How is it possible for the Universe to be created out of Nothing (Christian response vid)

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So do you think the scientists have chosen to dismiss his quote just because they want to believe different to you? Seems kinda sloppy.

Scientists have said all the evidence of the theory of evolution can fit in a file folder box. There are others out saying the same thing. Evolution is taught in schools despite the lack of evidence Darwin himself talked about.
 

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Scientists have said all the evidence of the theory of evolution can fit in a file folder box. There are others out saying the same thing. Evolution is taught in schools despite the lack of evidence Darwin himself talked about.

Did they now? Do you have a citation for this scientific claim or a photograph of the file folder box?
 

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Did they now? Do you have a citation for this scientific claim or a photograph of the file folder box?

Belief in evolution is a remarkable phenomenon. It is a belief passionately defended by the scientific establishment, despite the lack of any observable scientific evidence for macroevolution (that is, evolution from one distinct kind of organism into another). - Henry Morris Ph.D.

99% of the biology of any organism resides in its soft anatomy, which is inaccessible in a fossil. - Michael Denton.

The fossil evidence is open to many interpretations because individual specimens can be reconstructed in a variety of ways, and because the fossil record can not establish ancestor - descendent relationships. - Jonathan Wells.

The history of most fossil species include two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism: 1.) Statis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappeared; Morphological change is usually limited and directionless. 2.) Sudden Appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and "fully formed". - Harvard professor Stephen Jay Gould (an evolutionist)
 
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Belief in evolution is a remarkable phenomenon. It is a belief passionately defended by the scientific establishment, despite the lack of any observable scientific evidence for macroevolution (that is, evolution from one distinct kind of organism into another). - Henry Morris Ph.D.

99% of the biology of any organism resides in its soft anatomy, which is inaccessible in a fossil. - Michael Denton.

The fossil evidence is open to many interpretations because individual specimens can be reconstructed in a variety of ways, and because the fossil record can not establish ancestor - descendent relationships. - Jonathan Wells.

The history of most fossil species include two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism: 1.) Statis. Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappeared; Morphological change is usually limited and directionless. 2.) Sudden Appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and "fully formed". - Harvard professor Stephen Jay Gould (an evolutionist)

Look I understand if you don't believe man evolved from earlier organisms but as a religious type your answer is man and all creatures were formed from the clay dirt of the earth into their fully formed selves? That's how pots are made. Do you know this?
 

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Look I understand if you don't believe man evolved from earlier organisms but as a religious type your answer is man and all creatures were formed from the clay dirt of the earth into their fully formed selves? That's how pots are made. Do you know this?

Not all. Just Adam. Eve was a part of Adam and everyone else was a natural birth. The main point against Darwin is there are only four living proteins. They have to be in a particular order. Darwin didn't know that. DNA has only had the same four proteins. Even as far back as they can DNA test they only find the same four. There are over 60k proteins and the chance of getting the four correct let alone once. An Amoeba has enough DNA to fill over 40k sets of encyclopedias. Getting the same four over 40k times without any of the other 60k proteins is almost if not mathematically impossible.

Even as others have said (not me) which came first? The mouth, stomach or digestive system.

The only reason it is taught in schools is because of a lawsuit in Tennessee (or one state in that vicinity) and they picked one guy to be the defendant. Not because of evidence but because of a lawsuit. The john scopes trial in 1925.
 

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Not all. Just Adam. Eve was a part of Adam and everyone else was a natural birth. The main point against Darwin is there are only four living proteins. They have to be in a particular order. Darwin didn't know that. DNA has only had the same four proteins. Even as far back as they can DNA test they only find the same four. There are over 60k proteins and the chance of getting the four correct let alone once. An Amoeba has enough DNA to fill over 40k sets of encyclopedias. Getting the same four over 40k times without any of the other 60k proteins is almost if not mathematically impossible.

Even as others have said (not me) which came first? The mouth, stomach or digestive system.

The only reason it is taught in schools is because of a lawsuit in Tennessee (or one state in that vicinity) and they picked one guy to be the defendant. Not because of evidence but because of a lawsuit. The john scopes trial in 1925.

You've managed to pick all these problems with evolution but within your first four words you acknowledge one man was made from clay. No questions about proteins when it comes to clay.

Just Adam was made from clay? Eve was made from a rib. What about all the creatures I mentioned. Including the many variants of ape that us crazies think led to humans of today. Also dinosaurs and all those fully formed creatures of which were fully formed and not evolved from an earlier, very similar creature.

Pots are made from clay. Do you know this?
 

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You've managed to pick all these problems with evolution but within your first four words you acknowledge one man was made from clay. No questions about proteins when it comes to clay.

Just Adam was made from clay? Eve was made from a rib. What about all the creatures I mentioned. Including the many variants of ape that us crazies think led to humans of today. Also dinosaurs and all those fully formed creatures of which were fully formed and not evolved from an earlier, very similar creature.

Pots are made from clay. Do you know this?

I said one man because you said all. The issue is genetic scientists do say humans have a common ancestor. I believe it is Adam. Even Noah and his family also descended from Adam.

If God created the universe I have no problem with him making a man. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust.

Nothing can be proven to link we came from them. Fossils cannot provide ancestral-descendent relationships. They could be siblings or a separate species. We have no way of knowing.

The only thing I can say is if animals evolve that means all DNA has to contain all future animals also. But there is no evolution evidence even among humans. Eskimos still need clothing despite living in cold weather for centuries. In animals no poodle has evolved into the size of a great date. No crossovers have ever been seen. Even if you count the duck tail platypus it has not evolved into anything else.
 

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I said one man because you said all. The issue is genetic scientists do say humans have a common ancestor. I believe it is Adam. Even Noah and his family also descended from Adam.

If God created the universe I have no problem with him making a man. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust.

Nothing can be proven to link we came from them. Fossils cannot provide ancestral-descendent relationships. They could be siblings or a separate species. We have no way of knowing.

The only thing I can say is if animals evolve that means all DNA has to contain all future animals also. But there is no evolution evidence even among humans. Eskimos still need clothing despite living in cold weather for centuries. In animals no poodle has evolved into the size of a great date. No crossovers have ever been seen. Even if you count the duck tail platypus it has not evolved into anything else.

Whether it's one man or many it doesn't make a difference. You have no issue with a living human being formed from dirt yet you have trouble with one coming from a slightly genetically different one and so on for billions of years.

It is nothing more than magic. And you have no issue with that. And all the explanation you need is "it was magic".

Your bringing up of eskimos, poodles and platypus and needing to witness them change into other creatures within a human timeframe demonstrate that you don't understand evolution.
 

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Whether it's one man or many it doesn't make a difference. You have no issue with a living human being formed from dirt yet you have trouble with one coming from a slightly genetically different one and so on for billions of years.

It is nothing more than magic. And you have no issue with that. And all the explanation you need is "it was magic".

Your bringing up of eskimos, poodles and platypus and needing to witness them change into other creatures within a human timeframe demonstrate that you don't understand evolution.

Evolution would say an Eskimo could evolve into something else due to natural selection.

Even deeper than proteins are the amino acids in which they are made out of. According to Borel's Law of impossibility:

So, since Borel's Law indicates that it's ridiculous to consider probabilities with odds of less than 1 in 1050, that what does that tell us about whether or not a protein could "create itself" accidentally?

Well, 1 in 10130 is trillions of times less likely than 1 in 1050—meaning, if 1 in 1050 is scientifically absurd, then seriously considering that just one protein could come about by chance is "absurd" multiplied one hundred million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times.

Thus, even the formation of one, simple protein is so far beyond "mathematical impossibility" that anyone who seriously believes it happened is uniformed, deceived, or incapable of grasping the truth.

And remember, there are approximately 2,000,000 currently discovered proteins in the human body!

Over 3.2 Billion DNA in each cell and Trillions of cells. If all we can see are the success mathematically speaking there should be bodies taller than mountains with the mathematical failures.
 

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Evolution would say an Eskimo could evolve into something else due to natural selection.

Even deeper than proteins are the amino acids in which they are made out of. According to Borel's Law of impossibility:

So, since Borel's Law indicates that it's ridiculous to consider probabilities with odds of less than 1 in 1050, that what does that tell us about whether or not a protein could "create itself" accidentally?

Well, 1 in 10130 is trillions of times less likely than 1 in 1050—meaning, if 1 in 1050 is scientifically absurd, then seriously considering that just one protein could come about by chance is "absurd" multiplied one hundred million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion times.

Thus, even the formation of one, simple protein is so far beyond "mathematical impossibility" that anyone who seriously believes it happened is uniformed, deceived, or incapable of grasping the truth.

And remember, there are approximately 2,000,000 currently discovered proteins in the human body!

Over 3.2 Billion DNA in each cell and Trillions of cells. If all we can see are the success mathematically speaking there should be bodies taller than mountains with the mathematical failures.

And what are the odds of clay being formed into a human being? Show your workings.
 

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And what are the odds of clay being formed into a human being? Show your workings.

We have two different points on the table. My view is the Christian view which says God who created the universe made Adam from dust. The other point says from primordial ooze evolution is a series of chemical reactions to where we are today.

No human witnessed either event. The choice is upto the individual.

My choice is no secret. Is your choice the opposite?
 

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We have two different points on the table. My view is the Christian view which says God who created the universe made Adam from dust. The other point says from primordial ooze evolution is a series of chemical reactions to where we are today.

No human witnessed either event. The choice is upto the individual.

My choice is no secret. Is your choice the opposite?

So in other words you can't work it out? Are you just accepting magic as an answer then?
 

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So in other words you can't work it out? Are you just accepting magic as an answer then?

Would that be the equivalent of me asking you to prove evolution considering the fact we only see the successes and none of the failures?
 

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Would that be the equivalent of me asking you to prove evolution considering the fact we only see the successes and none of the failures?

Again, you don't understand evolution. Seeing as the mutations that lead to better survival are what ensures better survival you're less likely to see negative evolutionary aspects.

But that's not the point. The point is you have all these quotes and maths and probability for why evolution couldn't have happened but you're happy to accept a complete improbability about a fully formed human being formed from clay. All you need to do is show me how that is more probable because you believe it is.
 
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