How is Trae Young doing this when he just turned 19?Update: EMPTY STATS!! 17-24 12th seed EXPOSED!!

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People say Luka statpads but high key Trae been doing the most this year

Dude gets his numbers up during 15-30pt blowouts while playing significant minutes in the 2nd half when the game is far out of hand. I thought it was just here and there but it’s happening almost every game now.

I hope Pierce smartens up and doesn’t risk his franchise player in meaningless 4th quarters. That Houston game was shameful. Nique crying on the broadcast that Harden is still in the game in the 2nd half. Meanwhile Trae gunning deep into the 4th...
Look at this casual. Hasn’t watched one Hawk game this year :mjlol:

Has the nerve to bring up stat padding when Luka has the ball the entire game
 

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But, he is stat padding -
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The big difference in his game from last year at this time to this year, is that he was almost solely relying on deep 3 balls just so he could get shots up. That, in my mind, is hero ball. This year, he's setting up his offense by making the floater, something that he does as well as anyone in the league.

He's averaging a little over 20 shots a game and is attempting 7 FTs per game. He's top 5 in the league in drive points and shoots 55% FG on those shots ( which are layups and floaters ). He's #2 in the league in pull up jumper points ( 11.6 ), with only James Harden having more points ( 13.0 ).

Trae creates 20.3 points off of his assists, 6th in the league. And we all know that could be a lot higher if people just made a few more shots. Trae is also 3rd in the league in Adjusted Assists ( 10.6 ), which includes assists leading to FTs and secondary assists ( the hockey assist, as we like to call it ).

NBA.com also tracks "assist potential", which are basically the assists Trae could have vs the assists that Trae actually gets.

  • Assist potential: 15.7 apg
  • Actual assists: 8.4 apg
  • Assists converted %: 53.5%
That last stat I calculated, simply off of dividing the actual assists from the potential assists. And all of that would be HIGHER if guys could make basic wide-open shots.
 
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The life of this thread is funny man...went from he’s a bust to oh it’s just a lucky 2nd half run to now he’s a stat padder who can’t possibly win in the league :mjlol:
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:mjlol: all the fury in this thread

Luka gets pulled in the 2nd half and doesn’t see entire 4th quarters when it’s a blowout.

Trae plays deep into 4ths while his team is losing by insurmountable margins. On an almost every other game basis.

I’m not saying he’s not good. I even called him ATL’s franchise player in my post. But looks like the normal remedial crew is unable to read.

Luka could have easily had a 40-20 game against the Pelicans but Carlisle benched him the entire 4th. It was only a 15pt game.
Trae out here playing 35+ mins, playing hero ball, and hoisting shots in the 4th in games that are over by the early 3rd quarter.

That’s the point I’m trying to make.

I’m open to any of you guys wanting to have a dialogue about this. But it seems the best you can do is smilies and fury.

Doesn’t matter if your team sucks and Trae is the only good dude on the squad. Having your star player out there in a 30-40 point game deep in the 4th quarter? Where they do that at? Honest question.

I’d be mad too if my team passed on Luka.
 

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The life of this thread is funny man...went from he’s a bust to oh it’s just a lucky 2nd half run to now he’s a stat padder who can’t possibly win in the league :mjlol:
Luka a bust
Already peaked
Low ceiling
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It goes both way. Your brehs move the goalposts and watch every single Mavs game hoping Luka fails. It’s comical.

Pretty sure Luka haters watch more Mavs games than their actual team
 
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At some point... you gotta wonder if he's a looter in a riot..

He dropping 50 and these huge numbers but the Hawks aren't a competitive team at all...
Oh, he most definitely is.

:lolbron:

Yesterday, they were down by 16 points, with a minute left, and he put up three shots in about 40 seconds. It's been a common theme throughout this season. And it makes you wonder if he's making the right play for his team, or making the right play for himself.
he's got game but he definitely gets the benefit of basically shooting whenever he wants and playing in blowouts. since highschool, he's had a greenlight to shoot 25-30 times a game. it's not an accident that he went to oklahoma where he would have a high usage rate. same thing in ATL. not to mention his defensive limitations. i don't think any team can win anything meaningful with him getting this much usage.
I've been trying to tell these Hawks cats this.

He's got all the skills, but he has a # of glaring bad habits where he's been allowed to monopolize possessions without consequence, and it's stopping the Hawks from building any sort of offensive rhythm/momentum and generation of controlled runs. Whenever he's on the floor, the possession typically ends in him shooting or an action when here's passing directly leading to a shot; he leads the league in time of possession (9.1 minutes per game), and leads the league in average seconds per touch (6.46sec - which is considerably more than anyone else in the league).

When you have a combination of:

opposition teams only having to defend one section of the court whenever he's on the floor
him going for a home-run play on every other possession
him not moving the ball, at all

It's not going to lead to positive results.
 

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Oh, he most definitely is.

:lolbron:

Yesterday, they were down by 16 points, with a minute left, and he put up three shots in about 40 seconds. It's been a common theme throughout this season. And it makes you wonder if he's making the right play for his team, or making the right play for himself.

I've been trying to tell these Hawks cats this.

He's got all the skills, but he has a # of glaring bad habits where he's been allowed to monopolize possessions without consequence, and it's stopping the Hawks from building any sort of offensive rhythm/momentum and generation of controlled runs. Whenever he's on the floor, the possession typically ends in him shooting or an action when here's passing directly leading to a shot; he leads the league in time of possession (9.1 minutes per game), and leads the league in average seconds per touch (6.46sec - which is considerably more than anyone else in the league).

When you have a combination of:

opposition teams only having to defend one section of the court whenever he's on the floor
him going for a home-run play on every other possession
him not moving the ball, at all

It's not going to lead to positive results.
If you actually watch the games, understand what’s going on, and provide reasonable analysis, you just get labeled a “casual” by these guys

They won’t argue anything you or I said. They’ll just wait for another 38 point effort in a 40 point loss while playing 39 minutes to up this thread

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Oh, he most definitely is.

:lolbron:

Yesterday, they were down by 16 points, with a minute left, and he put up three shots in about 40 seconds. It's been a common theme throughout this season. And it makes you wonder if he's making the right play for his team, or making the right play for himself.

I've been trying to tell these Hawks cats this.

He's got all the skills, but he has a # of glaring bad habits where he's been allowed to monopolize possessions without consequence, and it's stopping the Hawks from building any sort of offensive rhythm/momentum and generation of controlled runs. Whenever he's on the floor, the possession typically ends in him shooting or an action when here's passing directly leading to a shot; he leads the league in time of possession (9.1 minutes per game), and leads the league in average seconds per touch (6.46sec - which is considerably more than anyone else in the league).

When you have a combination of:

opposition teams only having to defend one section of the court whenever he's on the floor
him going for a home-run play on every other possession
him not moving the ball, at all


It's not going to lead to positive results.
There is a difference between this and the bullshyt he did v. HOU in the 4th. The Hawks play to the final whistle and I have no issues with it. I want them to trap and try to win till triple zeros. That said, that HOU shyt which I don't approve of. If all of the starters for HOU are out at the beginning of the 4th, so do our starters outside of the ones struggling like Hunter who needs more mins. Let's just be clear about that.

There is a difference between Trae needs to improve which I am 100% on board with compared to trolling and shyt posting like the sloppy Mexicac crack baby whose mother sells her ass at the local Dallas Home Depot for churros and Shipley's Donuts. Let's make that clear.

Everything you said about this italic is true to me as well. Hawks fans got a thousand excuses for it and I agree, he does get a raw deal as this team just isn't capable of really competing regardless of his offensive effort, he really isn't helping others doing the bullshyt he does. I know we are much better with him than without him but that's because we are garbage, not because he is Steve Nash Jr. Like I said, he is comparable as a package to Zeke/Nash/Lillard but truly, Marbury is looking directly at Zeke and there were a lot of winning things that Zeke did that Marbury didn't do and I am seeing Trae more like Marbury than Zeke at this time. Hawks fans will say this or that but my eyes say this and I can't deny it. That doesn't mean Trae can't fix it but dude gets serious tunnel vision when he makes his mind up that he wants to score. Zeke always seems to have a perfect balance and that's what I want from Trae.

I can't see a Hawk fan denying this. While Trae's defense has improved, v. some matchups, he is food, food, food, food, and food. Brooklyn proved that yesterday. As shyt as Parker is on defense and Jones is as well, Young was the one they abused consistently yesterday. Both Temple and Dinwiddle.

I've complained all year about Trae going for the HR over the simple pass, I do believe this will change in time but it's an issue.

I've always had an issue with his off the ball skills. This is one of the great separators when comparing him to Luka more than anything. One is good at it and can get better, the other might never be much at it.

Trae will continue to grow but you can't grow by just saying it, changes much be apparent. Just the way it is. I like that his shooting is elite and he is extremely efficient. On pace to be as efficient as 2nd year Shaq but the issues are there.
 

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It goes both way. Your brehs move the goalposts and watch every single Mavs game hoping Luka fails. It’s comical.

Pretty sure Luka haters watch more Mavs games than their actual team

:dwillhuh: what are you taking about? I’ve given Luka his props on multiple occasions he’s a great player. Ironically enough you’ve got insecure Mavs favs who are hating on Trae like he’s not also a great player. Trae is putting up numbers when the other team already knows he’s our only option. Not sure why y’all hate Trae so much...y’all look at the numbers and they damn near neck to neck in scoring, assists, etc
 

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:dwillhuh: what are you taking about? I’ve given Luka his props on multiple occasions he’s a great player. Ironically enough you’ve got insecure Mavs favs who are hating on Trae like he’s not also a great player. Trae is putting up numbers when the other team already knows he’s our only option. Not sure why y’all hate Trae so much...y’all look at the numbers and they damn near neck to neck in scoring, assists, etc
He's a nobody Mexican. He needs to be mad at ICE, not Ice Trae.
 

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:dwillhuh: what are you taking about? I’ve given Luka his props on multiple occasions he’s a great player. Ironically enough you’ve got insecure Mavs favs who are hating on Trae like he’s not also a great player. Trae is putting up numbers when the other team already knows he’s our only option. Not sure why y’all hate Trae so much...y’all look at the numbers and they damn near neck to neck in scoring, assists, etc
Another post

Another glossing over his minutes allocation and shot selection in blowouts

I don’t hate Trae. I come into this thread to state what I believe is an objective fact and nobody cares to even have a discourse about it. It’s literally some mentally ill child hurling confabulated insults while being irrationally furious. Try to talk sports and it just turns into some weird, arbitrary racial insult diatribe. Every time. But I’m the one hating and being unreasonable?

Just my avatar alone sends your boy into a downward spiral. Rent free.

Only popped in just to bring up Lloyd’s suspect rotations/minutes given your team’s current state. I don’t know of many teams, past or present, that continue to play their starters/star player deep into 4ths when the game is well over. I think Trae is a very good player. Much better than I and a lot of others thought he would be. I think Pierce’s current strategy of letting him have the ultimate green light at all times may be instilling poor habits, though.
 
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