How does Drake get credit for "making hit records" when he doesn't write or produce?

[Black Magisterialness]

Plenty of people shyt on Kanye for that, he just isn't in the news cycle, nor did he get exposed this blatantly.

Secondly, Drake and his fans were actively campaigning for him to hold some kinda weight lyrically. "I can tell you not a rapper!" on a song he didn't write...this nikka is on sprite billboards with Rakim, they are printing his (and whoever else's) scribes on soda cans...people comparing him to Puff or Dre are missing the point. Neither of them nikkas ever declared supremacy over their peers on some MC shyt. nikkas let Will Smith do his thing because he never tried to veer over into Jay/Nas' lane as genre defining lyricists. He made his jingles, got his money and people still loved him for who/what he is.

For all intents and purposes, Drake's position in the game is allowing him to define this era, the nikka coming up behind him now can openly say "I'm too busy to rap", have a whole team of puppeteers, show up, do his method acting and not only reap the monetary rewards and accolades but be put on MT Rushmoore with nikkas that were actually true to the craft.

I feel you here. Its a dangerous precedence for sure. And we are in total agreement on this aspect. However, one clip does NOT reveal the full extent of which we need evidence. Nor is a writing credit on liner notes. Hell, there are cats who contributed shyt like "oh put nikka here instead of rappers, and it'll sound harder" and got writing credits...that's also a way for artists to supplement the income of their peers through royalties.

My main point is that for as damning as these allegations were, the end shoulda been a slam dunk for Meek. But it wasn't he missed his shot. And all the Drake haters are taking shyt far beyond the realm of evidence based critique. That's my only issue.

Personally I'm someone even tried to beef in today's modern day circle jerk of rap. Besides, Kendrick warned us of this on "King Kunta" anyway.

 

[10bandz]

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I'm neither a Drake supporter nor Drake detractor in this whole situation I'm just telling it like I see it. But it's evident some of yall just wanna spite Drake to spite him. And making whole new accounts to do it too

How are we spiting him just to spite him? We didnt make this fraud shyt up, we didn't go looking for reference tracks they were presented to us. nikkas like u are the ones running circles to defend him. Ok so QM's reference tracks weren't mixed as well or had as much life as Dre's reference tracks for songs that never came out? So what? No one said QM had better mic presence or better voice than Drake. But he's penning the nikkas rhyems, flow, style and slang. This can't be disputed nikka.

nikkas really on some "Y'all would still say he had ghostwriters even if the reference tracks didnt drop". Really? Cuz i dont remember such full blown discussions about Drake's writers EVERY SINGLE DAY until this Meek shyt happened. nikkas aren't making up their issues with Drake, its real life. He claims King is uses writer. No one is hating just to hate. Some nikkas just respect rap music simple as that.

 

[stealthbomber]

jesus fukking christ the people saying drake has never written anything are idiots

i was gonna write something but by page 3 i couldnt take it

you wanna believe what you wanna believe, fine

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Where's the proof he has written ANYTHING? Nowhere.

 

[Houston911]

How are we spiting him just to spite him? We didnt make this fraud shyt up, we didn't go looking for reference tracks they were presented to us. nikkas like u are the ones running circles to defend him. Ok so QM's reference tracks weren't mixed as well or had as much life as Dre's reference tracks for songs that never came out? So what? No one said QM had better mic presence or better voice than Drake. But he's penning the nikkas rhyems, flow, style and slang. This can't be disputed nikka.

nikkas really on some "Y'all would still say he had ghostwriters even if the reference tracks didnt drop". Really? Cuz i dont remember such full blown discussions about Drake's writers EVERY SINGLE DAY until this Meek shyt happened. nikkas aren't making up their issues with Drake, its real life. He claims King is uses writer. No one is hating just to hate. Some nikkas just respect rap music simple as that.

These guys are arguably the dumbest people ive ever seen on the internet

 

[JustCKing]

I'm talking about the original booklet from the original album release. Not a re-issue...Not a digital booklet, not a wiki article. She took 100% credit for all the songs, fam. The people writing for her didn't have their own publishing at the time.

I have the original one that came out in 1998. It clearly says Produced, written, arranged, and performed by Lauryn Hill. Next to it are co-producer, additional producer, additional musical contribution, and additional lyrical contribution credits.

 

[GunRanger]

Yall need to start looking at the credits dor your favorite rappers

 

[Frida Giezman]

Drake has NEVER been lyrical either, but he's being discussed as if he were. That's still beside the point. You have a credible lyricist saying that Kanye's lyrical. Kanye is far from a novelty act. Novelty acts don't have a decades worth of success. Novelty acts fade.

Nobody's cherry picking anything. If anything it's Drake's detractors who cherry picking. One day, Drake's a soft, commercial Pop artist. The next, he's a revered lyricist who was outed for having writers. It's like people pick and choose what Drake is based on whatever suits the agenda for the day. If Drake is a Pop artist, him having ghostwriters should be a non-issue because that's what many Pop artist do. If he's the antithesis of Hip Hop, then we shouldn't be wasting our time discussing him. If he's a culture vulture, why does anything he make hold any cultural significance or relevance.

You claim not to be mad, but your words say otherwise. If anyone's making him into something he's not it's the people who put all these labels on him.

People may think drake is corny and awkward but idk anyone in real life who denied his "talent" prior to this ghostwriting shyt

Yall rewriting history

 

[10bandz]

nikkas still dont get the differeence between Dr Dre and Drake? Y'all young and/or dumb nikkas need to take a Hip Hop History class .
Dr Dre, Puff Dady, Kanye all impacted the game HEAVILY beyond any lyrics they could write. Drake hasn't. And I'm not gonna explain further, y'all nikka need to start using google and need to start reading books about this rap shyt.

 

[SunZoo]

I feel you here. Its a dangerous precedence for sure. And we are in total agreement on this aspect. However, one clip does NOT reveal the full extent of which we need evidence. Nor is a writing credit on liner notes. Hell, there are cats who contributed shyt like "oh put nikka here instead of rappers, and it'll sound harder" and got writing credits...that's also a way for artists to supplement the income of their peers through royalties.

My main point is that for as damning as these allegations were, the end shoulda been a slam dunk for Meek. But it wasn't he missed his shot. And all the Drake haters are taking shyt far beyond the realm of evidence based critique. That's my only issue.

Personally I'm someone even tried to beef in today's modern day circle jerk of rap. Besides, Kendrick warned us of this on "King Kunta" anyway.

Right...but look at J Cole and Kendrick who are really maybe a tier below Drake as far as sales go. I don't even fukk with Cole like that but he does his thing on the album top to bottom for the most part, even production wise. Ain't nobody making no stencils for Kendrick to rap over, yet these are his contemporaries, even with the R&B on the side.

And while it ain't a smoking gun, and plenty of rappers have been "accused", it's posts dating back to 2009 that indicate that dude has been getting "help" from the jump and essentially got into the rap game because he had the money to do so. You match that up with the current fall out the dots start to look connected.

You look at the cats that we (i'm assuming your demographic here) came up on, rap was their salvation...where would DMX, Jay Z, Nas, 2pac, Eminem ect. be if they didn't learn how to excel at this craft? Dead? Prison?

Justin Beiber is a better "singer" than Drake, he's got the pop appeal and has even adopted a Hip Hop swag, he's shmoney dancing and all this shyt...are any of these Drake fans going to protest when they put a similar team around him and have him play the MC role? If he decides he wants to be a rapper and makes "Good music" that can dominate radio is it gonna be all good?

 

[JustCKing]

People may think drake is corny and awkward but idk anyone in real life who denied his "talent" prior to this ghostwriting shyt

Yall rewriting history

If anything people are writing whatever suits their agenda. You not knowing anyone in real life who denied his "talent" doesn't mean that there aren't people in real life who thought differently. Not everyone hears the same thing especially if we're talking about all time greats. Another thing is the notion that people actually thinking that some people's thoughts online are different the ones they have once they log off.

There's no difference between a Drake and a Kanye outside of Kanye producing. In fact, Kanye is often credited with giving the Drakes of the world a lane.

 

[SunZoo]

Yall need to start looking at the credits dor your favorite rappers

It ain't just about credits though. Beastie Boys got writers credits for "berzerk". Slick Rick, Doug E Fresh, JJ FAD got writers credits for "Rap God". None of those people appeared or contributed directly the songs at all, let alone the verses performed by the MC. Any musicians that actually write the notes get those too...there is still quite a bit of difference between those "writers" and QM in the context of what we are discussing. We are talking about a nikka using training wheels here.

And when you look at his showing with the black berry on funk flex....the fact that he probably had to be coached on how to use the word "nikka" properly, the idea that someone has had to hold his hand through all of this isn't far fetched.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Hip-Hop tofu

 

[JustCKing]

nikkas still dont get the differeence between Dr Dre and Drake? Y'all young and/or dumb nikkas need to take a Hip Hop History class .
Dr Dre, Puff Dady, Kanye all impacted the game HEAVILY beyond any lyrics they could write. Drake hasn't. And I'm not gonna explain further, y'all nikka need to start using google and need to start reading books about this rap shyt.

You would have a point if impact was in question.

 

[Frida Giezman]

If anything people are writing whatever suits their agenda. You not knowing anyone in real life who denied his "talent" doesn't mean that there aren't people in real life who thought differently. Not everyone hears the same thing especially if we're talking about all time greats. Another thing is the notion that people actually thinking that some people's thoughts online are different the ones they have once they log off.

There's no difference between a Drake and a Kanye outside of Kanye producing. In fact, Kanye is often credited with giving the Drakes of the world a lane.

It's easy for people to troll and be irrational when they're posting anonymously on the internet

Just because trolls and weirdos on the coli would shyt on drake doesn't mean that was the sentiment of the majority of people in the real world

You and I both know that for the most part drake got mad love for his perceived talent prior to this Quentin Miller shyt