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Lebron dosent want to be a leader
Lebron dosent want to be a leader
How many rings does LeBron win playing with Bynum & Pau Gasol?
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Gasol back to the basket game has always been better to bosh post game.. And posting records during the prime shaq era, and asking if another top ten player of all time WITH a prime shaq and shooters could do the same thing is useless..odds are extremely good... And those nuggets jazz thunder and rockets early wins post shaq are misleading too, none of those teams were known for doing shyt in the offs anyway
Serious question. Either put Bron in LA instead of Kobe or Pau & Bynum in Cleveland. How many rings does he win?
is phil jackson the coach?
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smart usage of data plan
the downplay is ridiculous, i don't like the heat especially bosh, but to call wade a "previous" star and bosh simply "above average" is just crazy
same amount cause he would be playing in the western conference.
why u think he stayed in the eastern conference he know that sh!t is weak and he had a 90% chance of making the finals every year while out west is % would been 50%
why u think he stayed in the eastern conference he know that sh!t is weak and he had a 90% chance of making the finals every year while out west is % would been 50%
the downplay is ridiculous, i don't like the heat especially bosh, but to call wade a "previous" star and bosh simply "above average" is just crazy
I don't expect anything less from Bone$.
Why just Bynum and Gasol? You can't leave Odom out. With Bynum being hurt every year, they coudlnt' have done what they did without Odom. Also the contributions of role guys like Fisher, Ariza, and Artest can't be discounted. I for one think that Bron would thrive with a true post presence in their prime. That trio would allow him to play on the perimeter exclusively like it's pretty clear that he wants to. He wouldn't have to worry about posting or crashing the boards or defending the basket or the other teams big guy. I think the driving lane/paint clogging issue is overblown because he played with Boozer, Big Z, and Shaq. I think Bron would love having big guys to toss it to that can do work down there.
As far as Wade and Bosh go...
Let's not act like this is prime D. Wade. You put 06 or 08 D. Wade on this team and they have already hoisted their 3 consecutive Larry O'Brien trophy. The nikka has shown flashes but is nowhere near the dominant force that he was before. The game 4 that everybody was
over was par for the course for that nikka a few years back rather than the breakout game that it qualifies as now. Bosh was never a low post banger like that. He was always a finesse player. I remember when the team was put together wondering who their post presence was gonna be and if Lebron was gonna finally move to the low post because Bosh wasn't built like that.
I recognize that Lebron's play has been
. He warrants any criticism that comes his way based on how he's performed over his Finals career. However that doesn't mean we should just totally throw all reason out the window and totally ignore reality and what actually happened.
As far as Wade and Bosh go...
Let's not act like this is prime D. Wade. You put 06 or 08 D. Wade on this team and they have already hoisted their 3 consecutive Larry O'Brien trophy. The nikka has shown flashes but is nowhere near the dominant force that he was before. The game 4 that everybody was
over was par for the course for that nikka a few years back rather than the breakout game that it qualifies as now. Bosh was never a low post banger like that. He was always a finesse player. I remember when the team was put together wondering who their post presence was gonna be and if Lebron was gonna finally move to the low post because Bosh wasn't built like that. I recognize that Lebron's play has been
. He warrants any criticism that comes his way based on how he's performed over his Finals career. However that doesn't mean we should just totally throw all reason out the window and totally ignore reality and what actually happened.Bynum didnt play in 2008, and averaged 7/3 in under 25 mins a game for the 09' and 10' Runs. He was a role player
As for Gasol, lebron would turn him into a spot up shooter like he did Bosh.I found this interesting and its true
" It is interesting that the commentators who criticize Kobe Bryant for supposedly not passing the ball frequently enough to Pau Gasol do not have anything to say about the way that the Heat utilize Bosh on offense; Bosh was a more prolific scorer as the number one option in Toronto than Gasol was as the number one option in Memphis, so anyone who believes that the Lakers' offense should revolve around Gasol is being hypocritical if he does not say the same thing about Bosh and the Heat's offense (I do not think that the Lakers' offense should revolve around Gasol nor do I think that the Heat's offense should revolve around Bosh but I also think it is evident that playing with Bryant enhanced Gasol's individual numbers while leading to team success; the jury is still out about how playing with James and Wade has impacted Bosh)."
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We comparing 3rd options to 2nd options now?
Pau's best numbers with Kobe came as the 2nd option. They dipped when he moved to the third option. Bosh would be putting up better numbers consistently (scoring at least) if he wasn't the 3rd banana. The offense needs to run through Bron punishing nikkas in the post. If you wanna shyt on Lebron about anything it should be the fact that that doesn't happen night in and night out.
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Lakers 2009 NBA FINALS CHAMPIONS(4-1)
2009 NBA Finals Composite Box Score | Basketball-Reference.com
Kobe 32.4, 5.6reb 7.4asst
2nd best player was GASOL avg 18.6, 9.2reb 2.2ast
3rd best Odom 13.4, 7.4 reb, 0.8ast
Bynum avg 6pts 4reb 0.6 asst
LAKERS 2010 NBA FINALS CHAMPIONS(4-3)
2010 NBA Finals Composite Box Score | Basketball-Reference.com
Kobe 28.6, 8.0reb 3.9asst
2nd best player Gasol 18.6, 11.6reb 3.7asst
3rd best player Metta World Peace 10.6, 4.3reb 1.3 asst
BYNUM avg 7.4, 5.1reb 0.0asst
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/58...rn-last-3-finals-apperances.html#.Ub-3V_mgmgw
now bronze fans trying to take credit away from kobe biggin up bynum and gasol
check their stats in the back to back finals....
what next bron needs lamar odom?
the smell of desperation
Let's take a gander at the Heat's last 3 Finals series to see how the "supporting cast" compares to laker's last 3
2011
Wade 26.5pts 7.0rb 5.2ast 1.5blk 1.5stl
Bosh 18.5pts 7.3rb
2012
Wade 22.6pts 6.0rb 5.2ast 1.4stl 1.2blk
Bosh 14.6pts 9.4rb
2013
Wade 20pts 2.8rb 5.4ast 2.4stl 1.0blk
Bosh 14.6pts 8.8rb 2.2ast 2.0stl 1.6blk
vs.
2008
Pau 14.7pts 10.2rb 3.3ast
Bynum 0.0pts 0.0rb 0.0blk
2009
Pau 18.6pts 9.2rb 2.2ast
Bynum 6pts 4rbs
2010
Pau 18.6pts 11.6rb
Bynum 7.4pts 5.1rb
So Bosh damn near equals Pau, despite being a 3rd option compared to Pau being #2 ...while Wade is far and away been the best "supporting player" on either team and Bynum a relative non factor...more specifically, because on general terms this is pretty silly exercise, Pau in particular is a terrible pairing for Lebron as his "second"...He's a naturally passive player that's not the type of naturally aggressive scorer that either Wade or Bosh are, but was a natural fit with kobe who is a hyper aggressive offensive player...this idea that Pau Gasol is (or was even in his prime) some kind of offensive powerhouse in the Post who you can just throw the ball in and let him dominate is ridiculous
...at his best he may be able to match Bosh's offensive output...but who's prone to shrinking in pressure moments and overpassing at times, or being taken out of his game by physical play...you match him with Lebron and what happens when he decides to go into passive bytch-made mode at the same time Pau is having menstrual cramps? The heat are likely swept by the Mavs instead of losing in 6, not like Pau and his godly post game was gonna transform into Prime Hakeem and drop 40 to make up for Bron scoring 8pts in a finals game... Lebron walking the ball up, dishing it off to Pau in the post who refuses to attack and dishes it off it off to who else but the man himself...MARIO CHALMERS It all comes down to chalmers folks
Seriously...it all depends on Bron...if he plays like a bytch in the finals when he got DWade putting up Finals MVP numbers, averaging 27 a game in the finals...trust Pau freaking Gasol in his place is not gonna be the remedy
...you're just increasing the scoring responsibility of Bron, and asking him to be MORE aggressive...which already seems to be the problem...except you replace Wade with Pau and it means less fast breaks and points in transition, which means more half court set offense...trust me Bron fans, you're better off with Wade....if he plays like he's capable of (or billed as being), he can win with far less talent than is currently on the heat...in my estimation he's been in PRIME position to win the last 4 titles (with this one still in the balance), just a matter of getting it done...instead this nikka is on a goddamned SUPER TEAM and we're still going " imagine if he played with such and such" ...it's disgustingI don't expect anything less from Bone$.
Knaw I'm not downplaying wade and bosh, but @FTBS just made the point I was saying.. If this and is 06 wade then thingss are different.. To say bron with the role players and bigs kobe has had would not put in work is nutso
And yea bron will be much critiqued if they don't pull thru tonight and Thursday , it is what it is.. And none of these Nyggas is jordan, so them comparisons is corn too.. It just different
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He deserves every bit of heat he's getting and any likely heat in the event that they lose. The Jordan convo should never happen again, period. There is no need to make shyt up or ignore shyt in order to shyt on him he's provided plenty of real life reasons to do that.
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Brehs, yall not thinking this thing all the way through. Bynum would eat at the 3-point line with Bron
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Brehs, yall not thinking this thing all the way through. Bynum would eat at the 3-point line with Bron
*At practice the coach tells Bynum and Pau they need to alter their game to float along the perimeter to unclog the paint for Bron and open up the drive and kick*
Bynum: I won't get yanked for pulling up for three...it's actually encouraged