How did Lloyd Banks go from Powerful Charisma to Zero Charisma?

[IronFist]

up

 

[Tunez]

Banks smoked too much his voice fcked up

 

[drugxglory]

dude sounds like he's got a dikk stuck in his throat

 

[The_Third_Man]

People don't understand the difference between having a laid back flow and no charisma. Just because you scream on every song, it doesn't make you charismatic.
does Rakim and Gza have no charisma?

beside, the TS linked one random song that doesn't define Banks old delivery/flow.

This's the song/freestyle that blew Banks up:

 

[Tunez]

People don't understand the difference between having a laid back flow and no charisma. Just because you scream on every song, it doesn't make you charismatic.
does Rakim and Gza have no charisma?

beside, the TS linked one random song that doesn't define Banks old delivery/flow.

This's the song/freestyle that blew Banks up:

I pray to this freestyle every night before I go to sleep

 

[ZEupTWN]

I know some of Lloyd's people and its straight up Lack of motivation.....the success and money came early......he set himself and his fam to eat good for years, what else is there to work for in this crap shoot game........He still dropping hot verses, mixtapes are still dope and the last album he dropped was decent, he just dont want it bad enough.......

 

[HARLEM AL]

I like the new banks better. nikka be spitting.

Problem is his voice has changed.

 

[Art Barr]

the only incarnation of banks delivery that was actually worth using consistently song to song.
was his pac/biggie biter meld flow voice.
which was employed one time expertly and one time only on grodt's Eminem featured don't push me.

[which also, features one of fiddy's worst verses, which was a pac lift. it works excellently on the hook. except, fiddy was in the technical downgrade.
required to spit cleanly and clearly to sell.
while, also melding expertly with dre's production and sonic soundscapes for an east coast artist.
although fiddy never made it back to his original technical base rhymes wise.
he lifted from mase on pod.
which was built on internal canceling mechanism rhyme style.
to handle his inability to wordsmith on a level consistently for that technical base.
which is why the pac lift bite era sold more.
later on though,..if fiddy would have ramped his skillset back up from a technical base standard wise.
he would never have lost his draw.
if he expertly melded the pac, mase jiggy flow together consistently as banks does on don't push me.

plus, fiddy would have better defended himself lyrically.
battling, over a longer period of time, opponent to opponent.
in, larger and longer volumes in every category of emcee'n.
with no possible fall off, skillwise..
which could have eliminated fiddy from leveling off and falling off from the sheer volume of music.
he made to run himself out of ink. right into the problems that plagued pac, in the hennessy/enemy rhyme crutch phase era pac had.
in the case of Lloyd banks,...banks succeeds at the technical standards better than anyone actively in rap on the eastcoast not named jada, styles, and cam.
who come from a former plat drawing ny mixtape contingent of still active artist.
who are credible as technical marvels and emcees, of this content type.]



after that,....you never got that same actual high quality vocal tone version of banks, ever again.
which for the him, was his best delivery type.
although it was built on a bite.
it works for gangsta rap as a draw, because of the pac influence.
on top of the mixing and actual x's and o's were from dre, engineering.
so, it worked in the deathrow/dre gangsta rap family tree for a ny artist on interscope/aftermath/shady.
where it did not look bad to the gateway gangsta rap fan.

nor, was it out of character for the label to have an artist.
that was a throwback to a past former label mate's large drawing era.

so, a guy who sounded like pac, with a big flow and delivery mix on interscope worked for banks.
to gain attention,..so, this pac/biggie bite I did not negatively rate past biting.
simply cause when it comes biting,..this was as good a meld as you got.
especially, in comparison to max b's similar attempts to do the same delivery type and convert in an actual real deal and release skillwise, as an artist...
who directly descended on the label where components of this style bite originate from.

bank's most consistently employed flows are the same mush mouth mase offkey whine to wifey about my problems emo jiggy shyt, that him and fab are accused of.
that some people would and should call the basis for platinum selling swag rap.
evident by young joc,..
using the mase/ti mix flow for his sales explosion before his pr expsore destroyed his draw from oversaturation, and no cultural connection to adhere to.
to save the questionable use of the mase technical standard, in a southern incarnation mixed with the best moments of ti impersonations.

the mase formula,....
which is always piss poor, when it comes to convincability.
on top of actual, clarity and enunciation because it is dated on a mush mouth retard slowbus pop jiggy mase flow.
that is still flawed, to this very day and the future.
no matter who tries to dust it off, and use it.

it only worked for mase, because of sensationalism from biggie's death.
if that never happened,...
mase would have never had the opportunity to build a strictly pop rap fanbase and gateway.

once...
the neighborhood turned on mase, from his social reckless antics.
plus the tranny thing was all pr'd.
it took away any type of convincability, that style could have been used.
to add on or equal the draw of a mase debut solo.
meaning,...yeah, you can draw a half a fraction what mase did at his first selling envelopes height.
yet, you will not......and will not, ever.
be able to equal or outdo the sales output of mase, using his formula.
on top of creating, the conversation of your connectin to the culture.
when you need the culture to help you as a technical standard based emcee.
the likes of mase's eight is enough big L/finesse family tree features as standard.
once, you deviate from that audience.
you have no one who is a general rap fan.
to champion that standard base by word of mouth as a draw.
all because the surprise hustle of mase switching completely up.
to pull the jiggywood mason Hogan heel turn, for nwo and his debut.
on his past contingent of underground fans from 8isenough/coc.
cultivating only new gateway rap fans who were noob sentimentalist to the death of big.

so, the wool is pulled off the surprise draw for that type of delivery.

which is why I feel mase, banks, and fab need to go find clearer and cleaner enunciation, and delivery.
for their standard technical standard base rhymes as emcees, who sell their work, professionally.
in this day and age....the glass ceiling was shattered.
when it comes to having to possibly bite big/pac.
or what would soon become the entire antics and use of having no actual skillset to speak of as a performer like diddy.
or some branch of their family tree character/flow wise.
in the history of their highest draw as a controversial gangsta rapper.

I feel all of ny should embrace more advanced technical bases and more developed and pocketed flows that are on key.
ny should be making the most advanced, but accessible brand of music.
yet, since they embraced jiggydom.
plus, overran themselves with toys.
by failing to properly pull cards and police themselves, culturally.
which later became an entire issue on the coast as far as business and the culture.
to the point,..i don't know if ny will ever evolve their base standard model, of the jiggy era rap wise.
where the rappers only emulated the top spitters from that borough.
yet, never progressed style-wise, or in actual emcee'n.
all because the general rapper from each borough.
failed to abandon the ideal to copy what was currently a draw from their borough in the sales spike era.
on top of a loss, of sheer population of bboy/bgirls to the rocafeller laws as well.
so, there was no mass amount of bboys/bgirls in ny that were culturally aware enough to provide a sensible revolt or resolve.
to the worse than dj Hollywood and sugarhill level of bullshyt nwo and jiggywood betha hogun provided.
plus, it stagnated the creativity, and output of dope records volumes wise from the mecca.

fab/mase/banks could all benefit. from this current two decade old retro retread of the styles era of rap.
that was usher out in 1993.
solidly as the highest drawing genre type of rap for gangsta rap, as the top draw.
which is now given buzz words like the swag era.




art barr

 

[You Win Perfect]

Yo can you break it down for us "average rap fans" then instead of just being dismissive? You're basically just saying you liked his voice better back then, right? Or am I missing something? SMH at "charisma" being some kind of technical category you can measure empirically.

I've never been a huge Banks fan, but personally I think back then he was mad generic sounding and now his style got a lot more distinctiveness/character to it.

i agree he was a bit generic/regular sounding back then. He definitely has progressed by miles. His songs are more catchy and energetic.
I don't know what OP is talkin about. nikka sound the same to me. On this particular track he was just raising his voice more.

 

[WSFGDan]

SMH banks discussed this he was he can't rap like that because it was hurting his voice, just like Game stopped doubling up his vocals. They were copying Pac 's techniques

 

[Pinyapplesuckas]

i miss when he used the lower voice and harmonized better. now he just hells and his voice sounds like he has throat cancer or something...nikka sounding 60 and he's like 30.

 

[Truality]

he raps lighter and doesn't project his voice as much as the first clip posted in here

reason being is for flow on the newer type beats and more advanced raps

thats why his vox are layered more too to thicken it up

 

[NSSVO]

the only incarnation of banks delivery that was actually worth using consistently song to song.
was his pac/biggie biter meld flow voice.
which was employed one time expertly and one time only on grodt's Eminem featured don't push me.

[which also, features one of fiddy's worst verses, which was a pac lift. it works excellently on the hook. except, fiddy was in the technical downgrade.
required to spit cleanly and clearly to sell.
while, also melding expertly with dre's production and sonic soundscapes for an east coast artist.
although fiddy never made it back to his original technical base rhymes wise.
he lifted from mase on pod.
which was built on internal canceling mechanism rhyme style.
to handle his inability to wordsmith on a level consistently for that technical base.
which is why the pac lift bite era sold more.
later on though,..if fiddy would have ramped his skillset back up from a technical base standard wise.
he would never have lost his draw.
if he expertly melded the pac, mase jiggy flow together consistently as banks does on don't push me.

plus, fiddy would have better defended himself lyrically.
battling, over a longer period of time, opponent to opponent.
in, larger and longer volumes in every category of emcee'n.
with no possible fall off, skillwise..
which could have eliminated fiddy from leveling off and falling off from the sheer volume of music.
he made to run himself out of ink. right into the problems that plagued pac, in the hennessy/enemy rhyme crutch phase era pac had.
in the case of Lloyd banks,...banks succeeds at the technical standards better than anyone actively in rap on the eastcoast not named jada, styles, and cam.
who come from a former plat drawing ny mixtape contingent of still active artist.
who are credible as technical marvels and emcees, of this content type.]



after that,....you never got that same actual high quality vocal tone version of banks, ever again.
which for the him, was his best delivery type.
although it was built on a bite.
it works for gangsta rap as a draw, because of the pac influence.
on top of the mixing and actual x's and o's were from dre, engineering.
so, it worked in the deathrow/dre gangsta rap family tree for a ny artist on interscope/aftermath/shady.
where it did not look bad to the gateway gangsta rap fan.

nor, was it out of character for the label to have an artist.
that was a throwback to a past former label mate's large drawing era.

so, a guy who sounded like pac, with a big flow and delivery mix on interscope worked for banks.
to gain attention,..so, this pac/biggie bite I did not negatively rate past biting.
simply cause when it comes biting,..this was as good a meld as you got.
especially, in comparison to max b's similar attempts to do the same delivery type and convert in an actual real deal and release skillwise, as an artist...
who directly descended on the label where components of this style bite originate from.

bank's most consistently employed flows are the same mush mouth mase offkey whine to wifey about my problems emo jiggy shyt, that him and fab are accused of.
that some people would and should call the basis for platinum selling swag rap.
evident by young joc,..
using the mase/ti mix flow for his sales explosion before his pr expsore destroyed his draw from oversaturation, and no cultural connection to adhere to.
to save the questionable use of the mase technical standard, in a southern incarnation mixed with the best moments of ti impersonations.

the mase formula,....
which is always piss poor, when it comes to convincability.
on top of actual, clarity and enunciation because it is dated on a mush mouth retard slowbus pop jiggy mase flow.
that is still flawed, to this very day and the future.
no matter who tries to dust it off, and use it.

it only worked for mase, because of sensationalism from biggie's death.
if that never happened,...
mase would have never had the opportunity to build a strictly pop rap fanbase and gateway.

once...
the neighborhood turned on mase, from his social reckless antics.
plus the tranny thing was all pr'd.
it took away any type of convincability, that style could have been used.
to add on or equal the draw of a mase debut solo.
meaning,...yeah, you can draw a half a fraction what mase did at his first selling envelopes height.
yet, you will not......and will not, ever.
be able to equal or outdo the sales output of mase, using his formula.
on top of creating, the conversation of your connectin to the culture.
when you need the culture to help you as a technical standard based emcee.
the likes of mase's eight is enough big L/finesse family tree features as standard.
once, you deviate from that audience.
you have no one who is a general rap fan.
to champion that standard base by word of mouth as a draw.
all because the surprise hustle of mase switching completely up.
to pull the jiggywood mason Hogan heel turn, for nwo and his debut.
on his past contingent of underground fans from 8isenough/coc.
cultivating only new gateway rap fans who were noob sentimentalist to the death of big.

so, the wool is pulled off the surprise draw for that type of delivery.

which is why I feel mase, banks, and fab need to go find clearer and cleaner enunciation, and delivery.
for their standard technical standard base rhymes as emcees, who sell their work, professionally.
in this day and age....the glass ceiling was shattered.
when it comes to having to possibly bite big/pac.
or what would soon become the entire antics and use of having no actual skillset to speak of as a performer like diddy.
or some branch of their family tree character/flow wise.
in the history of their highest draw as a controversial gangsta rapper.

I feel all of ny should embrace more advanced technical bases and more developed and pocketed flows that are on key.
ny should be making the most advanced, but accessible brand of music.
yet, since they embraced jiggydom.
plus, overran themselves with toys.
by failing to properly pull cards and police themselves, culturally.
which later became an entire issue on the coast as far as business and the culture.
to the point,..i don't know if ny will ever evolve their base standard model, of the jiggy era rap wise.
where the rappers only emulated the top spitters from that borough.
yet, never progressed style-wise, or in actual emcee'n.
all because the general rapper from each borough.
failed to abandon the ideal to copy what was currently a draw from their borough in the sales spike era.
on top of a loss, of sheer population of bboy/bgirls to the rocafeller laws as well.
so, there was no mass amount of bboys/bgirls in ny that were culturally aware enough to provide a sensible revolt or resolve.
to the worse than dj Hollywood and sugarhill level of bullshyt nwo and jiggywood betha hogun provided.
plus, it stagnated the creativity, and output of dope records volumes wise from the mecca.

fab/mase/banks could all benefit. from this current two decade old retro retread of the styles era of rap.
that was usher out in 1993.
solidly as the highest drawing genre type of rap for gangsta rap, as the top draw.
which is now given buzz words like the swag era.




art barr

nikka don't your fingers get fukking tired?

 

[NSSVO]

he sound like he's out of breath

 

[Funcrusher]

the only incarnation of banks delivery that was actually worth using consistently song to song.
was his pac/biggie biter meld flow voice.
which was employed one time expertly and one time only on grodt's Eminem featured don't push me.

[which also, features one of fiddy's worst verses, which was a pac lift. it works excellently on the hook. except, fiddy was in the technical downgrade.
required to spit cleanly and clearly to sell.
while, also melding expertly with dre's production and sonic soundscapes for an east coast artist.
although fiddy never made it back to his original technical base rhymes wise.
he lifted from mase on pod.
which was built on internal canceling mechanism rhyme style.
to handle his inability to wordsmith on a level consistently for that technical base.
which is why the pac lift bite era sold more.
later on though,..if fiddy would have ramped his skillset back up from a technical base standard wise.
he would never have lost his draw.
if he expertly melded the pac, mase jiggy flow together consistently as banks does on don't push me.

plus, fiddy would have better defended himself lyrically.
battling, over a longer period of time, opponent to opponent.
in, larger and longer volumes in every category of emcee'n.
with no possible fall off, skillwise..
which could have eliminated fiddy from leveling off and falling off from the sheer volume of music.
he made to run himself out of ink. right into the problems that plagued pac, in the hennessy/enemy rhyme crutch phase era pac had.
in the case of Lloyd banks,...banks succeeds at the technical standards better than anyone actively in rap on the eastcoast not named jada, styles, and cam.
who come from a former plat drawing ny mixtape contingent of still active artist.
who are credible as technical marvels and emcees, of this content type.]



after that,....you never got that same actual high quality vocal tone version of banks, ever again.
which for the him, was his best delivery type.
although it was built on a bite.
it works for gangsta rap as a draw, because of the pac influence.
on top of the mixing and actual x's and o's were from dre, engineering.
so, it worked in the deathrow/dre gangsta rap family tree for a ny artist on interscope/aftermath/shady.
where it did not look bad to the gateway gangsta rap fan.

nor, was it out of character for the label to have an artist.
that was a throwback to a past former label mate's large drawing era.

so, a guy who sounded like pac, with a big flow and delivery mix on interscope worked for banks.
to gain attention,..so, this pac/biggie bite I did not negatively rate past biting.
simply cause when it comes biting,..this was as good a meld as you got.
especially, in comparison to max b's similar attempts to do the same delivery type and convert in an actual real deal and release skillwise, as an artist...
who directly descended on the label where components of this style bite originate from.

bank's most consistently employed flows are the same mush mouth mase offkey whine to wifey about my problems emo jiggy shyt, that him and fab are accused of.
that some people would and should call the basis for platinum selling swag rap.
evident by young joc,..
using the mase/ti mix flow for his sales explosion before his pr expsore destroyed his draw from oversaturation, and no cultural connection to adhere to.
to save the questionable use of the mase technical standard, in a southern incarnation mixed with the best moments of ti impersonations.

the mase formula,....
which is always piss poor, when it comes to convincability.
on top of actual, clarity and enunciation because it is dated on a mush mouth retard slowbus pop jiggy mase flow.
that is still flawed, to this very day and the future.
no matter who tries to dust it off, and use it.

it only worked for mase, because of sensationalism from biggie's death.
if that never happened,...
mase would have never had the opportunity to build a strictly pop rap fanbase and gateway.

once...
the neighborhood turned on mase, from his social reckless antics.
plus the tranny thing was all pr'd.
it took away any type of convincability, that style could have been used.
to add on or equal the draw of a mase debut solo.
meaning,...yeah, you can draw a half a fraction what mase did at his first selling envelopes height.
yet, you will not......and will not, ever.
be able to equal or outdo the sales output of mase, using his formula.
on top of creating, the conversation of your connectin to the culture.
when you need the culture to help you as a technical standard based emcee.
the likes of mase's eight is enough big L/finesse family tree features as standard.
once, you deviate from that audience.
you have no one who is a general rap fan.
to champion that standard base by word of mouth as a draw.
all because the surprise hustle of mase switching completely up.
to pull the jiggywood mason Hogan heel turn, for nwo and his debut.
on his past contingent of underground fans from 8isenough/coc.
cultivating only new gateway rap fans who were noob sentimentalist to the death of big.

so, the wool is pulled off the surprise draw for that type of delivery.

which is why I feel mase, banks, and fab need to go find clearer and cleaner enunciation, and delivery.
for their standard technical standard base rhymes as emcees, who sell their work, professionally.
in this day and age....the glass ceiling was shattered.
when it comes to having to possibly bite big/pac.
or what would soon become the entire antics and use of having no actual skillset to speak of as a performer like diddy.
or some branch of their family tree character/flow wise.
in the history of their highest draw as a controversial gangsta rapper.

I feel all of ny should embrace more advanced technical bases and more developed and pocketed flows that are on key.
ny should be making the most advanced, but accessible brand of music.
yet, since they embraced jiggydom.
plus, overran themselves with toys.
by failing to properly pull cards and police themselves, culturally.
which later became an entire issue on the coast as far as business and the culture.
to the point,..i don't know if ny will ever evolve their base standard model, of the jiggy era rap wise.
where the rappers only emulated the top spitters from that borough.
yet, never progressed style-wise, or in actual emcee'n.
all because the general rapper from each borough.
failed to abandon the ideal to copy what was currently a draw from their borough in the sales spike era.
on top of a loss, of sheer population of bboy/bgirls to the rocafeller laws as well.
so, there was no mass amount of bboys/bgirls in ny that were culturally aware enough to provide a sensible revolt or resolve.
to the worse than dj Hollywood and sugarhill level of bullshyt nwo and jiggywood betha hogun provided.
plus, it stagnated the creativity, and output of dope records volumes wise from the mecca.

fab/mase/banks could all benefit. from this current two decade old retro retread of the styles era of rap.
that was usher out in 1993.
solidly as the highest drawing genre type of rap for gangsta rap, as the top draw.
which is now given buzz words like the swag era.




art barr

I was just going to post this



and say I miss this Banks, but I can appreciate a more thorough review of his fall off too