How Is It So Hard For Democrats To Debate The Issue of Abortion With Republicans???

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Ever since Republican politicians have been using the governorship and legislative power across the country to boost conservative morale on abortion (mainly a vehicle to get an overturn Roe v Wade in the SCOTUS) Dems have just been mostly hush or lack a strong counter argument.

Why hasn't any Democrat activist or politician made abortion an economic issue and press Republicans to address the economic needs of low-income women dealing with unwanted/unplanned pregnancies (wages, day care cost, free access to BC, etc.)?

The argument is much more sound and solid than issuing A class felonies for doctors performing abortion procedures.

I just saw that Alabama State Senator arguing over abortion and I was just like.....wow it can't be that hard to argue this topic.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Ever since Republican politicians have been using the governorship and legislative power across the country to boost conservative morale on abortion (mainly a vehicle to get an overturn Roe v Wade in the SCOTUS) Dems have just been mostly hush or lack a strong counter argument.

Why hasn't any Democrat activist or politician made abortion an economic issue and press Republicans to address the economic needs of low-income women dealing with unwanted/unplanned pregnancies (wages, day care cost, free access to BC, etc.)?

The argument is much more sound and solid than issuing A class felonies for doctors performing abortion procedures.

I just saw that Alabama State Senator arguing over abortion and I was just like.....wow it can't be that hard to argue this topic.

Because in the end, the GOP uses Religion in order to bolster their position

If you can make something a religious issue, it will be unassailable because people in this country will always choose their religion over logic or any sort of nuanced reasoning.

You can't debate with people who will, in the end, simply claim that "God spoke to them" and told them how to move regarding something.

We are at least another 50 years away from removing this religious idiocy from government...their numbers are falling but the old pieces of shyt are living longer too so...

 

[the cac mamba]

because at the end of the day, you're taking an egg beater to a fetus that would eventually be a baby

dont get me wrong, im as pro-abortion as anyone else. but i wont act like it's not kind of an ugly business :jaypls:

 

[AZBeauty]

Religion

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Religion and Republicans aren’t grounded by science or data lol.

Do we need to have this conversation?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

It shouldn't be. GOP should be easy to talk to. Remember that one GOP member that cheated on his wife, knocked up his mistress, and asked her for an abortion?

The Dems and GOP should be able to come to common ground.

Anti-abortion congressman urged his mistress to have one, report says

 

[Serious]

Breh

 

[DEAD7]

Its an issue where no one wins

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Because in the end, the GOP uses Religion in order to bolster their position

If you can make something a religious issue, it will be unassailable because people in this country will always choose their religion over logic or any sort of nuanced reasoning.

You can't debate with people who will, in the end, simply claim that "God spoke to them" and told them how to move regarding something.

We are at least another 50 years away from removing this religious idiocy from government...their numbers are falling but the old pieces of shyt are living longer too so...

That's bullshyt because if it were true, then the Democrats would be offering GOOD arguments and just losing anyway. But that's not what's happening. OP is pointing out that the Dems as often as not are offering for-shyt arguments. For example, look at your argument.

* "It's that they're religious! Their religion is to blame!"

* "We're the logical ones but they're religious!"

* "Religious idiocy!"

* "Old pieces of shyt"


You didn't offer any of your own logic, just attacked religion. It ain't getting you anywhere.

Religion and Republicans aren’t grounded by science or data lol.

Do we need to have this conversation?

Nor are Democrats on this issue.

Peter Singer of Princeton is an atheist and one of the most renowned bioethicists in the country. He's argued strongly that there's no scientifically-grounded moral line between late-term abortion and infantcide, and that in fact it is difficult to draw a clear-cut moral line anywhere in the development of the fetus. The problem is that at some point a baby is a baby in every single way except for the fact that there's an umbilical cord still attached, and it is extremely difficult to say something has no right to live due to the mere fact of a potentially removable feeding tube.

Strong liberal arguments on abortion should take into account nuance, compassion, the acknowledgement of scientific uncertainty regarding the beginning of personhood, and likely compromise. But we don't get that. So for all intensive purposes conservatives are currently winning the abortion debate and likely will continue to win most of the battles in the near future.

 

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Because in the end, the GOP uses Religion in order to bolster their position

Very true but when has that ever stop Dems from arguing their point from facts and reasoning?

Also my argument is to use the “abortion is immoral” stance to Democrats advantage by saying more economic support for women and subsidized/free birth control can reduce abortion rates. Also point out abortion has steadily declined over the years.

Make the discussion like this. Republicans don’t want to use religion to help women they use it to punish them.

 

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because at the end of the day, you're taking an egg beater to a fetus that would eventually be a baby

dont get me wrong, im as pro-abortion as anyone else. but i wont act like it's not kind of an ugly business :jaypls:

So why do women that get an abortion decide to do so and why do old conservative white men refuse to focus on that point?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

That's bullshyt because if it were true, then the Democrats would be offering GOOD arguments and just losing anyway. But that's not what's happening. OP is pointing out that the Dems as often as not are offering for-shyt arguments. For example, look at your argument.

* "It's that they're religious! Their religion is to blame!"

* "We're the logical ones but they're religious!"

* "Religious idiocy!"

* "Old pieces of shyt"


You didn't offer any of your own logic, just attacked religion. It ain't getting you anywhere.




Nor are Democrats on this issue.

Peter Singer of Princeton is an atheist and one of the most renowned bioethicists in the country. He's argued strongly that there's no scientifically-grounded moral line between late-term abortion and infantcide, and that in fact it is difficult to draw a clear-cut moral line anywhere in the development of the fetus. The problem is that at some point a baby is a baby in every single way except for the fact that there's an umbilical cord still attached, and it is extremely difficult to say something has no right to live due to the mere fact of a potentially removable feeding tube.

Strong liberal arguments on abortion should take into account nuance, compassion, the acknowledgement of scientific uncertainty regarding the beginning of personhood, and likely compromise. But we don't get that. So for all intensive purposes conservatives are currently winning the abortion debate and likely will continue to win most of the battles in the near future.

Yeah you're a religious poster so you're gonna feel some type of way about this. I give not a fukk.

Government should have ZERO input into what a woman does with her body. This has been the argument since the 1970's.

And when that argument was put forth, conservatives responded with RELIGION. PERIOD.

And in America, Religion trumps all.

It's why these CACs in Westbumblefukk, Flyover State USA can come to the conclusion that a twice divorced, unfaithful morally corrupt shady businessman is a "man of God". You bring religion into the conversation and BOOM. That's it. Shut it down. Debate over.

shyt we could nip the abortion issue in the bud if we simply have better sex education in this country.

Why don't we have better sex education in this country which would undoubtedly lead to less abortions? Why is'nt Birth Control readily available to women?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM could it because the right wing of the American Political Spectrum ie. The GOP uses religion to bolster its argument???

Oh yes yes...it's because they don't want to pay for other people's sexual choices. Yes. THAT'S the reason why

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Very true but when has that ever stop Dems from arguing their point from facts and reasoning?

Also my argument is to use the “abortion is immoral” stance to Democrats advantage by saying more economic support for women and subsidized/free birth control can reduce abortion rates. Also point out abortion has steadily declined over the years.

Make the discussion like this. Republicans don’t want to use religion to help women they use it to punish them.

Somewhere in the 90's??

LOL breh...it does not matter...they will still use religion as their arguement against subsidized/free birth control

They will say that it ENCOURAGES young women to have sex and that it is immoral and that immorality is based on what they believe based on their religion.

Did ya'll wake up yesterday and forget what country we live in???

 

[AZBeauty]

Whats the counter argument to religion to people who use religion to dictate their views? Any argument against it make you look like some heathen devil worshiper in their eyes. The people for abortion will always be, those against it, will always be. Its not even a political argument in my eyes.

 

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Somewhere in the 90's??

LOL breh...it does not matter...they will still use religion as their arguement against subsidized/free birth control

They will say that it ENCOURAGES young women to have sex and that it is immoral and that immorality is based on what they believe based on their religion.

Did ya'll wake up yesterday and forget what country we live in???

And Dems can trap Repubs back by saying are they trying to stop people from having sex or reduce abortions? By focusing on providing economic and health resources for women who are not sure they can afford having a baby can help Dems undermine key points of Republicans arguments.

Whats the counter argument to religion to people who use religion to dedicate their views? Any argument against it make you look like some heathen devil worshiper in their eyes. The people for abortion will always be, those against it, will always be. Its not even a political argument in my eyes.

Obviously the hardcore religious sect will standby Republicans arguments on this no matter what but if Dems use Repubs irrational religious views to their advantage they can pull some of the religious groups that are liberal but against abortion and moderates to their side.