How to ACTUALLY Deal with Undocumented Immigration?
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DON'T HIRE THEM 
Secure Da Bag
Veteran
Well we've only known of this solution (fining businesses) since 1980. And was reminded of it in 2000. 
We've already talked about stabilizing Mexico, Central American, and South American countries to prevent mass migration as well.
The one thing he didn't mention, and I doubt he'd mentioned it, is revisiting birthright law and making English the official language.
But other than that, I'm glad he put on his thinking cap and got on the wave.
We've already talked about stabilizing Mexico, Central American, and South American countries to prevent mass migration as well.
The one thing he didn't mention, and I doubt he'd mentioned it, is revisiting birthright law and making English the official language.
But other than that, I'm glad he put on his thinking cap and got on the wave.
Perfectson
Banned
Make English the official language , nah we can't do that!!!
Supercoolmayo
Superstar
Legalizating everyone who crosses the border
Only correct answer. You go after the employers hiring them. Any other solution is either ineffective or inhumane.DON'T HIRE THEM
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
deport. Tolerance will lead to excuses/efforts for providing "basic human needs," which in turn will lead to excuses/efforts for "basic right to seek happiness," which in turn will lead to excuses/efforts for "basic right to get an education" etc.....which all will encourage more illegals to arrive
Bingo.
I'm all for punishing businesses, but even immigration services know they can't punish too tough without literally ruining the businesses themselves with fines that would bankrupt a lot of things already having by threads. This has been written about ad naseum.
The US was too lax on this and this is where we are.
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
Undocumented immigration isn't a problem. It needs no solution. Some immigrants don't have their documents. That's okay.
You vant to zee zeir paperz? Paperz, pleaze?
You vant to zee zeir paperz? Paperz, pleaze?
This fukking guy...
Maybe, don't break the law by hiring illegal labor and your business will be fine. That is the point of punishment, its supposed to be punitive for doing things harmful to society at large. The punishment is the deterrent from doing illegal things in the first place. The immigration is the symptom of the fact that there is a economic incentive to migrate to the united state illegal provided by businesses. Even when enforcement is on the immigration itself, there is an incentive to work around enforcement to migrate here because businesses still make it a worth while thing to do. You want to stop immigration you will do more by punishing businesses.
GnauzBookOfRhymes
Superstar
mandatory verification for employment
massive fines for businesses
make immigration violations subject to huge personal fines
massive fines for businesses
make immigration violations subject to huge personal fines
Nap can't just admit to himself that the Clintons and their cronies are bad people who believed and did bad shyt so he keeps on with their neoliberal agenda dead to the end.
nikka will be the biggest conservative in his callcenter before long.
nikka will be the biggest conservative in his callcenter before long.
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
We have laws in the way of taking advantage of an economic incentive? What are we, communists? Let's cut that red tape and make it perfectly legal to work here without zee paperz.This is so laden with buzzwords that its functionally dead in terms of saying anything relevant or criticalNap can't just admit to himself that the Clintons and their cronies are bad people who believed and did bad shyt so he keeps on with their neoliberal agenda dead to the end.
nikka will be the biggest conservative in his callcenter before long.
Only correct answer. You go after the employers hiring them. Any other solution is either ineffective or inhumane.
I care more about American businesses than illegal foreign laborers, frankly.
Do you think I'm making this shyt up?
How Restaurants Hire Undocumented Workers
Generally, ICE is looking to hold employers, not employees, accountable. The punishment for hiring undocumented workers are fines of $2,156 per worker. However, those numbers are flexible — ICE audits sometimes result in fines as large as $200,000, which would easily put even large restaurant groups out of business. For that reason, our sources say agents are often open to negotiation; they’ve seen restaurateurs get their six-figure fines down to as low as $12,000. However, that doesn’t prevent future raids. “They [ICE] almost always negotiate; it defeats their purpose to put you out of business,” says our immigration lawyer source. “But they’ll take your $12,000 and come back in six to eight months.”
While restaurants can usually bounce back, if their employees get caught in a raid they may not be so lucky. “Restaurateurs are able to survive the slaps on a wrist; when you deport people, you break up a family,” says Stewart. “You put kids into foster care, you deprive families of a key member and of an income. One punishment is far more severe than the other.”
Some of y'all really don't get how well-read I am about this or how seriously I take this issue.
Its not some hand-wavey bullshyt you can throw slogans at.
Theres real hard choices to be made and you have to make them.