How do black folks that are anti-gun control reconcile with the damage guns have had on our community?

[Amo Husserl]

"How do black folks that are anti-gun control reconcile with the damage(d) people using guns

Spoiler: under outside influence

have had on our community

?"

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

Similar questions have been posed about rap music. Whether you agree with rap having a large impact on gun violence or not, it's a valid argument to make, but I think gun control and gun violence is the more interesting/important question.

Gun violence has been the leading cause of death for black children and teens since 2006. Black Americans are 10x as likely to die from firearms and 18x as likely to suffer from gun assaults than White Americans. The damage done to our community from them is easily observable.

However, gun control is a controversial topic among black folks, especially among those with conservative leanings. My question to those folks are, how can you oppose gun control and claim to be against violence in our community?

I think many are not actually anti-gun control. Some are saying what we are doing now isn't working.

 

[Bolzmark]

What kinda fukked up logic is this?

So because there will always be a form of an issue, we should do nothing to reduce its effects and potential damage?


As for the black market point:




The facts are is that states and countries with stringent gun laws, and neighbors who ALSO have such stringent gun laws, have lower gun crime rates. The presence of a "Black market" has not affected this trend.

You would have to point out where I said do nothing. Some of the proposed gun control laws are common sense. Yes there should be universal background checks. Yes assault weapons should be prohibited. My point is an answer to the thread question. Black people are not more for gun control because they know that most people causing these issues in our community didn't buy those guns legally anyway. Which one of these proposed laws are gonna keep the guns out of our community? NONE. So its a logical mentality to have that if the dudes out to get us have guns, then so should the law abiding citizens.

Take NY for example. SUPER STRICT gun laws. It's probably gonna change somewhat due to the Supreme Courts recent ruling, but it has always been damm near impossible to own and certainly to carry a gun in NY. YET, people get shot there everyday. And during the crack era? SHIIITTTT, people were dropping left and right.

So in effect what your original question asks has already been present in NY. As a matter of fact, gun laws in NY have been TOUGHER than what current gun control advocates are asking for nationwide. So explain why there have traditionally been so many shootings in NY?

 

[BigMan]

You would have to point out where I said do nothing. Some of the proposed gun control laws are common sense. Yes there should be universal background checks. Yes assault weapons should be prohibited. My point is an answer to the thread question. Black people are not more for gun control because they know that most people causing these issues in our community didn't buy those guns legally anyway. Which one of these proposed laws are gonna keep the guns out of our community? NONE. So its a logical mentality to have that if the dudes out to get us have guns, then so should the law abiding citizens.

Take NY for example. SUPER STRICT gun laws. It's probably gonna change somewhat due to the Supreme Courts recent ruling, but it has always been damm near impossible to own and certainly to carry a gun in NY. YET, people get shot there everyday. And during the crack era? SHIIITTTT, people were dropping left and right.

So in effect what your original question asks has already been present in NY. As a matter of fact, gun laws in NY have been TOUGHER than what current gun control advocates are asking for nationwide. So explain why there have traditionally been so many shootings in NY?

Well the objective fact is that NY is safer than places with more lax gun laws so that supports the argument than gun control correlates with less homicdes

The threshold issue tho is no one, including black people, value black lives.

 

[Bolzmark]

It was purchased legally, then sold illegally or legally with loopholes, or attained through theft or trade.

Wait...in the 90% number that was thrown out, he was including guns that were bought legally AT FIRST, then were sold illegally or obtained through theft? Uhhh...I don't think that it is a "legal" gun anymore.

 

[Bolzmark]

Well the objective fact is that NY is safer than places with more lax gun laws so that supports the argument than gun control correlates with less homicdes

Less homicides than a place with more lax gun laws? Yes. So much less that we should feel like we are safe and guns for self defense aren't necessary? No.

 

[BigMan]

Less homicides than a place with more lax gun laws? Yes. So much less that we should feel like we are safe and guns for self defense aren't necessary? No.

Feelings are subjective. Facts are objective. The facts show that NYC is very safe compared to southern and Midwest cities. Look at the data of the cities with the most homicides by gun.

 

[Everythingg]

the weaponry most people have ain't stopping nobody from doing shiit.

No matter what cap you’re here to push, the govt fears a fully armed populace more than one that has had its arms taken away

Limiting the arms people can buy only harms the law abiding citizen since criminals don’t obey laws anyways. And just like the war on drugs already showed, prohibiting something doesn’t make that something go away

 

[Everythingg]

I believe that it's a southern state by the name of Texas that has the most gun violence.

Most people who advocate owning anything more than a handgun, are basically serial killers that are off code about protecting the black community. As in, they will let their emotions get the best of them and use guns for anything outside of the intended purpose of killing a (white) oppressor.

Yeaaa.. while the govt militarizes police forces and politicians run around with law enforcement as security lets allow these same people to tell us that we can only have a handgun

 

[King Jove]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the average breh or brehette in the post-Crack Era ain't on the OG Black Panthers' paradigm. Today, most gun owners think about anything to protect themselves in terms of superficial and selfish shyt, and not on the good of the black community as a whole. Basically, off code c00ns wanting to shoot other black people over trivial BS and never against CACs.

Tell that to Jehrardd Williams

An investigation showed the shooter, 28-year-old Jehrardd Williams, shot and killed in self-defense as he was being charged by a shirtless man who had been yelling racial slurs at him minutes earlier, according to a Lee County Sheriff's Office report.

The State Attorney's Office will not file any charges against the man who shot and killed Dakota Fields in January at the Waffle House restaurant on Palm Beach Boulevard.

Tell that to Kenneth Walker when he shot at the kkkops when the police wrongfully raided his home.

Breonna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker cleared of shooting police officer

Kenneth Walker was accused of shooting and wounding an officer who stormed his home last year.

www.bbc.com

Tell that to the breh who shot at the kkkops when race soldiers shot at him in an unmarked van

Man who shot at cops in unrest over Floyd death is acquitted

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A man charged with attempted murder after firing at Minneapolis police officers in the chaotic protests that followed George Floyd’s death has been acquitted of all charges against him.

apnews.com

When are the democrats gonna take guns out of the hands of white supremacist police officers that use them on black people?

Why do states with strict gun control still have highly militarized police forces?



Why do they need high capacity magazines and "assault rifles"?

If they are truly weapons of war why would law enforcement need them? Who are they at war with?

 

[Bolzmark]

Feelings are subjective. Facts are objective. The facts show that NYC is very safe compared to southern and Midwest cities. Look at the data of the cities with the most homicides by gun.

True. But I'm responding to OP's question. And he was asking about the proposed gun control laws and why blacks are not as fully behind them. So you realize, the proposed gun control laws we have been hearing over and over are NOT on the level of NY's gun control laws? If what has been proposed actually passes, the nation as a whole would still be far behind NY. Yes you would have to get your criminal background checked. No you would not be able to purchase an assault rifle. Maybe a 7 day waiting period. Clips limited to 10 rounds. You would have to be 21. If you get past those, which most people would, then buy guns and carry them daily. Would any of these proposals make you feel safer?

 

[3rdWorld]

Doesn't really matter what anybody says or does, its way too late..the guns are already out there in the millions. Criminals have access to them and so do future mass shooters.
No amount of reform will ever help

 

[Wild self]

Cats in this thread really advocating off code c00ns to own guns and kill other black folks.

 

[Yzak]

I look at the history and present day of this country