HOW in the hell was Pac better than Nas at rapping?

[killa the goat]

Complex meaning what?

complex rhyme schemes more then one syllable rhyming etc.

 

[JustCKing]

lmao i read the rest of the post pac can do that also.

Not saying that Pac didn't. Nas did it/does it on a consistent basis and the way he set it up was different and more complex than how Pac did. That's not saying that he was better, just more complex. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

Yo, my mind is seeing through your design like blind fury
I shine jewelry sipping on crushed grapes, we lust papes
And push cakes inside the casket at Just wake
It's sickening, he just finished bidding upstate
And now the projects is talking that somebody gotta die shyt
It's logic as long as it's nobody that's in my clique
My man Smoke know how to expand coke in Mr. Coffee
Feds cost me two mill' to get the system off me
Life's a bytch but God-forbid the bytch divorce me
I'll be flooded with ice so hell fire can't scorch me
Cuban cigars meeting Foxy at the Mosque
Moving cars, your top papi Señor Escobar

Nas, "Affirmative Action"

Jewelry doesn't rhyme with fury on paper, but Nas's pronunciation made it rhyme to rhyme the three syllables in "blind fury". He does it again with Mosque to continue tthe scheme he started with cigars and ends with Escobar.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Not saying that Pac didn't. Nas did it/does it on a consistent basis and the way he set it up was different and more complex than how Pac did. That's not saying that he was better, just more complex. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

Yo, my mind is seeing through your design like blind fury
I shine jewelry sipping on crushed grapes, we lust papes
And push cakes inside the casket at Just wake
It's sickening, he just finished bidding upstate
And now the projects is talking that somebody gotta die shyt
It's logic as long as it's nobody that's in my clique
My man Smoke know how to expand coke in Mr. Coffee
Feds cost me two mill' to get the system off me
Life's a bytch but God-forbid the bytch divorce me
I'll be flooded with ice so hell fire can't scorch me
Cuban cigars meeting Foxy at the Mosque
Moving cars, your top papi Señor Escobar

Nas, "Affirmative Action"

Jewelry doesn't rhyme with fury on paper, but Nas's pronunciation made it rhyme to rhyme the three syllables in "blind fury". He does it again with Mosque to continue tthe scheme he started with cigars and ends with Escobar.

this shyt is complex?
no wonder yall nikkaz dont get actual lyrics...

Extreme at times
Blinded by my passion and fury
Look at me laugh at my competition flashin' my jewelry -

but when naS does it, its complex

 

[JustCKing]

this shyt is complex?
no wonder yall nikkaz dont get actual lyrics...

In meaning? No. The technique is though.

 

[killa the goat]

Not saying that Pac didn't. Nas did it/does it on a consistent basis and the way he set it up was different and more complex than how Pac did. That's not saying that he was better, just more complex. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

Yo, my mind is seeing through your design like blind fury
I shine jewelry sipping on crushed grapes, we lust papes
And push cakes inside the casket at Just wake
It's sickening, he just finished bidding upstate
And now the projects is talking that somebody gotta die shyt
It's logic as long as it's nobody that's in my clique
My man Smoke know how to expand coke in Mr. Coffee
Feds cost me two mill' to get the system off me
Life's a bytch but God-forbid the bytch divorce me
I'll be flooded with ice so hell fire can't scorch me
Cuban cigars meeting Foxy at the Mosque
Moving cars, your top papi Señor Escobar

Nas, "Affirmative Action"

Jewelry doesn't rhyme with fury on paper, but Nas's pronunciation made it rhyme to rhyme the three syllables in "blind fury". He does it again with Mosque to continue tthe scheme he started with cigars and ends with Escobar.

ok now i have a better understanding of what u trying to say not saying that i agree with this just saying i have a better understanding of what u trying to say
also this is called bending rhyming like nas completely changed the pronuncation of the syllables to make it rhyme

because slant rhyming is just rhyming syllables with similar consonants what nas did in the exmple u provided is just completey changing the pronouncation of the syllables to make it rhyme.

pac did slant rhyming all the time along with multisyllable rhyming and was not only better at but did it on a more consistent basis.

 

[killa the goat]

this shyt is complex?
no wonder yall nikkaz dont get actual lyrics...

Extreme at times
Blinded by my passion and fury
Look at me laugh at my competition flashin' my jewelry -

but when naS does it, its complex

lmao pac did the same thing nas does in these two lines but nas gets more credit thank u homie for pointing out all this bullshyt !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[intilectual recipricol]

lmao pac did the same thing nas does in these two lines but nas gets more credit thank u homie for pointing out all this bullshyt !!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah man, these nikkaz dont know shyt.... just talk bullshyt all day holdin and strollin on naS dikk. Now will that mark @JustCKing come back and change his stance and claim that Pac is at least as technically skilled as naS? Of course not, these nikkaz survive by suckin naS cock.

 

[killa the goat]

@JustCKing im going to show u what slant rhyming is

first off perfect rhyme has to be what it suggests sound perfect

cat hat bat rat = perfect
blue grew to woo =perfect

slant rhyming for cat would be something like this
pap rap tap crack rack mack etc

slant rhyming for blue would be news blues snooze etc

pac could do this all day example


Why explain the game? nikkaz ain't listenin
Stuck in positions. If victims can't stand the heat
Then stay the fukk out the kitchen
Have these bustas switchin, lookin at me mean
Itchin, givin suckas plenty space
Have these bytch nikkaz snitchin
Where are we now? Guns found daily, the feds surely hope
that they could finally nail me for sellin dope
They backwards, make tracks burst whenever I rap
Attack, words bein known to explode on contact
Extreme at times, blinded by my passion and fury
Look at me laugh at my competition flashin my jewelry
You'd stay silent if you nikkaz knew me, truly effective
The shyt you heard ain't do me justice - got a death wish, bytch!
Run up, face me and trace wit an infared beam
It seems nikkaz ain't recognize my team
Ain't nobody holdin you back, explode the track to confetti
Unload it, cause nikkaz ain't ready - the life of an outlaw!

 

[JustCKing]

this shyt is complex?
no wonder yall nikkaz dont get actual lyrics...

Extreme at times
Blinded by my passion and fury
Look at me laugh at my competition flashin' my jewelry -

but when naS does it, its complex

There's more examples than just that verse though:

And be prosperous, though we live dangerous
Cops could just arrest me, blaming us, we're held like hostages
It's only right that I was born to use mics
And the stuff that I write is even tougher than dykes
I'm taking rappers to a new plateau, through rap slow
My rhymin' is a vitamin held without a capsule

^^^Nas, "NY State of Mind"

ituations I be kickin' just you get you pacin'
That attentive, parental supervision, you should do the diction
Street chronicles, struggles and losses
Can make a nikka's moms hang up crosses and horseshoes
I brought you, to that state of mind you needed
By now your weeded, bob your head, recline seated
And put your life inside the shoes of the shiestiest crews
With sports cars and the iciest jewels, Ya know the rules
In this street life, by now the beasts might be least white
Stash your heat right, my pop passed the peace pipe
And shed light on, he put me right on
To be an icon, cause dead nikkas got they name wrote up in krylon
The fast life, fistfights, that shyt could like amuse me
Some chose a road some nikkas died so what's to choosin'?
At night time it especially addresses me
Preferably, around 10, when my weed cipher begin
We start buggin' on facts, half the facts that's for sure
Put your zone in my world if we adapt, crack, and pour
Make a toast yo that's how we break bread together
Probably when we dead be better, the problems ahead whatever
Courvoisier sippin', whippin' out-of-state missions
And just in case your snitchin', the safe's hidden
With these conniving things, nikkas make it to obvs (obvious) to bring
Hatred to enterprising cream, advise your team to wiser schemes.

^^^ Nas, "Sinful Living"

 

[killa the goat]

Yeah man, these nikkaz dont know shyt.... just talk bullshyt all day holdin and strollin on naS dikk. Now will that mark @JustCKing come back and change his stance and claim that Pac is at least as technically skilled as naS? Of course not, these nikkaz survive by suckin naS cock.

yeah i mean dude don't even know what slant rhyming is so i forgive him i mean because what he thinks is slant rhyming is what i call accent rhyming people have different ways of pronouncing syllables and different dialects etc so what may not rhyme in my accent may rhyme in his so that style of rhyming is subjective

but perfect rhyming and slant rhyming is not so subjective

and also he thinks multies are exlcusive to elite lyricist and im like dude everybody and they mama does multis hell even gucci mane more recently waka flocka just spit a multi lmao so it ain't that hard to do lmao.

 

[killa the goat]

There's more examples than just that verse though:

And be prosperous, though we live dangerous
Cops could just arrest me, blaming us, we're held like hostages
It's only right that I was born to use mics
And the stuff that I write is even tougher than dykes
I'm taking rappers to a new plateau, through rap slow
My rhymin' is a vitamin held without a capsule

^^^Nas, "NY State of Mind"

ituations I be kickin' just you get you pacin'
That attentive, parental supervision, you should do the diction
Street chronicles, struggles and losses
Can make a nikka's moms hang up crosses and horseshoes
I brought you, to that state of mind you needed
By now your weeded, bob your head, recline seated
And put your life inside the shoes of the shiestiest crews
With sports cars and the iciest jewels, Ya know the rules
In this street life, by now the beasts might be least white
Stash your heat right, my pop passed the peace pipe
And shed light on, he put me right on
To be an icon, cause dead nikkas got they name wrote up in krylon
The fast life, fistfights, that shyt could like amuse me
Some chose a road some nikkas died so what's to choosin'?
At night time it especially addresses me
Preferably, around 10, when my weed cipher begin
We start buggin' on facts, half the facts that's for sure
Put your zone in my world if we adapt, crack, and pour
Make a toast yo that's how we break bread together
Probably when we dead be better, the problems ahead whatever
Courvoisier sippin', whippin' out-of-state missions
And just in case your snitchin', the safe's hidden
With these conniving things, nikkas make it to obvs (obvious) to bring
Hatred to enterprising cream, advise your team to wiser schemes.

^^^ Nas, "Sinful Living"

Lord have mercy, father help us all
Since you supplied yo' phone number, I can't help but call
Time for action, conversatin, we relaxin, kickin back
Got you curious for Thug Passion, now picture that

makaveli toss it up.

 

[JustCKing]

yeah i mean dude don't even know what slant rhyming is so i forgive him i mean because what he thinks is slant rhyming is what i call accent rhyming people have different ways of pronouncing syllables and different dialects etc so what may not rhyme in my accent may rhyme in his so that style of rhyming is subjective

but perfect rhyming and slant rhyming is not so subjective

and also he thinks multies are exlcusive to elite lyricist and im like dude everybody and they mama does multis hell even gucci mane more recently waka flocka just spit a multi lmao so it ain't that hard to do.

How are jewelry and fury not slant rhymes though? The stressed syllables rhyme, but are not identical.

I never said that multis are exclusive to elite lyricists.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

There's more examples than just that verse though:

And be prosperous, though we live dangerous
Cops could just arrest me, blaming us, we're held like hostages
It's only right that I was born to use mics
And the stuff that I write is even tougher than dykes
I'm taking rappers to a new plateau, through rap slow
My rhymin' is a vitamin held without a capsule

^^^Nas, "NY State of Mind"

ituations I be kickin' just you get you pacin'
That attentive, parental supervision, you should do the diction
Street chronicles, struggles and losses
Can make a nikka's moms hang up crosses and horseshoes
I brought you, to that state of mind you needed
By now your weeded, bob your head, recline seated
And put your life inside the shoes of the shiestiest crews
With sports cars and the iciest jewels, Ya know the rules
In this street life, by now the beasts might be least white
Stash your heat right, my pop passed the peace pipe
And shed light on, he put me right on
To be an icon, cause dead nikkas got they name wrote up in krylon
The fast life, fistfights, that shyt could like amuse me
Some chose a road some nikkas died so what's to choosin'?
At night time it especially addresses me
Preferably, around 10, when my weed cipher begin
We start buggin' on facts, half the facts that's for sure
Put your zone in my world if we adapt, crack, and pour
Make a toast yo that's how we break bread together
Probably when we dead be better, the problems ahead whatever
Courvoisier sippin', whippin' out-of-state missions
And just in case your snitchin', the safe's hidden
With these conniving things, nikkas make it to obvs (obvious) to bring
Hatred to enterprising cream, advise your team to wiser schemes.

^^^ Nas, "Sinful Living"

Nevermind the lyrics are shytty as fukk...

WTF is "rap slow" how can you do anything through "rap slow?"

If you think that shyt is impressive you must be awe struck by a real rapper like Twista, whose technique absolutely shyts on naS' without shytty ass bars like the ones youve quoted.

Tell me Lord can ya feel me, show a sign
Damn near running outta time, everybody's dyin
Mama raised a hellrazor, can't figure
Why you let the police beat down nikkas
I'm startin to think all the rich in the world is safe
While the po' babies restin in the early graves
God come save the youth
Ain't nothin else to do but have faith in you
Dear Lord I live the life of a Thug, hope you understand
Forgive me for my mistakes, I gotta play my hand
And my hand's on the sixteen-shot, semi-automatic
Crooked cop killin Glock, -

Pac still shyttin on naS lyrically without doing anything through "rap slow"

 

[JustCKing]

Lord have mercy, father help us all
Since you supplied yo' phone number, I can't help but call
Time for action, conversatin, we relaxin, kickin back
Got you curious for Thug Passion, now picture that

makaveli toss it up.

The only words that rhyme in what you posted are "that" and "back" and it's the stress on the vowel "a" that's rhymed.

 

[JustCKing]

Nevermind the lyrics are shytty as fukk...

WTF is "rap slow" how can you do anything through "rap slow?"

If you think that shyt is impressive you must be awe struck by a real rapper like Twista, whose technique absolutely shyts on naS' without shytty ass bars like the ones youve quoted.

Tell me Lord can ya feel me, show a sign
Damn near running outta time, everybody's dyin
Mama raised a hellrazor, can't figure
Why you let the police beat down nikkas
I'm startin to think all the rich in the world is safe
While the po' babies restin in the early graves
God come save the youth
Ain't nothin else to do but have faith in you
Dear Lord I live the life of a Thug, hope you understand
Forgive me for my mistakes, I gotta play my hand
And my hand's on the sixteen-shot, semi-automatic
Crooked cop killin Glock, -

Pac still shyttin on naS lyrically without doing anything through "rap slow"

Notice I never even discussed the breakdown or meaning of the lyrics. I'm talking about the technique. You think Nas is wack. I get it. What I don't get is what exactly are you arguing. All I said was one was more complex, not necessarily meaning better.