just doesn't put much emphasis on his number, and I do think that will hurt his legacy. He got all the tools to be a highly productive offensive player, but he lacks the motor to be that guy night in and night out.
He's perfect for the Wade role, the guy they didn't have last year. Someone who can run the offense and get buckets when the starters are on the bench, so the team doesn't crash every time Lebron sits.
Hill/JR/Hood/Korver are all better shooters than him, so I don't see him getting the most critical minutes with the 1st unit, but if he hits his shots and plays hard on defense, who knows?
First Asian baller to play in the NBA Finals?
Let' appreciate that lockdown defense by Love
LeBron wouldn't ever be down 3-1 with the new guysReason why LeBron doesn’t have 4 Rings? = Kyrie Got hurt in 2015
Reason why LeBron got 3 Rings and Came Back from a 3-1 Deficit = Kyrie Irving amazing Performance.
Don’t Forget Game 5 he scored 41 Points like LeBron
He Outplayed League MVP Steph Curry
And let’s not Forget that he took the shot LeBron was afraid to take in Game 7.
None of them “New Guys” scoring 41 and none of them will have the testicular fortitude to take that winning shot.
Sk3ptical
alhamdulillah
What about the clutch block by the king.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Kyrie, scoring average not being present in that final round at that time.
means a block just occurred when bron was getting routinely blown out if kyrie was not there.
I could see if bron galvanized kyrie and gave him some large realm of up tick in skill and play. When kyrie did not get that from bron. Kyrie came to the dance off his pops second gen genetics and hot rod Strickland being his godfather level of skill and execution. So trying to play this whole lebron is responsible for ramping kyrie is a lie. Kyrie was already actualized in his space and came back three times from knee injury and was better each time. So, bron can not claim to have ramped kyrie. Kyrie stands as equals with lebron, in Cleveland after bron traded away Wiggins. Plus, kyrie performed in the wake of injury. Then came back to hit the shot, afterwards the next opportunity.
Plus kyrie, has more pedigree in actual bball IQ knowledge and execution of that knowledge.
Simply because he was an injured fly on the wall.
Who went unaffected in ferocity when injured at duke.
So, yeah the block was there. Yet bron created the narrative for golden state to even exist. When bron traded away the most pedigreed backcourt in NBA history from being selfish. Plus admitting from his actions he is incapable of being a true leader and galvanizing a group with similar matching pedigree to his in more than one player on roster.
So bron created why the block had to take place. That, we can not give it as much credence, as kyrie and the shot.
Art Barr
Sk3ptical
alhamdulillah
I AM WARHOL
Veteran
Reminds me of the old cavs lebron teams that were great in the regular season tbh. He needs that other dude who can take over. Kevin love is a better number 2 than he ever had back then but I think he needs that wing star next to him to win it all. Like these dudes are nice but these nikkas aint stars. You cant count on them to show up in the playoffs. These dudes are about to go Playoff Mo Williams and its gonna be back to the "Bron needs more help!!!
" narrative
" narrative
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
You see facts you don't wanna face in my post.
To the point this little reply is you running scared and not addressing the facts. This is all deflection from you.
Art Barr
Trade away a three peat breh.
Trade away the most pedigreed backcourt in NBA history, breh.
Be the choosen one, but choose not to ramp the most pedigreed backcourt in NBA history, breh.