How does Drake get credit for "making hit records" when he doesn't write or produce?

[JMurder]

if im riding a bike using training wheels im doing most of the work ....that doesnt change the fact that im a grown ass man riding a bike with training wheels looking like a fukking dork

Then the vast majority of the game is riding a bike with training wheels looking like a fukking dork because most rappers take a bar or two or a hook or a small portion of a verse in their songs. R&B singers are not required to write their own music and a lot of Drake's music does qualify as R&B. I'm trying to see your pov on this but it seems like you're speaking on this out of emotion rather than actual logic

 

[JMurder]

Those are producers, sampled artists and featured artists dumb ass. PND has two solo songs on the project too. Do you clearly not see Drake wrote You & The 6, Madonna, Now & Forever, Energy, How About Now among other tracks...

And was it you who just switched the If You're Reading This It's Too Late article on Wiki from mixtape to album that's how much you got invested in this

But HOW DO WE KNOW he really WROTE them??

Lol

 

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edit: know what fukk it lol. I don't care anymore, ima just enjoy the music.

 

[Ghpstface]

it seems like you're speaking on this out of emotion rather than actual logic

and thats ok b/c this is art not the stock exchange breh

 

[Mindfield333]

but he's never written a thing in his life...

 

[jadillac]

Yeah a reference track won't be a perfectly clear and boisterous version of the song but the rapper still sounds like himself and isn't mumbling like he's half asleep like QM was. Matter of fact a reference track probably would likely show the rapper how to deliver the lines as well

None of these sound as lifeless as QM's reference tracks were. There's no mixing or reverb done on these songs neither

None of this matters. It depends on the person doing the reference track. If you're QM and know Drake is giving you $15-20K(if that much) and he's gonna go on to make millions, you're not gonna perform like ur life depended on it. AND if he's done it multiple times for Drake before, he knows what he needs to do. It's probably one take.

And he DID show Drake how to deliver lines down to the singing parts on that one track(I forget the name)

Let's not act like ppl weren't annoyed by Drake's voice when he came out. It's just that the music he put out was so good, it overshadowed his voice and ppl accepted it.

I mean of course in the end, the artist, Drake or whoever, is gonna do literally 10 takes of every line, modify it, and pick the best sounding one. This is no different that Beyonce getting a demo track from Ne-Yo, and saying "OK, you sang it like this, but I'm gonna change it to this"

 

[Mindfield333]

I don't agree with this stance.
Drake having ghost writers does not mean the vast majority of currently popular rappers are engaging in ghost writing .

All of his peers as far as I know, write their own songs and lyrics.
J. Cole takes pride in producing his records from top to bottom (not all of them but most of them..)
Kendrick Lamar takes pride in having an active hand driving the directions of his songs, even though he
isn't well versed in theory like Terrace martin or Thundercat, he's still a word smith and comes up
with the concepts and such.
Meek Mill, Wale, Lupe, B.o.B. and others all stress or have stressed that these are their lyrics
and by extension their songs.

And on much smaller scale projects dudes like Oddisee, Hopsin, Tech N9ne etc.
Handle the vast majority of the song writing duties and in Oddisee or Hopsin's case they handle
production as well !

Drake's ghost writing exposure might set a new precedent but as of right now, it's not a normal
thing at all and I think you'd agree on that.

that guy is TRASH. Oddisee and Hopsin dont belong in the same galaxy

 

[JMurder]

and thats ok b/c this is art not the stock exchange breh

To a certain extent yes you are right. You need SOME logic to base your emotion on which I'm not sure you are

 

[JMurder]

I don't agree with this stance.
Drake having ghost writers does not mean the vast majority of currently popular rappers are engaging in ghost writing .

All of his peers as far as I know, write their own songs and lyrics.
J. Cole takes pride in producing his records from top to bottom (not all of them but most of them..)
Kendrick Lamar takes pride in having an active hand driving the directions of his songs, even though he
isn't well versed in theory like Terrace martin or Thundercat, he's still a word smith and comes up
with the concepts and such.
Meek Mill, Wale, Lupe, B.o.B. and others all stress or have stressed that these are their lyrics
and by extension their songs.

And on much smaller scale projects dudes like Oddisee, Hopsin, Tech N9ne etc.
Handle the vast majority of the song writing duties and in Oddisee or Hopsin's case they handle
production as well !

Drake's ghost writing exposure might set a new precedent but as of right now, it's not a normal
thing at all and I think you'd agree on that.

It's a common thing for rappers to lift a bar/a few bars/a hook from their homie/another rapper/a producer and put a track out like that wrote every single word

 

[Mindfield333]

You just said DRAKE at first...

Look at these credits and read the other ones, you dikkrider.


If You're Reading This It's Too Late - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Track listing[edit]
No. Title Writer(s) Producer(s) Length
1. "Legend"

• Aubrey Graham
• Jahron Brathwaite
• Yung Nate
• Stephen Garrett
• Benjamin Bush
• Timothy Mosley

PartyNextDoor 4:01
2. "Energy"

• Aubrey Graham
• Matthew Samuels

• Boi-1da
• OB O'Brien[a]

3:01
3. "10 Bands"

• Aubrey Graham
• Quentin Miller
• Samuels
• Adam Feeney
• R. Thomas III

• Boi-1da
• Sevn Thomas[a]

2:57
4. "Know Yourself"

• Aubrey Graham
• Samuels
• Anderson Hernandez
• Joshua Scruggs
• Malcolm A. Nichols

• Boi-1da
• Vinylz[a]
• Syk Sense[a]

4:35
5. "No Tellin'"

• Aubrey Graham
• Miller
• Kenza Samir
• Samuels
• Feeney
• Tommy Paxton-Beesley

• Boi-1da
• Frank Dukes[a]

5:10
6. "Madonna"

• Aubrey Graham
• Noah Shebib
• Garrett
• Bush
• Mosley

Noah "40" Shebib 4:08
7. "6 God"

• Aubrey Graham
• Samuels
• Scruggs
• Wise

• Boi-1da
• Syk Sense

3:00
8. "Star67"

• Aubrey Graham
• Amir Obie
• E. Ahmed
• C. Essel
• D. Smith
• D Levy
• Jared "BK" Levy
• Brandn Shiraz
• Shebib

• NYLZ
• Most High
• Obie

4:55
9. "Preach" (featuring PartyNextDoor)

• Aubrey Graham
• Brathwaite
• Alicia Augello-Cook
• Kerry Brothers, Jr.
• Edwin Jantunen
• Shebib

PartyNextDoor 3:56
10. "Wednesday Night Interlude" (featuring PartyNextDoor)

• Brathwaite
• Ekali

PartyNextDoor 3:32
11. "Used To" (featuring Lil Wayne)

• Aubrey Graham
• Kyle J. Francis
• Dwayne Carter, Jr.
• Miller
• Samir
• Ebony Oshunrinde
• M. Giombini

Wondagurl 4:28
12. "6 Man"

• Aubrey Graham
• Miller
• Shebib

• Noah "40" Shebib
• Daxz[a]

2:47
13. "Now & Forever"

• Aubrey Graham
• G. Phillips
• Eric Dingus

• Dingus
• Jimmy Prime

4:41
14. "Company" (featuring Travi$ Scott)

• Aubrey Graham
• Jacques Webster
• Oshunrinde

• Wondagurl
• TM88
• Travi$ Scott

4:12
15. "You & the 6"

• Aubrey Graham
• Samuels
• Ramon Ilbanga, Jr.
• Shebib
• Allen Ritter

• Boi-1da
• Illmind[a]
• Noah "40" Shebib[a]

4:24
16. "Jungle"

• Aubrey Graham
• Gabriel Garzón-Montano
• Samir
• Shebib

Noah "40" Shebib 5:20
17. "6PM in New York" (bonus track)

• Aubrey Graham
• Samir
• Samuels
• Feeney
• Thomas III

• Boi-1da
• Frank Dukes[a]
• Sevn Thomas[a]

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE SONGWRITING SIDE OF THE EQUATION...on a supposed mixtape, you dikkriding stan? It's not a mixtape. Mixtapes involve djs. Mixtapes involve MIXING...hence the name MIXTAPE.

id like to see a good album that has one person listed as the writer in the credits

even illmatic has multiple people listed as writers

 

[mr.africa]

Who is the person who decides which tracks to put on the album. Who is the person who fleshes out a reference track into a full song? Who says "Yes" and "No". It ain't Quentin Miller. Who is it? 40? If it's ain't 40, it's Drake.

Drake takes songs and turns them into hits.

come up with a better excuse!
drake gets coached to say 'running through the six with my woes' and your like, but at least he knows what sounds good and told his people to put it on the album.
that is the reason why it is a hit.
NO.
it is a hit cause QM gave him a hit!!

 

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come up with a better excuse!
drake gets coached to say 'running through the six with my woes' and your like, but at least he knows what sounds good and told his people to put it on the album.
that is the reason why it is a hit.
NO.
it is a hit cause QM gave him a hit!!

Yeah but the song isn't a hit without Drake making it a hit. That's what I mean. But fukk it, I dont work for Drake. If ever I do, i'll spend time defending him. Til then, im just gonna enjoy his music.

 

[Edub]

You made this thread 10 times already

And there should be an 11th and 12th and 13th and 14th and so on until you slow muthafukkas get the point...

 

[Edub]

This is the mentality of today's rap fan.
Sales... Drake doesn't make much money from "sales". Cash Money and Baby is taking most of that. His WRITERS and PRODUCERS are getting some more of that seeing how he would own most of his publishing.

So "winning" is via endorsement deals which has nothing to do with music... and as far as "popularity" that's relative. Name me 10 people who know who Drake is and I can name you 10 who don't. This is about the MUSIC. If being a fraud in hip hop is cool then so be it. But don't try to say he "makes hit records" when he doesn't write or produce jack shyt.

He's a supporter at best in the process of hit records...but there is something to be said for showmanship(not everyone can perform in front of millions), and he does have some musical attributes or else he wouldn't have lasted at all...still, reciting the lyrics of another potential artist and just repeating there flow is offering NO CREATIVITY toward the project, his role is more or less that of an instrument, simply making the pleasant noise that's entering your ear, but nothing more.

If you like the Drake instrument cool...some people like the sax or the drums ...but an MC never allows his or herself to simply be an instrument, they must fill a creative role at all times in there projects, many times being so manic about them that they write all the material...hooks and all. Drake allows himself to be an instrument at times...that can never be an MC to me

 

[SunZoo]

if im riding a bike using training wheels im doing most of the work ....that doesnt change the fact that im a grown ass man riding a bike with training wheels looking like a fukking dork