How Belgium Became a Terrorism Hotbed

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How Belgium Became a Terrorism Hotbed
How Belgium Became a Terrorism Hotbed

As the race to discover how terrorists managed to carry out such devastating attacks in Paris continues, the focus has shifted to France’s little neighbor, Belgium, as a hotbed of terrorist conspiracies. And this isn't the first time.

Today the Belgian authorities announced two of the identified terrorists involved in the Paris attacks were French citizens living in Belgium. They are part of a trio of brothers. The first, called Ibrahim Abdelslam, killed himself in Paris using an explosive belt. A second was arrested by the Belgian police in Molenbeek, a multi-ethnic neighborhood in central Brussels. He is being questioned and it is uncertain if he was involved. The third is Salah Abdelslam, 26, who is on the run with an international arrest warrant issued for him. “There is a link to Molenbeek,” Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel said. “We are focused on prevention but we need to act repressively, too.”

The prime minister promised the Belgian people extra measures against jihadists returning to Belgium from the Syrian and Iraqi battlefields. Knowing the scale of the Belgian problem, implementing the right measures is paramount, not just for the Belgians themselves but also for their neighboring countries.

With increasing frequency, links are uncovered between jihadist operations and Belgian terrorist cells, raising serious questions about the Belgian government’s ability to deal with terrorists who use the country for recruiting and support networks.

Belgium, wedged in between Germany, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, and France, has brought forth a disproportionate amount of jihadists. “The maximum number of Belgians who at one point were active in Syria or Iraq has climbed to 516,” Belgian Arabist and author Pieter van Ostaeyen said on his blog last month. Van Ostayen has been keeping a close eye on developments within Belgian minority groups vulnerable to radicalization. The number of jihadists, put into context, becomes quite alarming. “This number means that out of Belgium’s Muslim population of about 640,000 individuals, there is roughly one per 1,260 who has been involved in jihad in Syria and Iraq. At this point Belgium is, per capita, by far the European nation contributing the most to the foreign element in the Syrian war.”

Belgium is a small country with, sometimes, big problems. It even went without a cohesive government for a record 541 days in 2010 and 2011. Being a largely divided Flemish/French-speaking society to begin with, it had problems integrating its newcomers. Its second- and third- generation immigrants on average made little socio-economic progress, or had little chance to do so. Meanwhile, the security services in the city of Brussels have another significant issue: for a population of 1.3 million inhabitants, the local police force is divided up in six police corps spread over 19 boroughs. Sharing security information in that setting could only be complicated.

In connection to Friday’s attacks in Paris, seven suspects were arrested in that Brussels municipality of St Jans Molenbeek on Saturday. “In the direct surroundings of one of the attacks, specifically the Bataclan, a Belgian vehicle was found, with Belgian registration, which had been rented in Belgium,” federal police spokesperson Eric van der Sypt said on Belgian National News. “Based on that information we were able to do the searches and make the arrests.”

According to the Belgian press, inside the car a parking ticket for Molenbeek was found. Yesterday and today, house searches took place in the area. Near a subway station (Ossegem) the Belgian police blocked off a street and special forces searched a car. One suspect who tried to escape was chased, stopped, and arrested.

The person who rented one of the cars used in the Paris attacks was seen crossing the French border yesterday morning. French Public prosecutor François Molins told the press: “We know the car was rented by a French man who lived in Belgium. This morning the man was checked at the Belgian border, in another car, so not the Seat nor the Polo in which two other persons were present, who also lived in Brussels.”

Those men reportedly were arrested by the Belgian police later that day in connection to the Paris attacks. One of the men is said to be the brother of the man who rented the car and is an ex-Syria jihadist and he too rented a car that may be have been used in the Friday attacks.

When one puts into a timeline the number of attacks in Western Europe over the past year and their relation to Belgium, it becomes apparent just how much of an outsized role the country is playing.

• On the 24th of May 2014: Attack on the Jewish museum in the Belgian capital of Brussels leaves four killed: an Israeli couple, a French and a Belgian employee of the museum were shot dead by French ex-Syria jihadist Mehdi Nemmouche.

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• On the 13th of January 2015 the weapons used in the Charlie Hebdo attack of Jan. 7 were traced back to the Brussels train station Bruxelles Midi, where they had reportedly been bought from a local arms trader by Amedy Coulibaly who committed an attack on a Jewish supermarket days later, on Jan. 9.

• On the evening of the 14th of January, Belgian police searched several houses in the boroughs of Verviers, unrelated to the recent Paris attacks. They arrested a group that had planned terrorist attacks in Belgium, federal police spokesperson Eric van der Sypt said. “During the search warrant in Verviers, certain suspects immediately opened fire with automatic weapons at the special police forces, they opened fire for several minutes before being neutralized. Two of the suspects were killed, a third one was arrested.”

The suspects were known jihadists who had returned from Syria in the previous month. The Belgian secret service believed they were about to carry out an attack on a police station and called in special forces.

• On the 23rd of August, the man who tried to commit a terrorist attack on board the Thalys train says he found his Kalashnikoff and the ammunition in a park near Brussels Midi. The Moroccan Ayoub El Kahzzani got on the train at the Brussels station and initiated the attack shortly afterward.

• On Friday the 13th of November at least two French terrorists living in Brussels traveled to Paris to cause carnage in the heart of the city. The killing spree took the life of at least 129 and injured hundreds.

To pinpoint the exact reasons why Belgium and more specifically the borough of Molenbeek is heading the charts when it comes to jihadism, is difficult to say. After all, The Netherlands, along Belgium's northern border, has relatively large numbers of jihadists, too.

But the fact that Molenbeek is a poor and socially isolated area certainly doesn't help. Some parliamentary members call Molenbeek mono-cultural, because it predominantly has inhabitants of Moroccan descent. But a contributing factor in monitoring different “risk groups” in Brussels could be its scattered police force.

In international relations, especially with the French, it may call into question the sense of free and unguarded travel for Europeans cross border, as the repercussions could be fast and furious.
 

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Not a bad report. That area has been like that for more than ten years but no one knows what happens in Brussels outside of the EU-bubble.
 

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Until Europeans deal with the systemic discrimination they afflict on these muslim CITIZENS, they'll keep on having these problems. Those kids are poor, angry and vulnerable, so radical Islamists prey on them. They're easy-pickings.
We're not talking about recent immigrants here: these are 3rd-generation folks whose grandparents were brought to Europe to rebuild the continent as cheap labor after WW2 (from former euro colonies btw).
Europeans still view them as foreigners, not citizens. So they keep them into ghettos and discriminate against them... No wonder so many well-educated European Muslims try to get jobs in Britain (which is somewhat more diverse/open-minded compared to the rest of continental Europe).
The concept of a non-white European is still hard to grasp for a lot of people there (same applies to regular blacks)

Sending troops to the middle-east and bombing ISIS won't solve the inherent problem, which is purely societal and internal.:beli:
 
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Until Europeans deal with the systemic discrimination they afflict on these muslim CITIZENS, they'll keep on having these problems. Those kids are vulnerable and radical Islamists prey on them. They're easy-pickings.
We're not talking about recent immigrants here: these are 3rd-generation folks whose grandparents were brought to Europe to rebuild the continent as cheap labor after WW2 (from former euro colonies btw).
Europeans still view them as foreigners, not citizens. So they keep them into ghettos and discriminate against them... No wonder so many well-educated European Muslims try to get jobs in Britain (which is somewhat more diverse/open-minded compared to the rest of continental Europe).
The concept of a non-white European is still hard to grasp for a lot of people there.
Sending troops to the middle-east and bombing ISIS won't solve the inherent problem, which is purely societal and internal.:beli:

You're partly right.

Molenbeek was not built as a "ghetto". It was an area for those who worked in nearby factories, all of which closed in the 70s. Before migrants from Morocco or Turkey, it was Italians, Spaniards, POrtuguese migrants living there, just like Belgian workers. Thing is those people got a little richer and moved out as the factories were closing.

Problem is, moroccan migrants got there while the local economy was already crumbling down and moving towards services. Being mostly lower-educated migrants, they didn't benefit from the same social mobility as previous migrants did.

Concerning the "ghetto" aspect : there are other cheap areas in Brussels/Belgium where people could (and do) move out. Forest, Saint-Gilles, Anderlecht, Schaerbeek, Saint-Josse. Thing is is that over the course of time the first migrants brought their wife, then had kids, then an uncle came, then a nephew...basically a whole community was re-created. So while the Belgian state def does not invest enough there, people who live there don't necessarily want to move out either. Poverty plays a role, but no one is stopping anyone from going to another area of Brussels that is just as cheap. Saint-Josse for example is actually poorer than Molenbeek but is much closer to center and extremely diverse so the "ghetto" feeling is weaker.
 

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This is "multiculturalism" at work, you arent helping people by supposedly respecting their culture, and multilingualism is inherently unstable to a country
 

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This is "multiculturalism" at work, you arent helping people by supposedly respecting their culture, and multilingualism is inherently unstable to a country

Most countries in the world are "multicultural", whether it is an actual political choice or not. Same with multilingualism, some country are officialy multilingual, but most are multilingual de facto (and the majority of people living in Brussels and in Moleenbeek speak french anyway).
 

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Most countries in the world are "multicultural", whether it is an actual political choice or not. Same with multilingualism, some country are officialy multilingual, but most are multilingual de facto (and the majority of people living in Brussels and in Moleenbeek speak french anyway).
no...most countries aren't

Your talking like...Brazil, USA, a few Western European ones...and thats it.

MOST of the world is really homogenous.
 

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No, do you?

This myth of the world being multicultural is an outright lie...of course theres "minorities" everywhere, but most of the world is strictly drawn amongst lines of ethnic majorities.

China, India, African, and Asian countries all have ethnic, language, cultural, and or tribal variety internally. European countries now have migrants from the world over. White European are a mixture from the surviving tribes that intermingled. You sound like a dumb hick.

:mjlol:
 

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no...most countries aren't

Your talking like...Brazil, USA, a few Western European ones...and thats it.

MOST of the world is really homogenous.

Almost every single African country is multicultural and multilingual, precisely because the vast majority of borders were NOT drawn along ethnic realities. India, China are (China central regime has been trying to make it monocultural for years now). Damn near all of the problems in the Middle-East come precisely of its diversity (ethnic, linguistic, and religious -including diversity within Islam-).
 

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Most countries in the world are "multicultural", whether it is an actual political choice or not. Same with multilingualism, some country are officialy multilingual, but most are multilingual de facto (and the majority of people living in Brussels and in Moleenbeek speak french anyway).

Hmm, so what's your point?

There are degrees to multiculturalism and multilingualism and My point is that the more multicultural and more multilingual a country is the more unstable and ungovernable it is
 

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Almost every single African country is multicultural and multilingual, precisely because the vast majority of borders were NOT drawn along ethnic realities. India, China are (China central regime has been trying to make it monocultural for years now). Damn near all of the problems in the Middle-East come precisely of its diversity (ethnic, linguistic, and religious -including diversity within Islam-).

And a lot of those African countries have trouble with governance because of that
 

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Hmm, so what's your point?

There are degrees to multiculturalism and multilingualism and My point is that the more multicultural and more multilingual a country is the more unstable and ungovernable it is

My point is that damn near the whole world is multicultural, yet you don't see terrorists or whatever everywhere. The equation you make is intellectually lazy.

Is Switzerland unstable and ungovernable? Cameroon? Senegal? Luxemburg? India? Spain?
 

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Almost every single African country is multicultural and multilingual, precisely because the vast majority of borders were NOT drawn along ethnic realities. India, China are (China central regime has been trying to make it monocultural for years now). Damn near all of the problems in the Middle-East come precisely of its diversity (ethnic, linguistic, and religious -including diversity within Islam-).

IDK why yall continue to entertain this clueless fukk :laff:
 
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