How many of the Nas/Hitboy albums you think are classic/will be classics?

How many of the Hitboy X Nas albums are classics/will be classics?


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None of them will be hip hop classics.

They can be considered classic Nas albums as it pertains to his own catalog years down the line

Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic are the solidified hip hop classics when it comes to the culture as a whole. You have to have a certain level of impact & influence on the landscape to get that generally universal classic stamp.

/thread right here.

Nas has several legitimate classics that we can compare these recent albums to as the minimum threshold for a classic albums.

Do any of these albums touch the quality, impact, longevity of his big three albums? No, not really.

I could include Lost Tapes in there as a classic and maybe argue Magic 1 - to me those albums are comparable - but honestly none of these albums have an argument for that status.

I love the KD and Magic series though, and I am more than content with just knowing that Nas can still create dope projects and still rap at an absurdly high level this late in the game.

I will say though... songs like Speechless, Rare, The Truth, 40-16 Building, Thun, Michael/Quincy, Store Run, Speechless 2 do have an argument for being top 25-30 Nas tracks
 
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....or, we're just saying sh*t you don’t like to hear.

How many new Nas fans has he made with these albums? These joints have divided his 20-30+ year long fans. A lot people who've been lifelong Nas fans since pre-Illmatic do not f*ck with these albums. Are any of these shifting culture or killing sh*t anywhere? Did these projects save his career? His legacy was set before any of these dropped. They haven't hurt him, but they haven't raised his legend status either. He was good before these.


Winning Grammys helps his legacy. Being inducted into the Billboard Hall Of Fame helps his legacy. Selling out Madison Square Garden helps his legacy. Being one of only two rappers with 16 top ten charting albums helps his legacy. None of these are possible without the Hit Boy produced albums. Furthermore, not only does it enhance his legacy and add to his legend status, it also keeps him in the conversation in the here and now. The Rap Life podcast HAD to talk about Magic 3 and they HAD to speak to its quality. Rolling Stone HAD to call Nas the greatest rapper because the quality of the music is undeniable. All of these blogs, sites, and reviewers who felt they could sweep Nas under the rug HAVE to talk about him, and not just about what he did in the past, but about what he’s accomplishing in real time. All of Mass Appeal’s success, the movies, documentaries, concerts, etc. are built on the foundation of PRESENT DAY Nas.

Now perhaps your group of conglomerates don’t listen to present day Nas, but to say the Hit Boy produced albums have “split his fanbase” is categorically false. I was at a sold out Nas/Wu-Tang show in Atlanta last year and failed to see any kind of split amongst the fanbase. Was there a “split”’amongst the fanbase at his sold out KINGS DISEASE Madison Square Garden concert? Did the crowd at Hip Hop Is 50 decide to leave when Lauryn Hill came out to Nobody? I’m confused about where this massive “split” has taken place
 
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Classic moment as in when an album has a chokehold on the culture. Like how The Chronic did, or TPAB, or Ready to Die, or It's Dark and Hell is Hot, or OB4CL, etc. Universal classics, not just sh*t we like.

I was at The Garden show. Right on the side of the stage with his people. That's how I got tickets. The crowd went NUTS once "NY State of Mind" came on. And that wasn't until halfway through the show. When he got into the old tracks, that's when the energy changed. Brought out Slick Rick for "Hey Young World" a couple tracks later and the building went crazy because those are actual iconic and monumental Hip Hop classics. The crowd wasn't on that level early on, for the KD joints because most people there don’t even know those songs. He wrapped the show with the classics. Something like 16-17 songs that real Nas fans love. Wisely. Because those are the songs that define his career and what the people wanted to see.


Were you the one a couple months ago who claimed that the Madison Square Garden show was comprised of 75% older songs until I produced the show pamphlet that proved otherwise?
 

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Now perhaps your group of conglomerates don’t listen to present day Nas, but to say the Hit Boy produced albums have “split his fanbase” is categorically false. I was at a sold out Nas/Wu-Tang show in Atlanta last year and failed to see any kind of split amongst the fanbase. Was there a “split”’amongst the fanbase at his sold out KINGS DISEASE Madison Square Garden concert? Did the crowd at Hip Hop Is 50 decide to leave when Lauryn Hill came out to Nobody? I’m confused about where this massive “split” has taken place
Massive split has taken place on The Coli.

The only thing that gets The Coli more heated than finding out who their favorite celebrity or Instagram model is is fukking, is finding out who is producing for Nas :dame:
 

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Winning Grammys helps his legacy. Being inducted into the Billboard Hall Of Fame helps his legacy. Selling out Madison Square Garden helps his legacy. Being one of only two rappers with 16 top ten charting albums helps his legacy. None of these are possible without the Hit Boy produced albums. Furthermore, not only does it enhance his legacy and add to his legend status, it also keeps him in the conversation in the here and now. The Rap Life podcast HAD to talk about Magic 3 and they HAD to speak to its quality. Rolling Stone HAD to call Nas the greatest rapper because the quality of the music is undeniable. All of these blogs, sites, and reviewers who felt they could sweep Nas under the rug HAVE to talk about him, and not just about what he did in the past, but about what he’s accomplishing in real time. All of Mass Appeal’s success, the movies, documentaries, concerts, etc. are built on the foundation of PRESENT DAY Nas.

Now perhaps your group of conglomerates don’t listen to present day Nas, but to say the Hit Boy produced albums have “split his fanbase” is categorically false. I was at a sold out Nas/Wu-Tang show in Atlanta last year and failed to see any kind of split amongst the fanbase. Was there a “split”’amongst the fanbase at his sold out KINGS DISEASE Madison Square Garden concert? Did the crowd at Hip Hop Is 50 decide to leave when Lauryn Hill came out to Nobody? I’m confused about where this massive “split” has taken place

Talking Hip Hop as far as the music is concerned. Not awards. Not sales.

The average person on the street who loves Hip Hop, is not going to say "Nas is a legend because he sold mad tickets at The Garden". I'm speaking about the music and what it's done for the people and his career standing. The things that actually matter. You're speaking about the kinda sh*t that the fake fans pay attention to. Actual Hip Hop fans do not care about which spot your album landed on Billboard or magazine write-ups. They care about the music. And how the music made them feel and which moments in time that music created for them for mad years. You're talking about stuff Nas's manager (whom I friends with) should be concerned with. None of that makes the music more classic, bro.

It has to be said, Hit-Boy's BIGGEST record of his career, is a Jay-Z track. Which is a classic. Those don't come around often. He does not have a record with Nas, ANYWHERE on any of these albums that has reached that level. That's what we're talking about. Not what Rolling Stone said. One minute everyone is saying "Rolling Stone doesn't know sh*t about Hip Hop", but now we're quoting them when they speak on Nas? When Paid in Full originally dropped, they said it was wack. Let's not quote Rolling Stone, lol. This is about the music. Where are the songs on these albums that have shifted anything in Hip Hop and became undeniable classic tracks like the ones we've seen in the culture over the past almost 30+ years? Nas himself said, "Everyone doesn't have to like what I'm doing with Hit, but we have something good going on". He's acknowledged mad times that everyone doesn't like Hit-Boy. So how is saying the fans are divided "categorically false"? Just look at the threads on here, since so much time is spent on here. People on here are saying the same. This isn't new. Hit ain't universally loved and respected.

We have to stop throwing the word "classic" around like it doesn't mean what it should. You can like mad sh*t, just like we all do. But just because we like something, doesn't mean it's classic. Like I said, if we're referencing Hit-Boy, "N*ggas in Paris" is a classic. That song had a moment. Globally!! I'm not talking about what the album sold or what Jay and them did on tour with it. I'm talking about the ACTUAL SONG. That's what a classic looks like. We all know that. All of these albums he did with Hit, where are the classic songs on that level or even close to? That's the question everyone is asking.
 
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Massive split has taken place on The Coli.

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Magic & kd2 are classic imo, easily the best of both trilogies

I still bump both daily. The rest solid projects but don’t stand out.magic 3 mid af to me
 

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I agree it can be a broad term but all classic albums have some similarities. Whether it's an album that went triple plat or barely sold anything, you should be able to point to specific ways it influenced the genre, wave, artists, the market, whatever. What's the impact of these albums in the short term? I don't see any. You mentioned Griselda who don't sell records and I've never been a big fan of but can anyone deny Flygod had a clear impact on underground rap? I'm always going to rep Roc Marci and Marcberg as being the most important/first album in that wave, but Flygod clearly had impact too.

Don't care if an album is perfect or not. If you can't make a compelling argument on its impact, how it influenced albums that came out afterwards, etc then it's not classic in my eyes. The argument some seem to be making is that these albums showed an older rapper making good albums and being active. Ok. Black Thought was doing that before KD1 came out. I fukk with those Black Thought projects...they aren't classic either. Older rappers release albums every year, that's not a new phenomena.

And thats the hard thing to figure out cause I think while Griselda and Roc have impact via inlfuence, more people might have heard these Nas/Hit projects, same with Hit. Both Griselda and Nas/Hit might have the same issue of dropping so much good records in the non mainstream it'll be harder to tell what sticks and stands out but I still think a classic can be just be a very great and memroable record.
At the very least whether its accurate or not, these projects will probably remembered for crafting a lane for older rap and solidfying that genre even if they were other guys doing for years, it seems to be the albums that helped strengthen the narrative. And I think in terms of where Hit Boy's trajectory of his production career goes it absolutley influenced him getting calls from other people to do their whole albums and grew him as a producer with his diversity. Like Jack said yeah nikkas in Paris is his biggest produce record but this also run defied him as a producer too and build his crediblity as one of the best of his generation.
 
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Also wanna say this rap shyt like entertainment is all fragmented and theres' no monoculture anymore. People talking they know people who dont fukk with this stuff and are fans since before Illmatic....we know that type of Nas fan lol They never satisfied until he literally works with the old dudes. And naturally when they talking about classics they talking about albums from 27 years ago and other shyt has come along the way.

shyt's just harder to qualify but I will say this....if its relevant to the artist career and you the listener have a strong experience with it, that might be enough for a classic. Its getting harder and harder for people to have shared music experiences even if the young folks kinda have it.
 

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Were you the one a couple months ago who claimed that the Madison Square Garden show was comprised of 75% older songs until I produced the show pamphlet that proved otherwise?

The guy always tries to sugar coats his Nas hats, he really a Jigg Stan lol
 
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