How the hell did Dr Gero create beings/Cyborgs more powerful than Frieza?

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

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But OP is right. The fact that a mere human Bernie Sanders looking dude was able to build machines stronger than the strongest beings in the world was insane.


If he had more prep time, he could have built a machine as strong as the Super Saiyan Gods.

Well technically he did, cause aint 17 on their level?

I would say it's more of an infinite stamina thing rather than 17 being powerful on their level. Combine with Jiren being fatigued from his battle with Ultra Instinct Goku.

 

[Starboy52]

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But OP is right. The fact that a mere human Bernie Sanders looking dude was able to build machines stronger than the strongest beings in the world was insane.


If he had more prep time, he could have built a machine as strong as the Super Saiyan Gods.

Well technically he did, cause aint 17 on their level?

This is another good point. How tf did 17 get on par with SSB Goku? I thought one of the big drawbacks for the Androids was that they couldn't sense energy and couldn't manually raise their own power levels without upgrades. Who gave 17 the "Slap Box With God" Program?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I would say it's more of an infinite stamina thing rather than 17 being powerful on their level.

Nah homie was going toe to toe with Jiren just like Goku, Vegeta, and Gold Frieza.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Nah homie was going toe to toe with Jiren just like Goku, Vegeta, and Gold Frieza.

Remember Jiren wasn't at full power from his battle with Goku when 17 and Frieza took him on together. Even Goku, Vegeta and Golden Frieza were getting washed by a full power Jiren, so imagine what would have happened to 17.

The infinite stamina thing combined with Jiren's fatigue caused 17 to be viable option in that battle rather than a liability. And the one hit that truly did get on Jiren it was more that he caught him off guard.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You forget, Gero had been scoping Son Goku since the OG Dragonball when he was working for the Red Ribbon Army. So, accordingly, he'd done ALL that work in about 10 years since Son destroyed the entire organization.​

 

[MMS]

he originally never planned to have them in the story but his editor made him add them because he didn't like the first two androids which were suppose to be the main villains of the arc and get stronger the more they absorbed ki, which would've made more sense. Everything after the Freeza arc is trash though, because that's where the shyt was suppose to end by the success made the company forced toriyama to keep coming up with more

those first two androids were more terrifying than the second two imo

 

[Emoryal]

No it's not, when he planned the original story Freeza was the last boss, but when the manga got popular it was already extended by the company before he even got to freeza saga, the anime is based on the manga so by the time the anime was out he already had it finished

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? DRAGONBALL was already a super popular manga in japan. And now you're saying shonen jump FORCED toriyama to continue writing? Just stop.

 

[Ironman]

We acting like perfect cell aint goat

My man pulled up and made an open challenge to the entire planet. Gave Earth 10 days for ANYONE to come through for the fade and what does he do after that call out? He waits

 

[Kingshango]

Power levels are bullshyt. Piccolo can get bodied by Nappa but then go one on one with phase 2 Frieza (yeah I know Nail but c’mon now).

Oh and Tien holding back semi Perfect Cell with that wack ass move.

 

[Ironman]

This is another good point. How tf did 17 get on par with SSB Goku? I thought one of the big drawbacks for the Androids was that they couldn't sense energy and couldn't manually raise their own power levels without upgrades. Who gave 17 the "Slap Box With God" Program?

He's not actually just very intelligent and with unlimited energy he's highly skilled. Goku only used Blue on him to show the type of power he'd be facing in the tournament. He never actually went all out

 

[parallax]

Toriyama claims since cell wasn’t organic he can’t comeback which is bs, he just wouldn’t know what to do with that Mothafukka

shyt then let there be another pod growing a second cell whos been absorbing data on everything since cells release, with no dependence on androids for pefrection. or make it so theres androids willing to be absorbed on some cell deification shyt

 

[5n0man]

Toriyama said himself he intended for frieza saga to be end of the series

the android arc was when the series stopped making sense, the power levels no longer made sense, the Piccolo and Android 17 fight as well as Goku vs Cell were the only good fights and those were in the cell saga not the android saga which was complete trash

I never said that wasn't his intent, but he was also open to the idea of the story continuing.

The power levels didn't make sense in the android arc because 17, 18 and cell weren't originally included. Android 19 and 20 were supposed to be the antagonist and they were originally supposed to start off weaker than the Z fighters while getting stronger by absorbing people like cell did. He got a bad reaction from the android design and created 17 and 18 on the fly.

 

[5n0man]

And why did he give himself & Android 19 different, less efficient models of power with the absorption nodes, which require physical contact or being in close proximity to a high powered individual to even work?

Gero wasn't sure about how reliable an android that was still mostly human compared to all mechanical

Android 16 was the strongest android Gero created, but the android was designed to resemble his dead son so he never intended for him to fight unless neccessary.

 

[5n0man]

He got more info from Freiza when Freiza returned to Earth. Cell said so himself.

That’s why Trunks was shocked at how much stronger the Androids were compared to his timeline.

Frieza was still far weaker than a super saiyan and considering how legendary and mythical they made the super saiyan form seem up until that point, it's kinda silly that some old human could design a robot with that type of power level.

It also makes no sense for the androids to be as durable as they are considering they are still 95 percent human.

 

[Kenny West]

Tori did plan to end it after frieza.

He never stated it officially but his assistants confirmed he felt it in private.

Every Time Akira Toriyama Almost Ended Dragon Ball

Planned to end it a bunch of other times too.