How Is It So Hard For Democrats To Debate The Issue of Abortion With Republicans???

[ExodusNirvana]

And Dems can trap Repubs back by saying are they trying to stop people from having sex or reduce abortions? By focusing on providing economic and health resources for women who are not sure they can afford having a baby can help Dems undermine key points of Republicans arguments.



Obviously the hardcore religious sect will standby Republicans arguments on this no matter what but if Dems use Repubs irrational religious views to their advantage they can pull some of the religious groups that are liberal but against abortion and moderates to their side.

Everything you are saying has already happend breh it's 2019...we are living the results of your argument and spoiler: it has failed

In America: Religion. Trumps. All. Period.

Were have ya'll been the past 25-30 years of American politics????

 

[Copy Ninja]

Everything you are saying has already happend breh it's 2019...we are living the results of your argument and spoiler: it has failed

In America: Religion. Trumps. All. Period.

Were have ya'll been the past 25-30 years of American politics????

Abortion is legal. So is same sex marriage.

If religion had their way, those laws would not have passed.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Abortion is legal. So is same sex marriage.

If religion had their way, those laws would not have passed.

I ask again, have ya'll not been paying attention to American Politics for the past 20-25 years???

Ok ok...fine...the past 5 years.

5....ya'll can at least give me 5???

The past 2 years?????

 

[ill]

The Republican Party is highly irrational and contradictory to its base philosophies on abortion solely because religion is clouding their views. @ExodusNirvana is 100% right in stating religion trumps all on the abortion issue. Reds are supposed to be against big government - keep your hands off our land, our guns, etc - except when it comes to abortion, they want to be all in your business. That is literally only because the Church said so. However, a greater discussion needs to be had on late-term issues because I think the Dems have pushed so far that the Repubs finally have a legitimate argument. End of the day, the government should have no say on what people do with their bodies and religion should have an extremely limited role in our government.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

The Republican Party is highly irrational and contradictory to its base philosophies on abortion solely because religion is clouding their views. @ExodusNirvana is 100% right in stating religion trumps all on the abortion issue. Reds are supposed to be against big government - keep your hands off our land, our guns, etc - except when it comes to abortion, they want to be all in your business. That is literally only because the Church said so. However, a greater discussion needs to be had on late-term issues because I think the Dems have pushed so far that the Repubs finally have a legitimate argument. End of the day, the government should have no say on what people do with their bodies and religion should have an extremely limited role in our government.

Bingo

And I agree...the Dems are going full retard in order to counter full retard

And you never go full retard

 

[wtfyomom]

breh forget abortion, most mainstream republicans are wrong on 100 percent of the issues, how do you not argue against climate change, against abortion, against healthcare, etc etc its literally the worst arguments ever and its treated like its some real debate, its a joke. my answer would be they dont use the right arguments cause theyre handcuffed by big money

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

The Republican Party is highly irrational and contradictory to its base philosophies on abortion solely because religion is clouding their views. @ExodusNirvana is 100% right in stating religion trumps all on the abortion issue. Reds are supposed to be against big government - keep your hands off our land, our guns, etc - except when it comes to abortion, they want to be all in your business. That is literally only because the Church said so. However, a greater discussion needs to be had on late-term issues because I think the Dems have pushed so far that the Repubs finally have a legitimate argument. End of the day, the government should have no say on what people do with their bodies and religion should have an extremely limited role in our government.

Late term abortions are incredibly rare and LITERALLY are only a policy supported by Dems when the baby or the mother's is at serious health or life risk.

But yes I agree Dems allowed Repubs to make an issue out of one of the least cause of concerns in America and my argument is undercut that by focusing on economic proposals to help women.

The purpose isn't to change most of the minds of anti-abortion supporters just weaken their argument among the rest of the country.

 

[wtfyomom]

of course the resident cac repub would act like women are just willy nilly getting late term abortions, thats such a straw man, like i said repubs are wrong about everything

 

[ill]

Late term abortions are incredibly rare and LITERALLY are only a policy supported by Dems when the baby or the mother's is at serious health or life risk.

Don't get me wrong, I support late-term abortions for serious health risks. I support it for pretty much anything - like I said, it's your body and your choice.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yeah you're a religious poster so you're gonna feel some type of way about this. I give not a fukk.

That's a circumstantial ad hominem. Again, if you want to prove that Democrats can debate this issue well, that isn't a good way to start.

Government should have ZERO input into what a woman does with her body. This has been the argument since the 1970's.

While most Democrats quite obviously don't believe that (otherwise a lot more of them would be fighting to legalize prostitution, all drug use, etc.), we're not talking about what a woman does with her body. We're talking about what a woman does with what is scientifically clearly another, separate human body, with its own DNA, mind, heart, and life stages.

And when that argument was put forth, conservatives responded with RELIGION. PERIOD.

That's historically false - there were numerous other arguments given.

shyt we could nip the abortion issue in the bud if we simply have better sex education in this country.

Are you telling me that people with good sex education don't get abortions? I think the vast majority of people who get abortions know exactly how it happened and exactly how they could have prevented it.

Why don't we have better sex education in this country which would undoubtedly lead to less abortions? Why is'nt Birth Control readily available to women?

Birth control isn't readily available to women? I've never once met a woman who didn't actually know how to access birth control. Like, I'm sure that some such woman exists, somewhere. But every woman I've ever met knew what a condom was and knew how to get on the pill too.


Nowhere in there did you defend the morality of abortion except to say, "what a woman does with her body", and at the very least you have to admit that it's quite obvious that the people on the other side of the argument believe the baby is its own separate body and life. Thus you have formed a completely useless argument. At the very least you have to convince the other side that the baby IS the woman's body. You didn't even try.

Again, you're proving the OP quite correct.

 

[Pressure]

Future like ours arguments have been made.
Person seed arguments have been made.

The fact is people who oppose abortion, for the most part, do so for religious or emotional reasons.

Not everything is up for debate and people suggesting there's a lack of proper argumentation driving the right to an abortion victory are dishonest.

The fact is, pro life advocates have for a long time been losing this argument.

:Venmos 350 dollars:

 

[ExodusNirvana]

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Abortion can fukk up someones life, but can also save it too. I got two under my belt, some of the best ROI I've ever had. This shyt should be open and close. But I see they're going to start arresting abortion doctors in GA and Alabama? of course they are

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Its an issue where no one wins

i'm personally pro-life, but it's clear pro-choice is the winning position. idiots sit up here and act like every baby is going to come into a loving stable home...oh, just put it up for adoption? yea, as if there aren't kids spending their entire fukking lives in group homes and other PUBLICLY FUNDED institutions because no one is adopting every unwanted child, ESPECIALLY BLACK KIDS who are disproportionately stuck in the system. we won't even get into cases of rape/abuse (plenty states not even making exemptions for this) or drug addicted mothers who are likely to bring developmentally disabled kids into the world who will require even more government assistance and care, for a lifetime.


the clear winning choice is for it to be legal, the compromise is a universal cutoff, i personally think 12 weeks is enough time (gives a decent grace period to women who don't know they're pregnant until well into the second or third month), except in cases of medical emergency/life endangerment. abortion wouldn't even be a fukking conversation if it were men who got pregnant, shyt would be simple as getting a flu shot.

 

[Json]

Strong liberal arguments on abortion should take into account nuance, compassion, the acknowledgement of scientific uncertainty regarding the beginning of personhood, and likely compromise. But we don't get that. So for all intensive purposes conservatives are currently winning the abortion debate and likely will continue to win most of the battles in the near future.

Abortion is just a procedure. No different than the choice people make to alter their bodies with hormones or implants that they will have to deal with the repercussions emotionally and physically.

We aren’t having an abortion debate. It’s about procreation. Even if Dems gave in and said just teach and give free contraceptives so we don’t get to that point, the pro-life side isn’t having it.

knowledge is dangerous?

This is just another front in the government eugenics debate that had women getting sterilized because.... minorities, immigrants,and poor.