How to turn NIMBYs into YIMBYs

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How to turn NIMBYs into YIMBYs

Economists do not agree on much, but they do almost all think that a shortage of housing is a big drag on the economy. Zoning laws and conservation rules have proliferated since the 1960s, with diktats on everything from the number of car-parking spaces to how pitched a roof must be. These have made it harder to get projects off the ground: house-building in the rich world, relative to population, has fallen by 50% since 1964. Low housing supply means higher prices, constraining cities’ growth and reducing productivity. One estimate suggests that restrictions lowered American output growth by a third between the 1960s and 2009.

Although most housing experts want more building, few spend much time thinking about how to make this happen. Some pin their hopes on the “yimby” movement—enthusiastic nerds who turn up to planning meetings and shout “yes” not “no” to having more houses “in my back yard”. But yimbys are few and their power limited. More encouragingly, politicians are waking up to the damage caused by distorted housing markets. In Britain the Conservative government talks a good game on boosting housebuilding. On September 1st America’s White House decried “exclusionary zoning laws and practices” and promised to raise the supply of affordable housing. Yet its talk of “relaunching partnerships” and “leveraging existing federal funds” hardly inspires confidence. Better solutions are needed.



 

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I think that Zoning might get a bad rap. There are many, many, many, places in America that have almost no Zoning at all.

Zoning does exist in well established cities, though...but even w/o zoning laws...those places are already developed. People gotta look elsewhere for land.
 

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I think that Zoning might get a bad rap. There are many, many, many, places in America that have almost no Zoning at all.

Zoning does exist in well established cities, though...but even w/o zoning laws...those places are already developed. People gotta look elsewhere for land.
They want to see everything looks like NY. The Bay Area definitely has a nimby problem but the transplants who push back on it do so with the expectation that people should just be ok with 20 story apartments being plopped any and everywhere. It’s like no, the way the bay looks appealed to people because they didn’t want the east coast concrete jungle
 

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Get rid of zoning and build up. Jokers just don't want increased supply because they fear it will negatively impact their property value.
 

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Nah...everywhere ain't to be built up on.

Pick an area for that and do it there. It has to make sense.

Nah that single family home bias in major metros needs to be thrown in the bushes for the most part, jokers want a traditionalist lifestyle they can go live further out in the suburbs or go live in 3rd and 4th tier cities. 1st and 2nd tier cities and bustling metros should give preference to density and amenities, and that's best achieved by building up. NIMBY's are stifling progress and dynamism with their bullshyt.
 

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Nah that single family home bias in major metros needs to be thrown in the bushes for the most part, jokers want a traditionalist lifestyle they can go live further out in the suburbs or go live in 3rd and 4th tier cities. 1st and 2nd tier cities and bustling metros should give preference to density and amenities, and that's best achieved by building up. NIMBY's are stifling progress and dynamism with their bullshyt.

How many of these 1st and 2nd tier cities do you think we have? I'm certain that most all of them already have the higher-density zoning that you'd like. Name the places you have in mind...
 

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How many of these 1st and 2nd tier cities do you think we have? I'm certain that most all of them already have the higher-density zoning that you'd like. Name the places you have in mind...

NYC and SF for example could absorb more high density building and they both are restrained by zoning laws among other things. SF in particular has a loud and powerful NIMBY contingent that has undermined constructing new housing. And NYC new construction has been stagnant for several decades.

And so given the economic importance of these type of cities people wanting traditional enclaves in the middle of elite cities shouldn't be given preference, as they can and should absorb more renters and homeowners.
 

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Selfishly I'll ask, I'm 10 miles away from Downtown Miami, @ogc163 , should my neighborhood be upzoned?

I'm not aware of the specifics of your area, and Miami notably has environmental constraints which aren't necessarily prevalent in other tier 1 and 2 cities.

But I'm curious do you think NIMBYism from a cost/benefit analysis has had a net positive impact on elite metros?
 

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I'm not aware of the specifics of your area, and Miami notably has environmental constraints which aren't necessarily prevalent in other tier 1 and 2 cities.

But I'm curious do you think NIMBYism from a cost/benefit analysis has had a net positive impact on elite metros?

It's a push. Elite metros are already extremely developed and have plenty of high density areas and probably have their on environmental concerns.

Maybe we should be developing new Elite metros in other places.
 

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People need to be more flexible. Housing is a major issue in DC and there’s actually a viable solution within our metro area called Baltimore. It’s full of affordable houses, but for some reason instead of incentivizing people to buy them the government ignores it, creates sprawl up county, and dithers around zoning issues.

One day Baltimore will be gentrified just like DC and the brownstone homes will be worth millions.
 

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How many of these 1st and 2nd tier cities do you think we have? I'm certain that most all of them already have the higher-density zoning that you'd like. Name the places you have in mind...

I don't think Raleigh does. Whoever decided that building wide was better than up was truly a moron. No doubt a greedy cac.
 

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I think that Zoning might get a bad rap. There are many, many, many, places in America that have almost no Zoning at all.

Zoning does exist in well established cities, though...but even w/o zoning laws...those places are already developed. People gotta look elsewhere for land.
its honesty the racism.

Zoning is a major issue...which became an issue...because of RACISM
 
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