They new rules didn't make it easier for any level of NBA athlete. What the hell are you talking about?
How The fukk Is It Possible To Be BY FAR The Best Shooter In The League And The Best Finisher At The
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Little bit different. The center position was not played with a dude with range and could handle the ball. Their was also not as much as a premium on shooting 40 threes a game. Nor was defenses not allowed to be physical with wing defenders.
Just how it is now. Folks get up tight and think you are hating but the game is played different now. No more different than saying man can you imagine a young Randy Moss or Jerry Rice playing in a pass happy league like there is now where the middle of the field is wide open and safeties and LBs can't give WRs kill shots.
14 votesOh @Raul, on your point of getting laughed off another board if you dared to compare Draymond to Rodman -
Current Draymond v. Prime Rodman - RealGM
Draymond Green reminds me of the Dennis Rodman of the Bulls - RealGM
bububut you would've been laughed off to Bolivia. Checkmate.
Dude I said that the modern game has actually opened the game up more for great athletes. There are rules in place to take away the physicality. You have to be more mobile to play positions then in the past. You don't see slow plodding PFs and Centers than in the past. You also have to be more versatile to guard multiple positions. This is directly a result in the rule changes.
The league even mentioned they did this to speed up the game. Some execs felt that the rules such as zone and no hand checking was to help the white American and European players. But the rules actually had a different result it actually put a premium on more mobile and athletic guys. Which in turn we even saw more black foreign players who could replicate the speed and athleticism that we see with black American players.
So I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Yep also they didn't play the game as they do now where on fast breaks you run to the 3 line. So think how many times on a fast break they filled lanes and finished at the goal. I can see how that can give you 2 or 3 more assist a game.
Come on now Raul I know you hate Draymond is good....lol
His versatility really helps the warriors in all phases. He is just a jack of all trades.
For the hundredth time on this godforsaken ignorant forum...
I didn't say Draymond sucks.
I said Draymond is overrated.
Brotha I know I am just messing with you. Trust we see eye to eye on a lot of things.
Is this a joke. I literally can't believe what I just read. But for the sake of being honest looks look at the tape.
21 seconds - all 5 defenders within a step of the paint
33 seconds - 2 defenders in the paint and KJ within a step of the paint
39 seconds - 3 defenders in the paint, one defender within a step of the paint
51 seconds - MJ double teamed, 2 defenders in the paint, 1 defender within a foot of the paint
56 seconds - 3 defenders in the paint, 2 defenders within a foot of the paint
1:05 - 3 defenders in the paint
1:13 - 4 defenders in the paint
1:35 - 3 defenders in the paint on a semi-fastbreak
2:22 - 5 defenders in the paint
2:32 - 5 defenders in the paint
2:38 - 4 defenders in the paint
3:10 - 5 defenders in the paint
3:20 - 4 defenders in the paint, 1 defender within a foot of the paint
3:27 - 3 defenders in the paint
3:37 - MJ double teamed, 2 defenders in the paint
I could keep going, but I shouldn't really have to. It is well known that the major way basketball is different today than in the 90s is the growth of the 3 point shot. Last year the Warriors attempted 2217 3 pointers and made 883 of them. In 1992-1993, the year that video is from, the Bulls attempted 669 threes and made 244. Follow me here. That's not a, "hey lets shoot a couple more threes tonight" difference, but rather a fundamental different approach and strategy. The reason MJ's spacing on the Bulls is no where near the level of spacing that Steph has is because the three point shot was not that important back then. And guess what, if the Warriors keep up their current pace they will be on track to attempt 2544 threes for the year. I completely stand by previous statement.
MJ or Shaq on a team where the three pointer is a major weapon would deal with less help because teams would have to worry about giving wide open threes. I really don't know why this is so hard to understand. It's basic logic. With all of this being said, I'm a big fan of Steph and the Warriors. I liked him in Davidson and I wish the Wizards would have drafted him instead of trading for Mike Miller and Randy Foye. At the same time I have to call it like I see it. The game of basketball that is being played today is fundamentally different than it was in the 90s. These days, defenders have to be able to guard in space. Back then things were very congested because the 3-point shot was less of a threat. If you want to respond with logical argument telling me that I'm wrong I'd love to hear it...
This post has a lot of half truths. Then the comparison to today's NFL to yesterday's when most defensive players will tell you the NFL is much more hard today than it was in the 2000 and players are getting even bigger and faster and training is superior compared to the 90s
We comparing NBA finals spacing to the regular season. This is why I can't get with a lot of posters on this site. It's like you a bunch of idiots. Man, leave basketball to nikkas like me who watched the games in the 90s recently, not just youtube playoffs games with Jordan highlights
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U make a good point, but I think u are completely disreguarding zone defense. Of course there is a lot more space cause of having a lot more shooters, however; back then u had to stay with your man no matter what. Iso players dominated cause help D could not just shade and cheat off their assignment. The paint back then was congested no where near as much as today, cause the rules did not allow that shyt back then. The 1-4 island that the Bulls ran for years gave MJ A whole side of the court to work with, so rotations would be late as hell due to the fact that unless a hard double, if their man was on the other side of the court then the defender had to stay with him. The paint was wide fukkin open during iso's vs good shooting teams like ORL, UTA, PHX, etc.
The new rules was suppose to hurt isolation players, and at first, it REALLY did. Numbers were down across the board. Jerry fukkin Stackhouse got a scoring title around that time if I'm not mistaken. Once the league was loaded again, players and teams adjusted to the game. As soon as 07 U had 10 nikkas over 25ppg. Mid range game picked up, 3pters off the dribble picked up, and scoring in the paint took a while, but eventually picked up.
Y'all can talk all that 90's shyt (and I'm not no early 20's kid who is unfamiliar, ill be 30 this year
) but its crazy how u nikkas completely disreguard how a zone is harder than being able to put a damn hand on a nikka, and how back then teams got like 7 more possessions per game and scored much more points.I can't see how nikkas continue to shyt on current defense l, when their is more talent in the player pool, but yet they still ain't scoring as much as they were back then. nikka, the bottom 5 teams in the L still averaged over 100ppg with no problem. Let's be real fam.
Lol, so you are just going to ignore the fact that the Warriors shot 3 times more three's than the Bulls in the regular season...
. You're embarrassing yourself breh. I'm never ceased to be amazed at people's ability to fight logic and facts with nothing but their opinion. The thing is though, this is not something that's up to opinion. It is factual. These Warriors have significantly more floor spacing than the 90s Bulls. Now, if you want to respond to me with a logical argument explaining why I'm wrong I welcome it. But I'm done responding to nothing but your opinion because I feel like you are trolling me.
My thing isn't really thinking about how crazy this season is, but is there really any way for him to top this year? Can he seriously get any better at basketball from this point? If I'm being nitpicky you can say cut down on turnovers, but ain't that about it? Is it possible for ole boy to be this good for years to come?
I'll give you that Zone defense slows people down because players are allowed to guard an area. But we are not talking about the entire league, we are specifically talking about why Steph Curry has one of the best FG% in the paint ever. Read this quote from Greg PoppovichU make a good point, but I think u are completely disreguarding zone defense. Of course there is a lot more space cause of having a lot more shooters, however; back then u had to stay with your man no matter what. Iso players dominated cause help D could not just shade and cheat off their assignment. The paint back then was congested no where near as much as today, cause the rules did not allow that shyt back then. The 1-4 island that the Bulls ran for years gave MJ A whole side of the court to work with, so rotations would be late as hell due to the fact that unless a hard double, if their man was on the other side of the court then the defender had to stay with him. The paint was wide fukkin open during iso's vs good shooting teams like ORL, UTA, PHX, etc.
The new rules was suppose to hurt isolation players, and at first, it REALLY did. Numbers were down across the board. Jerry fukkin Stackhouse got a scoring title around that time if I'm not mistaken. Once the league was loaded again, players and teams adjusted to the game. As soon as 07 U had 10 nikkas over 25ppg. Mid range game picked up, 3pters off the dribble picked up, and scoring in the paint took a while, but eventually picked up.
Y'all can talk all that 90's shyt (and I'm not no early 20's kid who is unfamiliar, ill be 30 this year
I can't see how nikkas continue to shyt on current defense l, when their is more talent in the player pool, but yet they still ain't scoring as much as they were back then. nikka, the bottom 5 teams in the L still averaged over 100ppg with no problem. Let's be real fam.
Thompson: Warriors will try to beat Bulls' 72-10
You see, your points about zone defense are made moot because when defenders are guarding shooters they can't leave to guard an area. This is what Pop means when he says they are "unsolvable." And this is why the Warriors are so effective and specifically why Curry has the best FG% of any guard ever. Now, your point would be more relevant if we were talking about a team other than the Warriors, but we are not. More so, what I am saying is that if MJ played on a team in this era, where he was surrounded by good shooters that defenders couldn't leave, for example, if prime MJ was playing with Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes and Andre Igoudola his numbers would be even more efficient than they were back then. And the same goes for Shaq and any other great offensive player that plays with guys who can't shoot (Switch Klay Thompson for Andre Robeson and see what happens to Kevin Durants and Russell Westbrooks' efficiency numbers).