How FBI fabricates Terror Plots on U.S. Soil

[thekingsmen]

No, but I'm not falling prey to straw man arguments when the feds actually DO stop acts of mass violence just so the calvary can swoop in and try to pretend that this is another case of a trumped up charge and a fall-guy.

Theres a reason a lot of these muslim radicals get caught in the process...and entrapment isn't the only reason.

I'll wait on you bringing the facts forward.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Believe in the Boogeyman when you are grown, brehs.

Believe every terrorist attack/mass act of violence is a false flag until an actual attack gets stopped in which case its then an entrapment case, therefore suggesting that cops neither stop crime nor protect against it, brehs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'll wait on you bringing the facts forward.

We have the facts of the case.

Whats worse is that you're quoting a website that takes a single narrative and stretches it to 5000+ characters.

Theres no evidence of this being entrapment and whats worse, you'd rather believe that there are no radicalized individuals of any back ground in the US than you would that instead the FBI just sets ALL of them up. Not some. But All.

You are truly not even worthy of the air you breathe.

 

[thekingsmen]

Believe every terrorist attack/mass act of violence is a false flag until an actual attack gets stopped in which case its then an entrapment case, therefore suggesting that cops neither stop crime nor protect against it, brehs

No proof I said ever said "all mass act of violence or terrorist attack are fake or false flags". When you can bring that proof forward.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

this guy deserves every year he gets

Nah. The FBI told him to start fraternizing with radical muslims online. They also controlled his hands and feet as he went to obtain money used to purchase weapons

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No proof I said ever said "all mass act of violence or terrorist attack are fake or false flags". When you can bring that proof forward.

Your argument to every official statement can't be "nuh-uh"

The government lies. I get that, but its on you to show where they lied and specifically about what.

You don't have carte blanche to take a red pen to every single sentence.

And whats funny is that you only know about the shyt they lied about and found out AFTER the fact. Never before. You trying to predict the next lie isn't putting you any closer to the truth.

 

[thekingsmen]

We have the facts of the case.

Whats worse is that you're quoting a website that takes a single narrative and stretches it to 5000+ characters.

Theres no evidence of this being entrapment and whats worse, you'd rather believe that there are no radicalized individuals of any back ground in the US than you would that instead the FBI just sets ALL of them up. Not some. But All.

You are truly not even worthy of the air you breathe.

So you don't like

1. Investigative reporting
2. Long detailed info on the story to make sense behind the situation
3. I know you don't look things up but look at the definition of entrapment. All the evidence you need.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Family members say Cornell converted to Islam just six months ago and claimed he began attending a small local mosque. Yet The Cincinnati Enquirer could not find a single person at that mosque who had ever seen him before, and noted that a young, white, recent convert would have been quite conspicuous at a mosque largely populated by “immigrants from West Africa,” many of whom “speak little or no English.”


Oh really?

What Mosque has ever claimed a radicalized muslim?

This is your line of evidence?

Glenn Douchewald is REACHING

 

[thekingsmen]

Your argument to every official statement can't be "nuh-uh"

The government lies. I get that, but its on you to show where they lied and specifically about what.

You don't have carte blanche to take a red pen to every single sentence.

And whats funny is that you only know about the shyt they lied about and found out AFTER the fact. Never before. You trying to predict the next lie isn't putting you any closer to the truth.

Ummm you didn't provide your evidence my friend. You go on and on.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So you don't like

1. Investigative reporting
2. Long detailed info on the story to make sense behind the situation
3. I know you don't look things up but look at the definition of entrapment. All the evidence you need.

1. I love investigative reporting. Not shytty clickbait based on conjecture and logical fallacies
2. theres no detailed information, merely attempts at pushing a counter narrative based on finding room in the margins
3. I know you don't wash your armpits, but you should. Your brand of bullshyt stinks.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ummm you didn't provide your evidence my friend. You go on and on.

Nor did you.

See, how this works?

I don't have to present anything btw. I have no problem with THIS particular story.

Everything checks out.

Do me a favor and read the comment sections on your this article. You'll see a lot of things you missed

 

[thekingsmen]

Family members say Cornell converted to Islam just six months ago and claimed he began attending a small local mosque. Yet The Cincinnati Enquirer could not find a single person at that mosque who had ever seen him before, and noted that a young, white, recent convert would have been quite conspicuous at a mosque largely populated by “immigrants from West Africa,” many of whom “speak little or no English.”


Oh really?

What Mosque has ever claimed a radicalized muslim?

This is your line of evidence?

Glenn Douchewald is REACHING

Provide evidence Glenn was lying. It should be really easy to find if he is....

 

[thekingsmen]

1. I love investigative reporting. Not shytty clickbait based on conjecture and logical fallacies
2. theres no detailed information, merely attempts at pushing a counter narrative based on finding room in the margins
3. I know you don't wash your armpits, but you should. Your brand of bullshyt stinks.

1. If investigative reporting is something you love, why isn't this the only article by investigative reporters speaking on entrapment of muslims.
2. No detailed info

3.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...terror-u-s-plot-deserves-scrutiny-skepticism/

Latest FBI Claim of Disrupted Terror Plot Deserves Much Scrutiny and Skepticism
By Glenn Greenwald and Andrew Fishman
@ggreenwald@AndrewDFish
01/16/2015

The Justice Department on Wednesday issued a press release trumpeting its latest success in disrupting a domestic terrorism plot, announcing that “the Joint Terrorism Task Force has arrested a Cincinnati-area man for a plot to attack the U.S. Capitol and kill government officials.” The alleged would-be terrorist is 20-year-old Christopher Cornell (above), who is unemployed, lives at home, spends most of his time playing video games in his bedroom, still addresses his mother as “Mommy” and regards his cat as his best friend; he was described as “a typical student” and “quiet but not overly reserved” by the principal of the local high school he graduated in 2012.

The affidavit filed by an FBI investigative agent alleges Cornell had “posted comments and information supportive of [ISIS] through Twitter accounts.” The FBI learned about Cornell from an unnamed informant who, as the FBI put it, “began cooperating with the FBI in order to obtain favorable treatment with respect to his criminal exposure on an unrelated case.” Acting under the FBI’s direction, the informant arranged two in-person meetings with Cornell where they allegedly discussed an attack on the Capitol, and the FBI says it arrested Cornell to prevent him from carrying out the attack.

Family members say Cornell converted to Islam just six months ago and claimed he began attending a small local mosque. Yet The Cincinnati Enquirer could not find a single person at that mosque who had ever seen him before, and noted that a young, white, recent convert would have been quite conspicuous at a mosque largely populated by “immigrants from West Africa,” many of whom “speak little or no English.”

The DOJ’s press release predictably generated an avalanche of scary media headlines hailing the FBI. CNN: “FBI says plot to attack U.S. Capitol was ready to go.” MSNBC: “US terror plot foiled by FBI arrest of Ohio man.” Wall St. Journal: “Ohio Man Charged With Plotting ISIS-Inspired Attack on U.S. Capitol.”



Just as predictably, political officials instantly exploited the news to justify their powers of domestic surveillance. House Speaker John Boehner claimed yesterday that “the National Security Agency’s snooping powers helped stop a plot to attack the Capitol and that his colleagues need to keep that in mind as they debate whether to renew the law that allows the government to collect bulk information from its citizens.” He warned: “We live in a dangerous country, and we get reminded every week of the dangers that are out there.”

The known facts from this latest case seem to fit well within a now-familiar FBI pattern whereby the agency does not disrupt planned domestic terror attacks but rather creates them, then publicly praises itself for stopping its own plots.

First, they target a Muslim: not due to any evidence of intent or capability to engage in terrorism, but rather for the “radical” political views he expresses. In most cases, the Muslim targeted by the FBI is a very young (late teens, early 20s), adrift, unemployed loner who has shown no signs of mastering basic life functions, let alone carrying out a serious terror attack, and has no known involvement with actual terrorist groups.

Wait.

Hold up

So the FBI is targeting people who are innate losers themselves?

And its the FBI's fault these dudes make up a majority of the ISLAMIC terrorists?

WOW. GREAT argument.

Lets go look for KKK members at the BET Awards

They then find another Muslim who is highly motivated to help disrupt a “terror plot”: either because they’re being paid substantial sums of money by the FBI or because (as appears to be the case here) they are charged with some unrelated crime and are desperate to please the FBI in exchange for leniency (or both). The FBI then gives the informant a detailed attack plan, and sometimes even the money and other instruments to carry it out, and the informant then shares all of that with the target. Typically, the informant also induces, lures, cajoles, and persuades the target to agree to carry out the FBI-designed plot. In some instances where the target refuses to go along, they have their informant offer huge cash inducements to the impoverished target.

Too bad. Don't be stupid enough to be convinced to do something like that.

Once they finally get the target to agree, the FBI swoops in at the last minute, arrests the target, issues a press release praising themselves for disrupting a dangerous attack (which it conceived of, funded, and recruited the operatives for), and the DOJ and federal judges send their target to prison for years or even decades (where they are kept in special GITMO-like units). Subservient U.S. courts uphold the charges by applying such a broad and permissive interpretation of “entrapment” that it could almost never be successfully invoked. As AP noted last night, “defense arguments have repeatedly failed with judges, and the stings have led to many convictions.”

Sounds like Gang Interdiction policy to me

Consider the truly remarkable (yet not aberrational) 2011 prosecution of James Cromitie, an impoverished African-American Muslim convert who had expressed anti-Semitic views but, at the age of 45, had never evinced any inclination to participate in a violent attack. For eight months, the FBI used an informant – one who was on the hook for another crime and whom the FBI was paying – to try to persuade Cromitie to agree to join a terror plot which the FBI had concocted. And for eight months, he adamantly refused. Only when they dangled a payment of $250,000 in front of him right as he lost his job did he finally assent, causing the FBI to arrest him. The DOJ trumpeted the case as a major terrorism arrest, obtained a prosecution and sent him to prison for 25 years.

Welp. He fukked up, didn't he? You can't joint a terror plot because your life starts to suck.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...terror-u-s-plot-deserves-scrutiny-skepticism/

The federal judge presiding over his case, Colleen McMahon, repeatedly lambasted the government for wholly manufacturing the plot. When sentencing him to decades in prison, she said Cromitie “was incapable of committing an act of terrorism on his own,” and that it was the FBI which “created acts of terrorism out of his fantasies of bravado and bigotry, and then made those fantasies come true.” She added: “only the government could have made a terrorist out of Mr. Cromitie, whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope.”

This is no different from "Al-Qaeda (or whatever)" reaching him first and giving him the money.

Again.

I don't care.

In her written ruling upholding the conviction, Judge McMahon noted that Cromitie “had successfully resisted going too far for eight months,” and agreed only after “the Government dangled what had to be almost irresistible temptation in front of an impoverished man from what I have come (after literally dozens of cases) to view as the saddest and most dysfunctional community in the Southern District of New York.” It was the FBI’s own informant, she wrote, who “was the prime mover and instigator of all the criminal activity that occurred.” She then wrote (emphasis added):

Thats like saying Sandusky TRIED HIS HARDEST not to fukk little kids...but he gave into temptation...He deserves credit for trying, right???

As it turns out, the Government did absolutely everything that the defense predicted in its previous motion to dismiss the indictment. The Government indisputably “manufactured” the crimes of which defendants stand convicted. The Government invented all of the details of the scheme - many of them, such as the trip to Connecticut and the inclusion of Stewart AFB as a target, for specific legal purposes of which the defendants could not possibly have been aware (the former gave rise to federal jurisdiction and the latter mandated a twenty-five year minimum sentence). The Government selected the targets. The Government designed and built the phony ordnance that the defendants planted (or planned to plant) at Government-selected targets. The Government provided every item used in the plot: cameras, cell phones, cars, maps and even a gun. The Government did all the driving (as none of the defendants had a car or a driver’s license). The Government funded the entire project. And the Government, through its agent, offered the defendants large sums of money, contingent on their participation in the heinous scheme.

And the suspect put himself in a position to get caught.

I have no problem in locking this assclown up and sending a message to other on-lookers.

Additionally, before deciding that the defendants (particularly Cromitie, who was in their sights for nine months) presented any real danger, the Government appears to have done minimal due diligence, relying instead on reports from its Confidential Informant, who passed on information about Cromitie information that could easily have been verified (or not verified, since much of it was untrue), but that no one thought it necessary to check before offering a jihadist opportunity to a man who had no contact with any extremist groups and no history of anything other than drug crimes.

And yet...he made connection with a jihadist group

On another occasion, Judge McMahon wrote: “There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that James Cromitie could never have dreamed up the scenario in which he actually became involved. And if by some chance he had, he would not have had the slightest idea how to make it happen.” She added that while “Cromitie, who was desperately poor, accepted meals and rent money from [the informant], he repeatedly backed away from his violent statements when it came time to act on them,” and that “only when the offers became outrageously high–and when Cromitie was particularly vulnerable to them, because he had lost his job–did he finally succumb.”

If you can be convinced to suck a dikk, what does that make you?

This is pre-emptory prosecution: targeting citizens not for their criminal behavior but for their political views. It’s an attempt by the U.S. Government to anticipate who will become a criminal at some point in the future based on their expressed political opinions – not unlike the dystopian premise of Minority Report – and then exploiting the FBI’s vast financial, organizational, and even psychological resources, along with the individuals’ vulnerabilities, to make it happen.

Radical islam isn't just a "political view"

When you choose to engage in acts of violence the line gets drawn.

This is not even the slightest tinge of thought crime.

Glenn Greenwald isn't even trying anymore.

In 2005, federal appellate judge A. Wallace Tashima – the first Japanese-American appointed to the federal bench, who was imprisoned in an U.S. internment camp – vehemently dissented from one of the worst such prosecutions and condemned these FBI cases as “the unsettling and untoward consequences of the government’s use of anticipatory prosecution as a weapon in the ‘war on terrorism.'”

Does it suck that this guy was GULLIBLE enough to be convinced?

Sure.

But whose fault is that?

There are countless similar cases where the FBI triumphantly disrupts its own plots, causing people to be imprisoned as terrorists who would not and could not have acted on their own. Trevor Aaronson has comprehensively covered what amounts to the FBI’s own domestic terror network, and has reported that “nearly half [of all DOJ terrorism] prosecutions involved the use of informants, many of them incentivized by money (operatives can be paid as much as $100,000 per assignment) or the need to work off criminal or immigration violation.” He documents “49 [terrorism] defendants [who] participated in plots led by an agent provocateur—an FBI operative instigating terrorist action.” In 2012, Petra Bartosiewicz in The Nation reviewed the post-9/11 body of terrorism cases and concluded:

Sounds like Taxpayer money well spent.