How much more proof do R&B singers need that their fans don't want to hear them rap.

[Street Knowledge]

And then they wonder why Bruno went plat and got all them awards..

People wanna hear singers sing like back in the day..

I mean shyt it was subtle in r&b songs about getting p*ssy...now singers just openly talking about fukking bytches and shyt.

It's like singers tryna be just as vulgar as the rappers now.

 

[087532652350]

it's worse when r&b singers have random ass rappers like asap rocky spitting awkward 8s on their song

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I remember jamming to this shyt on the radio, pulled it up on Spotify and was

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

Heck, Parliament Funkadelic's, Bootsy Collins, Michael Jackson and Prince to name a few have many songs where they rap some of their lyrics. James Brown has done it too which is why he's apart of the foundation for Hip-Hop.

Rapping in the vulgar Hip-Hop sense is what I think you're referring obviously from OP but singers have mixed rhyming spoken word elements in their music for decades.

This isn't a new phenomena.

 

[FlimFlam]

All of the above and on top of all that you have to spend cash money to cultuvate and maintain a singer in addition to all other standard expenses .....the contemporary music industry aint with all that

Lot of these nikkas with a lil bread behind prolly got their arm twisted into rappin/rap singing...n what one wont do 300 others would

 

[Jimmy Two-Times™]

it's worse when r&b singers have random ass rappers like asap rocky spitting awkward 8s on their song

Because he's not a good artist. Like Dave East, nikkas just like the way they look over substance.

In school I remember someone saying they like Kanye West because he dresses well. I almost barfed.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Nobody did it better than Bobby Brown, gave you 8 to 12 simple ass bars and got back to the bridge

 

[Somebody]

I'm only familiar with those first 2 Weeknd songs you posted, but there's a difference between rapping and doing a half-singing/half-rapping melody. The Weekend is doing the latter in the those first 2 videos.

Weeknd is good, but Breezy still better imo

this is a rap song and breezy don’t got one that could match

 

[Kenny West]

I don't even want to get into HOAFM because, I've defended it multiple times. But you're saying the "X" album was a flop?

It had singles but yes that was a forgettable ass album and i doubt the numbers are worth a fukk

I think you are taking many of those situations out of context,I followed Trey from the beggining. He gained more success slowly,like new artist are supposed to. He gained traction after "Cant Help But Wait" and "Last Time" which are true rnb records. Then he came back with the 3rd album and blew up off Invented Sex which is more rnb than hiphop.

Ive been listening to his music since I gotta make it. Dude didnt break out forreal pre Ready until the mixtape run.

Lol @ invented sex being rnb...a sing rap verse from trey and a straight up rap verse from drake = rnb?

Idk why nikkas trying to argue as if his post-Ready catalog hasnt been way lighter on the hiphop for a fraction of the buzz, especially the album that directly followed Ready.

Chris Brown mad his comeback off "No Bullshyt" that came from the mixtape,but is a rnb record. Then he came back with Dueces that cemented it,which is a rnb record. The singles that really gave those guys life were rnb records! So none of them needed to "lean in to rap" to do what they did.

Gtfo dueces not no damn rnb record. 3 straight rap verses and a halfway rapped hook= rnb now? You smokin

No bullshyt didnt revive his career either. It went in the clubs but nah...he was being blackballed heavy and still had a terrible image in the media. No song off that tape could pull him out. It wasn't until Deuces really.

I mean we can argue semantics all day but you'd still be ignoring the elephant in the room that is that most of the biggest songs in Chris post rihanna catalog are hiphop singles surrounded by flopping rnb singles and mediocre albums

Here you have a point,but we don't know what this proves other than people have learned to accept and tolerate it because theres a legion of people doing it,and it has become standard. What you are missing is that It has become a standard for rnb because rnb singers have CHOSEN to dumb themselves down to the level of rappers and use basic ass writing,less instrumentation,because they see it CAN be profitable and its much easier to make. Where have we seen this before though? Remember rappers dumbing themselves down swearing fans were dumb,and just wanted to party and didn't want to hear lyrical rap? But then artist like Kendrick and Jcole proved fans will actually buy and support music that sounds like artist took more time and thought into crafting it. Sure young fans are okay listening to that style of rnb because its the norm for them and what they grew up on. Doesn't mean they are stupid and wouldn't support music that showed greater singing talent and musicality behind it. I can 100% guarantee,not only would they support it more than they are supporting the trippie redds,swae lees,torey lanez,lil uzis of the world. BUt just like with hiphop,older fans who had a higher standard,would also support just like we did with Kendrick. RNB isn't meant to be for certain age groups,yet RNB singers are alienating entire generations of potential supporters by not making real rnb. All in order to fill up clubs for a little while,have singles downloaded,and make quick 360 obligated money for their label.

On the real blame the fans. nikkas these days just not checking for talent like that, just catchy tunes and dikkriding image. Singing or rapping. This is why rappers can just slide in their lane like that. Musiq soulchild, tank and them nikkas didn't just disappear off the earth one day, people just weren't checking for their music no matter how good they sing. Idk when or why, but talent started to produce an inverse effect on success in music.

And god help the newer artists. Remember when remember when people though Jazmine sullivan had next? Jennifer hudson? Jesse Boykins? Tinashe


Talent that washed away...But Jhene Aiko endures making the same type music the thread complains about


Yall should support these singing ass singers if you care about em so much. My favorite rnb artist at the moment (abra) pretty much tours exclusively overseas on some kelly rowland shyt.

 

[satam55]

I don't even want to get into HOAFM because, I've defended it multiple times. But you're saying the "X" album was a flop?

It had singles but yes that was a forgettable ass album and i doubt the numbers are worth a fukk

You do realize the "X" album is considered arguably Chris' best album? If you do a poll of what's Chris' best album, "X" will definitely be in the top 3.


Also I don't know if you realize this, but when the RIAA announced in late 2015 that streaming numbers would count towards album sales, that also affected older albums/singles from before that new rule. So a lot of older albums (& singles) have gotten new RIAA certifications since than. Chris Brown has benefitted well from this new rule. So the "X" is now a Platinum album.

 

[Kenny West]

You do realize the "X" album is considered arguably Chris' best album? If you do a poll of what's Chris' best album, "X" will definitely be in the top 3.

Nah.

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Also I don't know if you realize this, but when the RIAA announced in late 2015 that streaming numbers would count towards album sales, that also affected older albums/singles from before that new rule. So a lot of older albums (& singles) have gotten new RIAA certifications since than. Chris Brown has benefitted well from this new rule. So the "X" is now a Platinum album.

New rules certifications can be driven by singles. Loyal carried that entire album, triple plat when the new rules applied. New Flame and fine china was dope too. But really that was it.



I actually think Fine China was hella underrated, one of his best songs. But all in all bruh, you have a point it does have the official accolades now. But I was alive and well when that album came out and it wasn't buzzing like that. Critics may have praised it but Chris was pretty much firmly a singles artist at that point.

 

[satam55]

You do realize the "X" album is considered arguably Chris' best album? If you do a poll of what's Chris' best album, "X" will definitely be in the top 3.


Also I don't know if you realize this, but when the RIAA announced in late 2015 that streaming numbers would count towards album sales, that also affected older albums/singles from before that new rule. So a lot of older albums (& singles) have gotten new RIAA certifications since than. Chris Brown has benefitted well from this new rule. So the "X" is now a Platinum album.

Nah.

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New rules certifications can be driven by singles. Loyal carried that entire album, triple plat when the new rules applied. New Flame and fine china was dope too. But really that was it.



I actually think Fine China was hella underrated, one of his best songs. But all in all bruh, you have a point it does have the official accolades now. But I was alive and well when that album came out and it wasn't buzzing like that. Critics may have praised it but Chris was pretty much firmly a singles artist at that point.

Well that's your personal opinion his CB's top 3 albums. Having read old threads/posts in The Booth, on KTT, comment sections, & social media over the last 7 months. The consensus from CB's core fans is they have "X" in their top 3 CB albums, if not #1.

The problem I have about the complaint that the new streaming rules causes hit singles to drive album sales is, how is that any different from when people used to buy CDs? Back in the 90's & early 2000's when people bought CDs when I was growing up, having multiple hit singles on a album ALWAYS drove album sales

 

[Kenny West]

Well that's your personal opinion his CB's top 3 albums. Having read old threads/posts in The Booth, on KTT, comment sections, & social media over the last 7 months. The consensus from CB's core fans is they have "X" in their top 3 CB albums, if not #1.

The problem I have about the complaint that the new streaming rules causes hit singles to drive album sales is, how is that any different from when people used to buy CDs? Back in the 90's & early 2000's when people bought CDs when I was growing up, having multiple hit singles on a album ALWAYS drove album sales

Because back then word of mouth, maaaaaybe even album reviews would effect it over time more than the singles.

It's different than just straight up counting the spins a couple songs as reception of the album as a whole. It kinda freezes out concept albums or albums aren't singles driven in general (4:44) . Lets not forget than singles numbers can be manipulated as well.

Besides while singles did help, you exaggerate. Early 2000's was the golden era of one and done singles artists. "ringtone rap". Even soulja boy could barely squeak out a plat with one of the biggest rap singles of all time and flopped every album therafter. (while still dropping hits!)

It's probably that era that made this shyt go downhill lowkey. Crank that had dropped under new rules coli nikkas would be saying it's as successful as thriller

 

[satam55]

Because back then word of mouth, maaaaaybe even album reviews would effect it over time more than the singles.

It's different than just straight up counting the spins a couple songs as reception of the album as a whole. It kinda freezes out concept albums or albums aren't singles driven in general (4:44) . Lets not forget than singles numbers can be manipulated as well.

Besides while singles did help, you exaggerate. Early 2000's was the golden era of one and done singles artists. "ringtone rap". Even soulja boy could barely squeak out a plat with one of the biggest rap singles of all time and flopped every album therafter. (while still dropping hits!)

It's probably that era that made this shyt go downhill lowkey. Crank that had dropped under new rules coli nikkas would be saying it's as successful as thriller

Ehhh.....I think you're confusing the early 2000's with the late 2000's.

 

[Another Man]

Naw, Chris is actually a good rapper. But him being an R&B singer, I don't care to hear him rap.

This. There are many other rappers out here who are way better at it. He excels at singing.