How can you progressives co-sign hip-hop?

[Camile.Bidan]

I was listening to a lot of hip-hop on Sunday. Mainly, the first two JEdi mind tricks albums, which I liked a lot when I was a kid. and the first Big L album, which I listened to for the first time ever. I don't know how I missed that one when I was kid, that Big L album is hard as hell.


There is so much racism and homo-bashing in hip-hop.

Frankly, I am surprised a bunch of white guys(JMT) are allowed to say so many anti-Semitic lyrics.

From the JMT albums, I heard lyrics like
"Guilty like the Jews and crucifixion of Jesus"

"Those synagogues of satan will burn down at my feet"

"Those heathens in new Jerusalem"

there were was also anti-homosexual lyrics such as

"unnatural like sex between fagg3ts"


The Big L album was littered with violence and homo-bashing.
"Danger ZOne", which is my favorite song so far, contains lyrics describing senseless murder and rape.

Doesn't this music go totally against the virtues of progressivism?

 

[kingofnyc]

itz only entertainment -hov

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

So what? We are living embodiments of the dichotomy of man. The jungian thing. It's sorta like how you hate black people yet spend so much time posting in black forums. Maybe when you get some time after reading st0rmfr0nt threads you can learn about Carl Jung.

 

[CHL]

How can you be half black yet be a self-hating racist acting as if you're completely asian?

 

[Kitsch]

Where is the racism?

 

[CHL]

Big L and "Jedi mind tricks" are the face of 2010's hip hop....




This troll doesn't even know anyone you might want to start with artists who 1. are alive and 2. are relevant in any way; before you launch into your rant

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Demand that your entertainment lines up 100% with your ideologies and values like you're a 16 year old, brehs.

 

[Gains]

I was listening to a lot of hip-hop on Sunday. Mainly, the first two JEdi mind tricks albums, which I liked a lot when I was a kid. and the first Big L album, which I listened to for the first time ever. I don't know how I missed that one when I was kid, that Big L album is hard as hell.


There is so much racism and homo-bashing in hip-hop.

Frankly, I am surprised a bunch of white guys(JMT) are allowed to say so many anti-Semitic lyrics.

From the JMT albums, I heard lyrics like
"Guilty like the Jews and crucifixion of Jesus"

"Those synagogues of satan will burn down at my feet"

"Those heathens in new Jerusalem"

there were was also anti-homosexual lyrics such as

"unnatural like sex between fagg3ts"


The Big L album was littered with violence and homo-bashing.
"Danger ZOne", which is my favorite song so far, contains lyrics describing senseless murder and rape.

Doesn't this music go totally against the virtues of progressivism?

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

So you want censorship?

Do you also nitpick @ the movies and books you read for offensive content.

Hollywood still finds a "reason" to through the word n!gger around on screen every year. Where are your protests?

 

[CHL]

Look at these thugs

















Disgraceful right? They must be really oppressively violent and very anti-progressive IRL. Especially thug number 1 Drake, a well known racist and anti-semite. And this is just some of many examples.

 

[Anno Domini]

I was listening to a lot of hip-hop on Sunday. Mainly, the first two JEdi mind tricks albums, which I liked a lot when I was a kid. and the first Big L album, which I listened to for the first time ever. I don't know how I missed that one when I was kid, that Big L album is hard as hell.


There is so much racism and homo-bashing in hip-hop.

Frankly, I am surprised a bunch of white guys(JMT) are allowed to say so many anti-Semitic lyrics.

From the JMT albums, I heard lyrics like
"Guilty like the Jews and crucifixion of Jesus"

"Those synagogues of satan will burn down at my feet"

"Those heathens in new Jerusalem"

there were was also anti-homosexual lyrics such as

"unnatural like sex between fagg3ts"


The Big L album was littered with violence and homo-bashing.
"Danger ZOne", which is my favorite song so far, contains lyrics describing senseless murder and rape.

Doesn't this music go totally against the virtues of progressivism?

You do make a fair point. There is a lot offensive material in Hip hop and I think it's okay to criticize it for that. However if people stopped comsuming media that was offensive to some, I think it's safe to say there would be no media left to consume at all.

Damn, I just finished watching Zeta a few days ago too

 

[Camile.Bidan]

Demand that your entertainment lines up 100% with your ideologies and values like you're a 16 year old, brehs.

I prefer violence, controversy and adult topics in movies and music. I believe people should say whatever they want.

But that's not the progressive ideal. The progressive ideal is total censorship. It started with chumps like al gore and his wife, who tried to censor all music in early 90s and other idiots like joe Lieberman, who tried to take-out mortal kombat. Now, it has ballooned into this crazy SWJ monitored world where comedians are afraid to do stand-up routines and there are no more cool R-rated movies.


Didn't Nas say something like "my style style switches like a fagg0t" on half-time? The word fakkit is nearly worse than n-word. I just don't understand how hardcore hip-hop fans can also be a part of this new PC warrior progressive army that we have now.

I mean my favorite hip-hop albums are stuff like "Dark is hell and hell is hot", "the infamous", "only built for CL", broths lynch's "Season of the sickness", three 6 mafia's "the end". These types of dark, adult themed albums would never be popular in today's world, yet all these albums were certified gold or platinum in the 90s.

 

[Camile.Bidan]

You do make a fair point. There is a lot offensive material in Hip hop and I think it's okay to criticize it for that. However if people stopped comsuming media that was offensive to some, I think it's safe to say there would be no media left to consume at all.



Damn, I just finished watching Zeta a few days ago too

Yeah shame what they did to char's character in Char's counter attack. stories don't risks let Zeta anymore

 

[Camile.Bidan]

Disgraceful right? They must be really oppressively violent and very anti-progressive IRL. Especially thug number 1 Drake, a well known racist and anti-semite. And this is just some of many examples.

I am insulted that you suggested that I even listen to all the trash you put in that post. I am aware of drake, meek mill, and Flo rida. However, that music is not on my radar when I use the word hip-hop. I have actually never listened to any of those artists unless I was in the car with my wife who listens to the radio occasionally.

Only music I can listen to is 2010s is stuff like GBE or 300 squad, King lil jay, lil herb, Xavier wulf, and other random mixtapes.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

But that's not the progressive ideal. The progressive ideal is total censorship. It started with chumps like al gore and his wife, who tried to censor all music in early 90s and other idiots like joe Lieberman, who tried to take-out mortal kombat. Now, it has ballooned into this crazy SWJ monitored world where comedians are afraid to do stand-up routines and there are no more cool R-rated movies.


Didn't Nas say something like "my style style switches like a fagg0t" on half-time? The word fakkit is nearly worse than n-word. I just don't understand how hardcore hip-hop fans can also be a part of this new PC warrior progressive army that we have now.

I mean my favorite hip-hop albums are stuff like "Dark is hell and hell is hot", "the infamous", "only built for CL", broths lynch's "Season of the sickness", three 6 mafia's "the end". These types of dark, adult themed albums would never be popular in today's world, yet all these albums were certified gold or platinum in the 90s.

Yeah, because conservatives have never tried to stifle entertainment/images/media based on "objectional" content or a perceived conflict with their set of values. This 'progressive ideal' you're talking about is not a universal belief among people who are left of you on the political spectrum.

Anyway, it's a mixed bag. I believe that we can make art and entertainment that is beautiful (even dark art) without childish invective or slurs like "fakkit", does saying fakkit make Halftime a good song? Not really, it's the overall wordplay, the beat, the aesthetic. At the same time, I dislike the hyperobsession that some liberals seem to have with tone policing content. I see their argument, because on some level our entertainment highly dictates our values and perceptions on several issues. What I don't like is that some of this critique ignores the context of the 'offensive' material in question, and or is essentially just simplistic finger pointing at the usage of a word/image devoid of any nuance.