How do you feel about fracking?

Fracking?

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read between the lines .

Nd where is your post w/ explanation of your thoughts ?
With your nitpicking posting ass , never can get a podcast together muthafxcka.

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http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/16/3659750/oil-billionaire-fracking-earthquakes/

This Billionaire Tried To Get University Scientists Fired For Doing Their Job
BY KILEY KROH POSTED ON MAY 16, 2015 AT 1:16 PM

Despite a growing body of scientific research connecting oil and gas activity to a dramatic spike in earthquakes across several U.S. states, some industry leaders are fighting this characterization. Harold Hamm, billionaire CEO of Oklahoma City-based Continental Resources, told a dean at the University of Oklahoma last year that he was so displeased by the university’s research on the topic that he wanted certain scientists dismissed, Bloomberg News reported.

In an email to colleagues dated July 16, 2014 and obtained by Bloomberg, Larry Grillot, the dean of the university’s Mewbourne College of Earth and Energy, said that he had met with Hamm, a major donor to the university, to discuss his concerns about earthquake reporting by the Oklahoma Geological Survey (OGS), which is housed in the university. “Mr. Hamm is very upset at some of the earthquake reporting to the point that he would like to see select OGS staff dismissed,” Grillot wrote, adding that Hamm indicated he would be meeting with Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) to discuss moving the OGS out of the university
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OGS seismologist Austin Holland was summoned to meet with Hamm and university president David Boren in late 2013 to discuss some of his findings linking fracking activity to earthquakes. In an interview with EnergyWire published earlier this week, Hamm denied any attempt to bully the scientist: “We care about the industry,” he said. “When people disparage parts of it, I want to know why. I want to know what basis they have for doing that.”


According to state officials, the average rate of earthquakes in Oklahoma is now 600 times higher than historical averages. An unprecedented 20 small quakes were recorded in one day alone last year. Multiple scientific studies have pointed to a specific aspect of oil and gas extraction as the likely cause for the uptick in seismic activity: wastewater injection. As ThinkProgress’ Emily Atkin explained, “scientists increasingly believe that the large amount of water that is injected into the ground after a well is fracked can change the state of stress on existing fault lines to the point of failure, causing earthquakes.”

While Oklahoma officials had been reluctant to acknowledge the growing body of research connecting oil and gas activity with fracking, the state changed course in April,launching a website detailing what state officials know about the rise in earthquakes and what measures are being taken to address it. “We know that the recent rise in earthquakes cannot be entirely attributed to natural causes,” the site states. “The Oklahoma Geological Survey has determined that the majority of recent earthquakes in central and north-central Oklahoma are very likely triggered by the injection of produced water in disposal wells.”

Immediately after the site was launched, however, the state legislature passed two billsthat would preemptively prohibit cities and counties from banning oil and gas extraction.

Regardless of Hamm’s intent, university officials told Bloomberg that his pressure had no impact on the research being done by the OGS. “I didn’t want it to impact their day-to-day work,” Grillot said of the OGS staff. “Foremost for us is academic freedom.”

Hamm has frequently dismissed the risks associated with the industry that has made him billions of dollars. Continental ships 90 percent of its oil by railroad, a method Hammreferred to as an “effective” and flexible means of transport, ignoring the rise in damaging and deadly oil by rail accidents. He has defended continued government subsidies for the oil and gas industry while denouncing those for renewable energy sources, saying of wind turbines, “once they’re there, they haunt you.”

When asked about the threat of climate change, the damaging impacts of which are accelerated by the burning of fossil fuels, Hamm, a top energy adviser to 2012 Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, has frequently pointed to global population trends rather than the role of the oil and gas industry. “Overpopulation — that probably hurts the environment more than anything,” he said in a 2013 interviewwith National Journal.
 

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/texas-fracking-ban_n_7310072.html

Texas Governor Prohibits Cities And Towns From Banning Fracking
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Posted: 05/18/2015 9:12 pm EDT Updated: 05/18/2015 9:59 pm EDT

HOUSTON May 18 (Reuters) - Texas Governor Greg Abbott on Monday signed a bill into law that prohibits cities and towns from banning an oil drilling practice known as hydraulic fracking, giving the state sole authority over oil and gas regulation.

Lawmakers in Texas, a state that is home to the two of the most productive U.S. shale oil fields, have been under pressure to halt an anti-fracking movement since November, when voters in the town of Denton voted to ban the oil and gas extraction technique.

"This law ensures that Texas avoids a patchwork quilt of regulations that differ from region to region, differ from county to county or city to city," Abbott, a Republican, said in a statement.


In fracking, a mixture of pressurized water, sand and chemicals is directed at rock to unlock oil and natural gas. Operators say it is safe because, but many environmental groups oppose the practice, calling it wasteful, polluting, dirty and noisy.

Fracking was pioneered at the Barnett shale natural gas formation in north Texas where Denton is located. Most of the crude output in Texas comes from fracked wells in the Eagle Ford and Permian fields to the south and west. (Reporting by Anna Driver and Terry Wade; Editing by Lisa Shumaker)
 

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http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-drought-oil-water-20150503-story.html#page=1

Central Valley's growing concern: Crops raised with oil field water

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Last month, the Central Valley water authority, which regulates the water recycling program, notified all oil producers of new, broader testing requirements and ordered the companies to begin checking for chemicals covered under California's new fracking disclosure regulations. The law, which legislators approved last year, requires oil companies to tell the state which chemicals they use in oil-extraction processes. The water authority gave producers until June 15 to report their results.

"We need to make sure we fully understand what goes into the wastewater," said Clay Rodgers, assistant executive officer of the Central Valley Water Quality Control Board.


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One environmental group has tested the irrigation water for oil field chemicals. Over the last two years, Scott Smith, chief scientist for the advocacy group Water Defense, collected samples of the treated irrigation water that the Cawelo Water District buys from Chevron. Laboratory analysis of those samples found compounds that are toxic to humans, including acetone and methylene chloride — powerful industrial solvents — along with oil.

Water Defense, founded by actor Mark Ruffalo in 2010, works to promote access to clean water by testing local supplies and documenting contamination.

Sarah Oktay, a water testing expert and director of the Nantucket field station of the University of Massachusetts Boston, reviewed Smith's methods and the laboratory analysis of the water he sampled.

"I wouldn't necessarily panic, but I would certainly think I would rather not have that," she said, referring to the chemicals identified in the water samples. "My next step would be most likely to look and make sure the crop is healthy."

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State Sen. Fran Pavley (D-Agoura Hills) is sponsoring legislation that would require expanded testing of water produced in oil operations. The Division of Oil, Gas & Geothermal Resources, which regulates the state's oil and gas industry, is already facing lawmakers' ire after the recent discovery that about 2,500 oil wastewater injection wells were allowed to operate in aquifers that, under federal standards, contain clean water.

Pavley said it is "obviously unacceptable" that oil contaminants are found in irrigation water. "Anyone would be extremely concerned."

Chevron and the water district say that the water is safe for use on crops, citing the fact that they are complying with testing requirements under the wastewater discharge permit issued by the Central Valley water authority.

David Ansolabehere, general manager of the Cawelo Water District, reviewed Smith's results. He said the sampling methods gathered too many solids and not enough liquid for testing. Smith uses a sampling method that gathers water and particles over a longer period of time, from deeper levels, than traditional water testing techniques. That method, Ansolabehere said, casts doubt on the test results.


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He traveled the eight-mile Cawelo canal, taking samples of the water as it moved from Chevron's oil fields through the irrigation canals to farmers' fields. He said he gathered samples only from areas that were publicly accessible. He took samples from 10 points, collecting water from a number of depths at each site through a process that he said is more comprehensive than the sampling state and local authorities require.

The samples Smith collected contained acetone and methylene chloride, solvents used to degrease equipment or soften thick crude oil, at concentrations higher than he said he had seen at oil spill disaster sites. The water also contained C20 and C34, hydrocarbons found in oil, according to ALS Environmental, the lab that analyzed Smith's samples.

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Methylene chloride and acetone are used as solvents in many industrial settings. Methylene chloride is classified as a potential carcinogen.

One sample of the recycled Cawelo irrigation water, for example, registered methylene chloride as high as 56 parts per billion. Smith said that was nearly four times the amount of methylene chloride registered when he tested oil-fouled river at the 2013 ExxonMobil tar sands pipeline spill in Mayflower, Ark. That spill was declared a federal disaster, spurred evacuations and resulted in a $2.7-million fine for the company.

Chevron told The Times it does not use acetone or methylene chloride in its oil extraction process. The company would not disclose the fluids used in drilling or well maintenance.

Mark Smith, a board member of the Cawelo Water District who grows pistachios and citrus using treated water from Chevron, said he had "never heard a word" about contamination from the oil production process and is satisfied that the water testing is adequate.


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"As long as they're treating the water to the point where it's allowed by whatever agency governs the quality of water, I think it would be OK," said Glenn Fankhauser, assistant director of the Kern County Department of Agriculture and Measurement Standards.

Blake Sanden, an agriculture extension agent and irrigation water expert with UC Davis, said "everyone smells the petrochemicals in the irrigation water" in the Cawelo district. But he said local farmers trust that organisms in the soil remove toxins or impurities in water.

"When I talk to growers, and they smell the oil field crap in that water, they assume the soil is taking care of this," Sanden said.

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Microorganisms in soils can consume and process some impurities, Sanden said, but it's not clear whether oil field waste is making its way into the roots or leaves of irrigated plants, and then into the food chain.

It's unlikely that petrochemicals will show up in an almond, for example, he added, "But can they make it into the flesh of an orange or grape? It's possible. A lot of this stuff has not been studied in a field setting or for commercial food uptake."

Carl K. Winter at UC Davis, who studies the detection of pesticides and naturally occurring toxins in foods, said some plants can readily absorb toxins without transferring them to the leaves or the flesh of their fruit.

Still, he said, "it's difficult to say anything for sure because we don't know what chemicals are in the water."

Some chemists say that the key to effective testing is to cast a broad net that includes all chemicals used in oil production.

"As an environmental health scientist, this is one of the things that keeps me up at night," said Seth B.C. Shonkoff, a visiting scholar at UC Berkeley and one of the researchers analyzing hydraulic fracturing for the state Legislature. "You can't find what you don't look for."

 

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So a lot of stuff has happened in the last month with regards to fracking

1) Texas stops cities from having local ordinances to stop fracking operations

http://kxan.com/2015/05/18/new-texas-law-bans-cities-from-banning-fracking-drilling/

2) Oklahoma stops cities from having local ordinances to stop fracking operations

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/01/3664586/oklahoma-ban-on-fracking-bans/

3) U.S. EPA seemingly states that systemically no water tables are harmed with the fracking operations

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/06/04/fracking/

4) This week, environmentalist are noting that the report is not actually a final document as there disclaimers at the bottom of every page, sayings it is not EPA policy

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/06/08...t-significant-data-gap-hazard-identification/

5) Producer of Gasland move about fracking goes on Fox Business and they go at it

 

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Geodetic engineer here with some experience mapping possible areas that are good for hydraulic fracturing...

Most people don't realize that this shyt has been going on since the dawn of mineral exploration.

Most people don't realize that this phenomenon takes place many meters below the water table.

Most people don't realize the worst part about fracturing is the transport of trucks and crew.

Most people don't realize that there are adverse environmental effects, but they have nothing to do with the actual manipulation of the earth.

Not saying fracturing is sustainable but I am saying most people are stupid and take their oil byproducts for granted
 

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Geodetic engineer here with some experience mapping possible areas that are good for hydraulic fracturing...

Most people don't realize that this shyt has been going on since the dawn of mineral exploration.

Most people don't realize that this phenomenon takes place many meters below the water table.

Most people don't realize the worst part about fracturing is the transport of trucks and crew.

Most people don't realize that there are adverse environmental effects, but they have nothing to do with the actual manipulation of the earth.

Not saying fracturing is sustainable but I am saying most people are stupid and take their oil byproducts for granted

Is fracking the cause of the rise in earthquakes in middle America?
 

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Hrm interesting I have some literature on us geological surveying regarding this that I can send to you if u wish. Ultimately no it does not caused a dramatic increase in quakes however there is the potential for it...

Ps gasland is horseshyt.

I'm on my iPad but I'll break open my computer and look for the whole paper but for now this answers ur question appropriately.

Many questions have been raised about whether hydraulic fracturing—commonly referred to as “fracking”—is responsible for the recent increase of earthquakes. USGS’s studies suggest that the actual hydraulic fracturing process is only occasionally the direct cause of felt earthquakes.

That is direct from their site (usgs) regarding that specific paper. Listen I'm a fukkin pot smokin earthly hippy so I naturally think we should cut down on fossil fuel but what really pisses me off more than anything is people's general lack of knowledge regarding anything before forming an opinion...anyhow...
 

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@StatutoryApe My geodetic enginering breh, Oklahoma has more earthquakes than California, this didn't start 100 years ago. Its started in the last 6 - 7 years. Earthquakes in DFW too, unheard of a decade ago. https://www.google.com/#q=oklahoma has more earthquakes than california

Pause for a second. My understanding is that is not the fracking drilling process, but it is more so the waste disposal of the fracking fluid that is causing the earthquakes. Whatever the case, the industry is creating some new phenomenons....

Because the correlation of fracking and earthquakes is coming to light. A a University of Oklahoma philanthropist is trying to get researchers at the school that have the made correlation fired :russ:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...anted-scientists-dismissed-dean-s-e-mail-says

Also what part of the GasLand movies do you have issues with?
 
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need to finish gasland 2

this world is getting so fukked up

in all honesty, fracking is bad but there's more pressing issues
 

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:wow: OK Supreme Court couldn't be bought out ...


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/u...s-can-sue-oil-companies-over-quakes.html?_r=1

http://dutchsinse.com/7012015-oklah...ng-companies-for-damages-supreme-court-rules/

7/01/2015 — OKLAHOMA RESIDENTS CAN NOW SUE FRACKING COMPANIES FOR DAMAGES — SUPREME COURT RULES
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Huge victory against oil / gas companies causing damage via fracking/injection earthquakes !

After a series of dark moments for freedom in Oklahoma, and Texas(when state legislators passed laws which PREVENT locals from being able to stop fracking in their own towns) now the Oklahoma Supreme Court has issued a ruling which could be a game changer for the entire fracking industry.


Residents can now sue fracking companies for damages to their property , and personal health caused by fracking earthquakes.

This all stems from a case where a woman had her house chimney collapse in upon her during the large M5.7 2011 fracking earthquake in Oklahoma.



At the time, professionals tried to DENY there was any relation between the huge swarm of earthquakes, and the fracking operations.

Not trusting anything on face value, I actually pulled satellite images to see what was at the location, what I found was shocking.

What I found flew in the face of what the professionals had said — they said NO fracking operations were near the earthquake epicenter — in reality, there are several frac wells, and even “Oil Road” marked on google earth.

A picture speaks a thousand words:



 
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