WhatsGoodTy
Ya feel me
Wasn't trying to be negative, but I'm saying the flame is dying down. It lights up once in awhile, but it's not common.
How long before pro wrestling falls off for good?
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Wasn't trying to be negative, but I'm saying the flame is dying down. It lights up once in awhile, but it's not common.
Most of the time we talk about wrestling in an off-handed manner. It's healthy for us to be critical. It's one of the reasons I check into the Monday Night Raw thread.
Hell, even when I don't watch the show, I read the thread faithfully. Good conversation in there.
Hell, even when I don't watch the show, I read the thread faithfully. Good conversation in there.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
please explain how TNA f*cked up and how the WWE didn't?
TNA put out the better product thru most of its existence. the people who f*cked up were the fans who were stuck on brand loyalty. most people either chitted on TNA simply because it wasn't the WWE or they just flat-out didn't even give it a chance because "its not the same."
lets be real here.
the only way the mcmahons get disrupted is if ted turner or somebody like him comes along with longer money than the McMahons and a serious interest in wrestling. all this google/amazon/Netflix chit done already been around for like a decade now. lets not overrate these avenues. and lets not over-estimate the public's genuine interest in the sport. most "wrestling fans" are not wrestling fans. theyre morseo just WWE fans and that's it. case in point, 80% of this thread consists of people looking for ways to keep the WWE afloat. you bring up another promotion, and the only reason they may want it to succeed is because they think it will make the wwe's product better. hence, the reason why I havnt really posted in this forum like that in a couple years, and just casually follow the sport now.
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ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
Starting in February when that channel launches
seemorecizzy
Superstar
I just watch wrestling for a few laughs, and every now and then I'll see a dope match that will spark my attention.
wrestling will never die, kids become fans through their parents/friends and the cycle just keeps on going
I'll never understand how grown ass man can invest so much energy and anger into it.
just watch and enjoy. complaining if your guy didn't win is naturally but some people on here seem legitimately pissed of by it
who gives a shyt
wrestling will never die, kids become fans through their parents/friends and the cycle just keeps on going
I'll never understand how grown ass man can invest so much energy and anger into it.
just watch and enjoy. complaining if your guy didn't win is naturally but some people on here seem legitimately pissed of by it
who gives a shyt
Props to Homeboy Runny-Ray:
There was a moment when I thought AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Chris Daniels were going to take over the industry. I thought that they would emerge as the Eddie/Benoit/Mysterio of the next decade.
Whoever takes TNA's spot as the #2 in the industry must draw upon youthful energy. The fans would come back to weekly wrestling shows.
There was a moment when I thought AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Chris Daniels were going to take over the industry. I thought that they would emerge as the Eddie/Benoit/Mysterio of the next decade.
Whoever takes TNA's spot as the #2 in the industry must draw upon youthful energy. The fans would come back to weekly wrestling shows.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
I know right?
all that chit stayed semi-underground and forced to be seen as 2nd-rate to an inferior product for no logical reason.
there was a thread on here a day or 2 ago where somebody asked if kurt angle can still wrestle.
that's why I had to get away from this wrestling chit for a while altogether man.
You cant really use an outdated and failed business model as a point of reference. The territory days are dead and gone, and it was a much different time, socially and economically. Besides, the wrestling industry was far more guarded and protected then. Now everyone knows that what they're seeing is entertainment only, so the suspension of disbelief is almost non-existent today. Not to sound like a dyck because Im a wrestling fan (albeit casual), but the audience from those days was largely uneducated, white trash. Not exactly an appealing base.
Storylines are deliberate and focused today, and its still basically a wrestling show...its just that the WWE has adjusted to new realities, and it has been met with overwhelmingly positive success. The company has never been stronger. We're not going to go back to crazy bumps, chair shots, blading, breasts popping out, and obscene gestures and language. On a national scale, advertisers hate it, network execs are uncomfortable by it, and it overall doesnt fit the needs of the market. The market is kids and a family friendly product. If there were enough older fans to financially sustain going in an adult direction, then a company would have emerged to meet those needs.
As far as quality of product, I grew up on the early 90s WWE, and today's product shts on it in every way conceivable, and is even far more mature...I think its just a case of familiarity breeding contempt, and absence making the heart grow fonder.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
this entire paragraph is wrong.
people didn't know that wrestling was just entertainment back then?
what failed/outdated business model?
the audience those days was largely uneducated white trash? how did you come to this conclusion?
the wwe has caked, yet still has sucked the life out of the wrestling industry. a casual fan wont be able to see that. you admitted that youre just a casual fan tho. that's wassup.
this entire paragraph is wrong.
people didn't know that wrestling was just entertainment back then?
what failed/outdated business model?
the audience those days was largely uneducated white trash? how did you come to this conclusion?
the wwe has caked, yet still has sucked the life out of the wrestling industry. a casual fan wont be able to see that. you admitted that youre just a casual fan tho. that's wassup.
Sure, most people probably had an idea that what they were seeing was entertainment, but that idea wasnt confirmed by the business itself, where fans freely talked inside lingo like booking, characters, angles, etc and overall knew the inner workings of the business. Havent you ever heard of kayfabe? The business was strongly protected, and presented as having real outcomes until the late 90s. Now everyone KNOWS FOR SURE, that what they are seeing is purely entertainment without consequence. How is this an argument?
To those ends, the model of a territory owner, who puts his shows on independent stations, and gears his product towards adults is failed one. In order for a company to be a serious one, he or she has to secure a national standing. Thats a completely different ball game in today's world and economy. Dog, its not 1988 no more, and its not going to be anytime soon. The past is the past.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
again, the bolded is false.
as for the 2nd paragraph, I wasn't necessarily talking about territories/local tv. i guess we're talking about 2 different things there.
Pro wrestling already fell off.
truthI prefer to post on positive topics, but I can't ignore this thread.
This is an opinion piece from a Brotha who goes all the way back to the 80's. I've seen the best and worst of professional wrestling. I've loved the AWA (but I don't remember much of it) and distinctly recall the NWA, WCW, ECW and WWF/WWE.
WWE is at their creative nadir and it is primarily due to a failed vision. They no longer see value in anything other than their three main brands: Wrestlemania, John Cena, and the McMahon family.
Those brands are inviolable and the WWE will do everything they can to sell these products to their fans. Every decision is predicated on maintaining those brands. That means that they are willing to ignore, sacrifice and undermine the value of everything else:
They don't value championships.
They don't value booking logic, professional wrestling history, or creating compelling, wrestling-based storylines
They don't value tag teams or undercards.
So what we have left are the brands. For example, WWE brings in lapsed viewers by utilizing nostalgia and the promise of Hall of Famers during Wrestlemania.
The Wrestlemania brand is worth more than the actual matches. Fans flock to it because we expect big things from the event. However, Wrestlemania is just a brand name, like Doritos.
It doesn't mean that it's any good, and all of us remember a time back when it was better.
What happens when we run out of "legends"? What happens when John Cena turns 40? Or when Undertaker retires? What happens after Stone Cold "wrestles his last match"? Hulk Hogan? How many times can they keep wheeling out a greying and balding Shawn Michaels?
Vince McMahon lost his edge (no pun intended) when he went corporate. He no longer takes chances and he does not value the in-ring product. Look at how they botched Daniel Bryan's storyline.
It sold itself. Even if Vince relegated DB to a short term run, Vince should have layered it with other stories to build toward the Royal Rumble.
Superstars build new stars, and new stars are supposed to provide new angles and storylines.
Now, we're back to a 2007 remix/rematch: John Cena vs. Randy Orton. Think on that.
When Wrestlemania buy-rates begin to dip, we'll know whether a national professional wrestling enterprise is still viable. For now, the WWE is making money, and that is all that matters.
