Huffington Post headline - Documentary Claims Diddy Was Behind Tupac's Murder

[DPG]

Wasnt the same car bro .... Monk had a white cadalic already ..... The white cadalic that was used in the pac shooting was rent-a-car in terrence browns mothers name .... The car was simply giving back to the dealer ..... Monk got chipped in the early 2000s for anyone who is intrested ....

Yeah. That's what I heard from Greg Kading. It was returned to the rental agency in Long Beach. Other information is just from the affidavit, still pretty interesting nonetheless.

 

[Ol’Otis]

diddy was involved for sure

not sure about BIG tho

 

[Dirty D]

Ohh noo ... You not 1 ov these that thinks reggie wright set up pac n suge......

I don't put it outside the realm of possibility.

 

[kingofnyc]

Or his memory is shyt ... The nikka he picked out on the original line up n said it looked like him doesnt look anything like amir muhammed aswell.... Thing is kingovnyc volettta wallace and eugene deal are close thats why broomfield even got to interview him ... Anyway ... If voletta was so confident david mack / perez and amir muhammed killed her son based on what deal was saying about shaking muhammed off etc why did she retract her lawsuit ??? Pretty sure she would ov spoke to deal and maybe he wasnt as sure as he used to be ..... So let me ask you this ... If your so convinced amir muhammed chipped biggie then why does the nikkas own mother not feel this way ??.....

i'm pretty much sure I know what happened originally

they showed him the photo lineup he didn't see Amir on it and said well photo number 1 looks like the Muslim person
I don't know why you keep harping on something like he picked the wrong person you're being very disingenuous just like detective kading and his bullshyt documentary the fact is a few years later when they had the real picture of Amir -he identified him without a doubt that should be the only thing that counts
the fact that they said his picture was posted a couple times in the paper makeing the IDing of Amir (completely tainted) is utterly ridiculous


as far as Miss Wallace
I can't speak for her , she lost her son and been fighting over the years to get justice... she probably was fed up with the system and decided just to move on

 

[Bigsuk]

i'm pretty much sure I know what happened originally

they showed him the photo lineup he didn't see Amir on it and said well photo number 1 looks like the Muslim person
I don't know why you keep harping on something like he picked the wrong person you're being very disingenuous just like detective kading and his bullshyt documentary the fact is a few years later when they had the real picture of Amir -he identified him without a doubt that should be the only thing that counts
the fact that they said his picture was posted a couple times in the paper makeing the IDing of Amir (completely tainted) is utterly ridiculous


as far as Miss Wallace
I can't speak for her , she lost her son and been fighting over the years to get justice... she probably was fed up with the system and decided just to move on

Look am done goin bk n fourth with you , greg said he spoke with deal n he basically retracted what he said in " biggie and tupac" so i think his credablity on who the muslim nikka was is tanted , voletta retracted her lawsuit on amir muhammed thoery cause she knew it had holes in that thoery ..... Like i said before common sense what took place it was a hiphop beef that turned into a street beef ( blood vs crips)

 

[Bigsuk]

I don't put it outside the realm of possibility.

Its just silly bro ... If you think reggie set it up then that would mean orlando anderson would have had to be planted in the mgm ready to be beat up... Which is ridiculous considering mob and sscc were arch enimies back then in the 90s ..

 

[Bigsuk]

Yeah. That's what I heard from Greg Kading. It was returned to the rental agency in Long Beach. Other information is just from the affidavit, still pretty interesting nonetheless.

Yeah i agree .... I read the full 29 page affidavit compton p.d did a pretty good job considering it was done 2 or 3 weeks after pac was killed some ov the shyt was hearsay or rumours into that thats for sure .....like the original nikkas who were apprently in the car was lando , darnell brim , bobby finch , davion brooks ....which now we know aint true , they did the best they could gave all that info to lvmpd it could have helped them at least get orlando but they did fukk all .... Tim braaan and bobby lad were told from higher ups that they didnt want the case going to trial due to vegas becoming a family orinted place ... The last thing they wanted was a murder trial involving a bunch ov nikkas that were gangbangers that killed the biggest rapper at the time wasnt good for tourism... fukked up but thats wat they were told... Thats why the pac case got shelved ...

 

[Bigsuk]

diddy was involved for sure

not sure about BIG tho

Yeah i doubt big was involoved , biggies problem was he didnt think it was as serious as it actully was ...... He came to l.a on some smug shyt aswell the way he was coming across on the radio etc wasnt cool espically that sway interview that was the most disrespectful interview ever sway should have checked biggie with the blatant disrespect biggie was doing and to perform lkg" was distasteful... nikkas on the west were really not feeling badboy been there they felt cause pac was dead and big suge was locked that they could come though prance around and try to be on some take over type tip ....

 

[Still Benefited]

that's my point. Supposedly Puff hired this dudes Uncle to kill Pac and Suge and then they coincidentally catch this dude alone and jump him so Pac was jumping a dude that was basically already hired to kill him? shyt is just weird as fuk.

I used to think like you that it was too weird to happen like that,but then when you think about the fact Deathrow was a label full of crips,and Pac himself had crip connections....Its very likely Pac would've known what crip set had a hit out on em,and its very likely ol boy who whispered in Pacs ear simply told Pac that Orlando was part of that set....Maybe Pac thought it could happen that night,and decided to bomb first

Still a coincidence I know,and if it was anybody but Pac I would find it all too strange too believe in so many coincidences,but that nikka had a lot of crazy coincidences/weird occurences happen throughout his life....So for whatever reason these coincidences don't mean as much to me,i know if it is in fact some huge conspiracy,my thinking would be exactly what the masterminds would want people to think....But some times its just destiny

Or if you believe Chuck Phillips version which I believe also holds some truth,maybe its not much of a coincidence at all.

 

[Still Benefited]

Yeah i doubt big was involoved , biggies problem was he didnt think it was as serious as it actully was ...... He came to l.a on some smug shyt aswell the way he was coming across on the radio etc wasnt cool espically that sway interview that was the most disrespectful interview ever sway should have checked biggie with the blatant disrespect biggie was doing and to perform lkg" was distasteful... nikkas on the west were really not feeling badboy been there they felt cause pac was dead and big suge was locked that they could come though prance around and try to be on some take over type tip ....

Biggies blatant disrespect,and victory lap,along with the documentary actually point to his guilt more than Puffys to me at this point....Has there been any confirmation that Puffy MADE Biggie go to Cali? If Puffy doesn't know about the hit,he would have no reason to believe his artist shouldn't go to Cali if he's not thinking on a street level....And if biggie originally didn't want to go,you have to ask why?ANd you have to ask why he was getting so many death threats at the time,and apparently Puffy wasn't...The streets talk,I just don't see Puffy who ran out of Cali before Biggies body was cold,going to Cali in the first place if he had any reason to believe they was gunning for him,Biggie may have been taking all the heat,and been under all the pressure for good reason....you read that Chuck Phillips article,neither are in the clear in my eyes

 

[DarkmanX]

How did you feel about the documentary do you think greg is correct is what he is saying puffy/zip/ sscc all directly/indirectly involoved in pacs murder ... Suge/ threaea swann/ mob piru involoved in biggies murder ??? Whats your take on it ?

Ever since 1996 it's been facts that it was Orlando & his uncles. I said it here a couple of times before. It's not a secret. Now, was it on BEHALF of Diddy? Meh, i dont know. I'm not going for it that easy just cuz they say it neither. But the conspiracy theorists swore
2pac was chilling in Cuba, that it was the goverment, that Suge did it (which makes 0 sense) etc.

From my understanding, MOB & SSCC were already at war prior to that on some street shyt. That's why you had more killings between the gangs the following days of 2pac's death.
Orlando got killed on some random shyt at a carwash in 1998.

Now Biggie's death is more unclear to me. But i always believed it was retaliation or maybe SSCC based on payment (before this documentary came out!). But i always leaned on
retaliation more.

But the purpose behind this documentary is what i question. Cops hands aren't clean either i believe (no conspiracy nor am i blaming them for it all). Don't forget WHY the SSCC who just confessed did it (caught with drugs). So both have agendas. But it's not some super deep thing really - but everybody has been wanting to make a story & make $ - nor is it a conspiracy.

 

[Bigsuk]

Biggies blatant disrespect,and victory lap,along with the documentary actually point to his guilt more than Puffys to me at this point....Has there been any confirmation that Puffy MADE Biggie go to Cali? If Puffy doesn't know about the hit,he would have no reason to believe his artist shouldn't go to Cali if he's not thinking on a street level....And if biggie originally didn't want to go,you have to ask why?ANd you have to ask why he was getting so many death threats at the time,and apparently Puffy wasn't...The streets talk,I just don't see Puffy who ran out of Cali before Biggies body was cold,going to Cali in the first place if he had any reason to believe they was gunning for him,Biggie may have been taking all the heat,and been under all the pressure for good reason....you read that Chuck Phillips article,neither are in the clear in my eyes

Badboy gave themselfs a false sense ov security .. They had settled any previous beefs they had with the west , had sscc on stand by if they needed back up though zip ( they were rarly using them tho which they should have ) pac out the way , suge out the way ... They felt it was over ... Pure underestimation on there part ....

 

[Bigsuk]

Ever since 1996 it's been facts that it was Orlando & his uncles. I said it here a couple of times before. It's not a secret. Now, was it on BEHALF of Diddy? Meh, i dont know. I'm not going for it that easy just cuz they say it neither. But the conspiracy theorists swore
2pac was chilling in Cuba, that it was the goverment, that Suge did it (which makes 0 sense) etc.

From my understanding, MOB & SSCC were already at war prior to that on some street shyt. That's why you had more killings between the gangs the following days of 2pac's death.
Orlando got killed on some random shyt at a carwash in 1998.

Now Biggie's death is more unclear to me. But i always believed it was retaliation or maybe SSCC based on payment (before this documentary came out!). But i always leaned on
retaliation more.

But the purpose behind this documentary is what i question. Cops hands aren't clean either i believe (no conspiracy nor am i blaming them for it all). Don't forget WHY the SSCC who just confessed did it (caught with drugs). So both have agendas. But it's not some super deep thing really - but everybody has been wanting to make a story & make $ - nor is it a conspiracy.

Thats all i see it as puffy and suges power strugle and egos and jealousy... Then wen big jake from cpp got bodied by badboy affaites is wen shyt got serious i love pac to death and i know he had beef with biggie n puff over not been loyal in return but lets face it once suge got pac outta prison and down with mob he put a massive battery in pacs back n became suges mouthpiece b suge kept feeding ov pacs beefing with nikkas in particular puffy then he started going at dre thats the way i see it anyway Thats 1 reason like i said previously suge n pac did not make a good pair they kept feeding ov eachother and none ov them had any intention ov pullin the other aside n to say we should chill .... Whats more sickening is you got nikkas like jimmy iovine that sat back reeping up all this cash and didnt intervine and pull pac n suge aside he did not give a fukk only wen shyt got real and pac n big got bodied did he say shyt i dont wana be apart ov this nonesense....

 

[Dirty D]

Its just silly bro ... If you think reggie set it up then that would mean orlando anderson would have had to be planted in the mgm ready to be beat up... Which is ridiculous considering mob and sscc were arch enimies back then in the 90s ..

I'm not saying that's definitely what happened. But I'll lay out why I feel it's possible:

Reggie's efforts to make sure no one around Pac was armed as reported by the DR bodyguards

Michael Moore, one of those bodyguards, saying he heard someone telling Reggie "got em" right after the shooting on the walkie and then what he describes as a white person's voice saying "don't talk on the walkies" after that

He's a cop with connections to the Compton gangs department. He hired guys that ended up being undercover cops looking to build racketeering cases against Pac and Suge. And he comes off as a rat b*stard in every interview I've seen or heard him give, including the one right after Russell Poole died.

Even his appearance in this doc where he's chuckling about how it'd be easier to send Pac back to jail than kill him rubs me the wrong way.

So it's by no means a conclusive case but I don't rule out the possibility.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

2pac put hands on a reputable gang member. Little later that night 2pac got shot up. I don't see the mystery here, isn't it apparent the whip was lit up over that? People are crazy, lol.

some of you dudes are so full of chit.

youre leaving out the fact that those gang members were connected with puffy and were allegedly looking to collect on his bounty.

That's as far as it goes for me. Pac knows about the prior chain snatching incident. He swings on Baby Lane motivated by that. Baby Lane retaliates and kills him. I think it's that simple

and who was behind the chain-snatching??.........