How do you all feel about Ben Carson?

jilla82

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i think its undeniable that democrats pander more to black people, i dont think its undeniable that the their policy proposals and ideology are beneficial to black people, i think thats an open question
but what policies are those?
They pander...but its nothing but policies that keep you needing them.
The hood, is still the hood...nothing has changed.

You cant keep lying to people and tell them the government is going to change your life.
Its a lie. The government is broke.
 

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dude from YT is much more liberal than the Obama admin and mainstream liberals in general (im not even a fan of dude).
but....
what im saying is he went off of the MSNBC script that says Democrats are right w/ everything.
Dude from Turks wasnt down for sticking to talking points and kissing every politicians ass, which is what Fox and MSNBC do.

You cats seem to have difficulty grasping the fact that there are different degrees of everything.
I consider myself a moderate conservative...that doesnt mean I can watch Fox news and agree w/ the crap on there.
Off topic: Out of curiosity, what happened to your rep? :dwillhuh:
 

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but what policies are those?
They pander...but its nothing but policies that keep you needing them.
The hood, is still the hood...nothing has changed.

You cant keep lying to people and tell them the government is going to change your life.
Its a lie. The government is broke.
:wow:
 

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but what policies are those?
They pander...but its nothing but policies that keep you needing them.
The hood, is still the hood...nothing has changed.

You cant keep lying to people and tell them the government is going to change your life.
Its a lie. The government is broke.

yeah

i think overall claude anderson is correct in that economics comes first but barring that, black people should split our vote just for the fuk of it and for the increased leverage
 

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Damn the left wingers got exposed in this thread. You can tell dudes like Box Cutta and Bammer Weed live in liberal bubbles and aren't used to having people call out their bullshyt.
 

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I disagree completely. The party is based almost exclusively on faux white outrage and white resentment. As an establishment, the republican party literally stands between black people and progress on nearly every issue.

A black republican is a self-hateful uncle tom.

I would say you could make that argument for a far right tea party type, but not republicans in general. A black person can believe in limited government without being opposed to the Civil Rights Act for instance. In fact, the conservatives who helped push the CRA through congress agreed with that principle. The total shift to extremism occurred in 1968 and especially 1972 when Nixon began the "law and order" campaign plus the Southern Strategy. To this day it's the most potent political creation IMO.


Modern Republican politics in a nutshell. Apply that to every single economic issue of Obama's presidency. Obamacare, immigration reform, Medicaid expansion, the stimulus, etc etc. Government spending money during a "liberal" presidency=helping blacks and Hispanics. That is why Hillary Clinton will get as much hate as Obama gets. Obama's race plays a role, but the people his presidency helps is more important - and thus why he could have been white and received nearly as much hate. It's about tax dollars.

The reason I still think blacks can be republican is because not every republican is fixated on the idea of taxes helping blacks. I work in the financial field and thus know plenty of people who are legit small government people. They don't want their taxes "wasted" on anything, period. They budget their personal finances obsessively. Those people exist, there are many of them. And I see don't think it's treasonous for a black person to think that way, even if I disagree with it.
 
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Jackie Robinson and Nixon: Life and Death of a Political Friendship

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Here in Yankee Stadium’s locker room after Game 5 of the 1952 World Series, Senator Richard Nixon of California, Republican nominee for vice president, congratulates Jackie Robinson on the Brooklyn Dodgers’ 6-5 win over the Yankees. (The Dodgers ultimately lost in seven games.)

In 1960, Robinson endorsed Nixon for president, declaring that the civil rights commitment of Nixon’s Democratic rival, John F. Kennedy, was “insincere.” In those times, an African-American Republican was by no means unusual. About 39 percent of black voters had supported the re-election of President Dwight Eisenhower and his vice president.

Then, in October 1960, Martin Luther King Jr. was jailed in Georgia on a trumped-up charge. Kennedy made a much-heralded telephone call to King’s wife, Coretta, which helped to get King released. Declining Robinson’s insistence that he intervene in the case, Nixon told him that Kennedy had opportunistically made “what our good friend Joe Louis called a ‘grandstand play.'”

Jackie withstood intense pressure — including from his wife, Rachel — to follow King’s father in switching from Nixon to Kennedy; he later wrote that his decision had “something to do with stubbornness.” As a result, a ballplayer who had withstood death threats in 1947 to break the major leagues’ color barrier was denounced as a “sellout” and “Uncle Tom.” That November, Nixon won only a third of the African-American vote, a crucial factor in his hairbreadth defeat.

Although Presidents Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson championed what became the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Robinson quit his executive job at Chock Full o’Nuts that spring to campaign for Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, a Republican, explaining that “we must work for a two-party system, as far as the Negro is concerned.”

But Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater, who opposed the 1964 legislation as unconstitutional. When Rockefeller denounced political extremism at the party’s San Francisco convention, Robinson, a “special delegate,” shouted, “C’mon, Rocky!” As Robinson recalled, an Alabama delegate “turned on me menacingly” before “his wife grabbed his arm and turned him back.”

Spoiling for a fight, Jackie cried, “Turn him loose, lady, turn him loose!” He later wrote with uncharacteristic overstatement that on leaving San Francisco, “I had a better understanding of how it must have felt to be a Jew in Hitler’s Germany.”

That fall, Robinson joined the 94 percent of the African-American electorate that backed President Johnson. (Since then, the percentage of the black vote for Democratic presidential nominees has never dipped below the low 80s.) In 1968, furious over Nixon’s courtship of Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, who had once led the segregationist “Dixiecrats,” Jackie backed the Democratic nominee, Hubert Humphrey.

Jackie Robinson died of a heart attack at age 53, two weeks before the 1972 election. Although President Nixon’s civil rights record was considerably stronger (especially on public schools desegregation) than many understood, he was eager that year to carry the five Southern states that had supported George Wallace’s third-party candidacy in 1968; Nixon felt he had little chance to regain much of the African-American vote.

That March, Robinson, ailing and tired, complained to President Nixon by letter that he was “polarizing this country.” No longer the political optimist of his earlier years, he poignantly wrote his onetime friend, “I want so much to be a part of and to love this country as I once did.”

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"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."
- Martin Luther King Jr, July 16, 1964 (after witnessing that infamous GOP presidential convention)
The funny part is how some republicans are trying to claim Jackie and MLK today :russ:
The GOP black vote went from 32% for Nixon in 1960 to 4% for Goldwater in 1964 (same year the Civil Rights Act was passed and the GOP won MS, AL, SC, LA and GA for the first time since Reconstruction)

“From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that…but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”
- Kevin Phillips, Richard Nixon's campaign manager, explaining the GOP Southern Strategy.
Well, republicans lost blacks by embracing those racist southerners cacs who were pissed off at democrats for supporting the Civil Rights movement.
The party of Lincoln became the party of Jefferson Davis and people waving confederate flags.
Black people noticed it too :manny:
 

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The modern GOP's ultimate hero, Ronald Reagan...
*Reagan kicked off his 1980 campaign in Philadelphia, Miss., which at the time was known for only one thing: the Ku Klux Klan murder of three civil rights workers. Reagan, using the code words of the day, said, "I believe in states rights." (just like George Wallace, Orval Faubus and other white southern politicians before him).

*Reagan was opposed to the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (a referendum on Jim Crow).

*He was also opposed to the Fair Housing Act, saying: "If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, he has a right to do so"

*As president, he actually tried to weaken the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (he called it a great insult to the South).

*He tried to veto the Civil Rights Restoration Act passed by Congress to overturn a Supreme Court ruling (Grove City v. Bell) that limited the remedies available to the federal government when going after discrininatory private organizations that receive federal subsidies. The democratic-led Congress overrode Reagan's veto.

*He tried to get rid of the federal ban on tax exemptions for private schools that practiced racial discrimination (Bob Jones University). Congress blocked it.

*In 1988, he opposed a bill to expand the reach of federal civil rights legislation. The democratic Congress overrode the veto.

*Reagan also opposed the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa. The Democratic Congress overrode that veto, too.
After one of Reagan's pro-apartheid speeches, the normally mild-mannered Bishop Desmond Tutu said: "I found it quite nauseating. I think the West can go to hell! Your president is the pits as far as blacks are concerned. He sits there like the great, big white chief of old"

*He referenced to black women as "Cadillac-driving welfare queens" (nevermind that most welfare recipients are white)

*When MLK was murdered, he argued that he had it coming. Reagan said it was just the sort of "great tragedy that began when we began compromising with law and order, and people started choosing which laws they'd break."

*He opposed the MLK holiday: When John Conyers introduced the bill with the backing of the NAACP, Reagan vowed to veto it.
He only signed it after the democratic Congress passed the law with a veto-proof majority. All 22 senators who opposed it were republicans.
Reagan signed the law grudgingly, noting he did so because "Congress seemed bent on making it a national holiday" (yet, republicans try to give him credit for it today).

He also held up funding for AIDS research for 3 years after it was initially called a "gay disease" by Jerry Falwell and the Christian right.
Black people didn't hate him by accident. He was a racist, plain and simple. :birdman:
 
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