:huhldup: Gawker: We Need Fewer College Graduates

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@Crakface nobody is saying the govt should tell people what to do. But since we are playing that game, and this ties into what @MeachTheMonster is saying, a large part of why college is being pushed so hard is because the govt is subsidizing & issuing loans, which gives colleges a blank check for tuition. Govt is subsidizing in a destructive way, and forcing people into decisions they might not have made otherwise through financial persuasion.

@Suicide_King I think there is value in college for go getters. You want to "go get", it won't hurt you to have skills and qualifications that are in demand. I mean I am an engineer. No matter how hard I hustle nobody would look at me for a full time gig w/o a degree. Likewise I wouldn't want to go to a doctor who hadn't been to school (ol Dr. Nick azz nikkas). But I don't think someone working at Starbucks needs a degree. And to a degree that demand is what's kind of fukking up the game.

 

[No1]

So, let me get this straight, you think, the American society, is going to be down with funding thousands of kids just randomly going around the world for a year before college...if they do go...

Everyone knows that people are getting useless degrees, but this solution is as idealistic as the notion that college will automatically open people's minds. I don't even know where to start with this crazy idea. All that EU stuff has so many ways it does not parallel the US its remarkable. The EU model is not comparable to the United States from a cost perspective and damn near in so many other ways I don't know where to start.

You can say that there are other ideas, but this travel around the world ish...my goodness if I wasn't about to go to class. I don't even know where to start with some of the other stuff in here like insinuating that reading a bunch of books at home means you have the equivalence of the education of a liberal arts major from an elite university. Hopefully someone else has the time today to refute all this because I have class.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Throw a stone... hide your hand... turn and run

Why respond to the thread at all....

A lot of other countries do national service. Much poorer countries than the US I might add, in many cases.

And travel can definitely expand horizons. Most Americans do not travel. Can you imagine the impact of, for example, a black kid going to a country where blacks are not given second class treatment? We live in a global economy and generally know little to nothing about the world we live in. There is definitely value in the gained perspective of travel.

But "run" to class.

 

[Serious]

And travel can definitely expand horizons. Most Americans do not travel. Can you imagine the impact of, for example, a black kid going to a country where blacks are not given second class treatment? We live in a global economy and generally know little to nothing about the world we live in. There is definitely value in the gained perspective of travel.

But "run" to class.

nah this going to turn into a discussion of most people being unable afford to traveling abroad and sh*t...

"Traveling abroad" is a luxury sohh to speak...

aka a social class issue..

what do I know I'm just some spoiled rich kid

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nah this going to turn into a discussion of most people being unable afford to traveling abroad and sh*t...

"Traveling abroad" is a luxury sohh to speak...

aka a social class issue..

what do I know I'm just some spoiled rich kid

All the more reason I think we should help kids do it

We dont have to put these kids up in luxury hotels... they can go to other countries and work for a couple of months. But it would be good for the country, I think. Way better than spending that same money to pay $25K/semester for a kid to graduate and work at Starbucks

 

[MeachTheMonster]

All the more reason I think we should help kids do it

We dont have to put these kids up in luxury hotels... they can go to other countries and work for a couple of months. But it would be good for the country, I think. Way better than spending that same money to pay $25K/semester for a kid to graduate and work at Starbucks

It makes sense on paper but I think the money would be waisted either way. The type of person who would go to school and get a dance degree to work at Starbucks is the same type that would travel to world, just to come home and still work at Starbucks. The idea of helping students pay for school is that when they get out they should be able to get a job and pay the money back. If we just start paying for kids to travel around the world we will never get that money back.

What we should do is only subsidize costs for degrees that actualy lead to careers, and quit paying for people to go to school for shytty degrees.

 

[Serious]

All the more reason I think we should help kids do it

We dont have to put these kids up in luxury hotels... they can go to other countries and work for a couple of months. But it would be good for the country, I think. Way better than spending that same money to pay $25K/semester for a kid to graduate and work at Starbucks

Honestly, the hardest part would be financing the plane ticket. The cost of living abroad in numerous countries is astronomically low.

If I had 25k in china

I start up like 5-8 different businesses...

 

[Street Knowledge]

Can't cosign this. We should direct the kids to get useful degrees like medical, engineering,ect. Too many kids go to college and spen a bunch of money getting a degree that would never get them a job. I know a girl with a bachelors degree in modern dance

The problem isn't that too many people are paying for school. The problem is too many people paying for school that won't help them make money in the future.

And furthermore if we are gonna talk about school being too expensive, that's the fault of American capitalism. It doesn't cost a college 10k a year to teach each student. Schools should not be in the business of making money, an educated populace is essential for a successful future. Schools should quit looking at students as $ and start looking at them as investments in our future.

Breh tell me your lying

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Breh tell me your lying

Naw. I'm dead serious. She's the daughter of a guy that I work with. The running joke is that he payed 40k for his daughter to be stripper. She's currently cheerleading for the local d-league basketball team and living in her parents basement

 

[Suicide King]

@Suicide_King I think there is value in college for go getters. You want to "go get", it won't hurt you to have skills and qualifications that are in demand. I mean I am an engineer. No matter how hard I hustle nobody would look at me for a full time gig w/o a degree. Likewise I wouldn't want to go to a doctor who hadn't been to school (ol Dr. Nick azz nikkas). But I don't think someone working at Starbucks needs a degree. And to a degree that demand is what's kind of fukking up the game.

There are people who want to be self-made or are a go getter (like an entrepreneur) or have other talents which college won't necessarily nurture (for example a singer or plumber). For some people a college education can be essential, and for others it might not affect their progress one way or the other. But, lately people are trying to say there is a third category, "get paid" "STEM or die."


Its one thing if people are graduating from college with the intention of working at Star Bucks, and its another thing if you have a below average person who couldn't do better with or without a degree. I know a guy who graduated with a Computer Technology degree from a for profit/shopping center college that cleans carpet for a living cause it pays better. We can say college didn't do him much good. So, formal education is not for everyone. But I still think college is about exploring possibilities and not just about a big pay off.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Can't cosign this. We should direct the kids to get useful degrees like medical, engineering,ect. Too many kids go to college and spen a bunch of money getting a degree that would never get them a job. I know a girl with a bachelors degree in modern dance

The problem isn't that too many people are paying for school. The problem is too many people paying for school that won't help them make money in the future.

And furthermore if we are gonna talk about school being too expensive, that's the fault of American capitalism. It doesn't cost a college 10k a year to teach each student. Schools should not be in the business of making money, an educated populace is essential for a successful future. Schools should quit looking at students as $ and start looking at them as investments in our future.

Yo, just remember one thing: sure, under certain bad economic conditions like ours certain subjects are less immediately "practical".

But here is why education ought to be a public investment, and why subjects that don't seem immediately practical are still nonetheless important (like the social sciences, and then the humanities; I'm not about to defend a B.A. in modern dance): Education and critical thinking make for better citizens, and that is something we're all interested in.

Some of you might say: There is no place for the state or education to build citizens, etc., but to that I reply: We're always being made particular types of people by powerful social and economic forces, and the state here is not the primary worry (don't forget that there are corporations and monied interests setting our agenda; some of you might call your choice between their items "freedom", but its always a "freedom of limited choices"). Education in political science, philosophy, economics, sociology, etc, here can do a lot even if it only teaches critical thinking.

For example, if budgets were reallocated, taxes were raised on the super rich and good education were better funded and came as a package with citizenship, the fool who thinks that Lil Wayne is the GOAT and who I don't trust with the vote can be better educated. He could learn to think critically, and practically about the world, because, in the end, political science, philosophy, economics, sociology, etc, offer lenses. Good education in those subjects helps people see their own position clearly, and informs whatever practical endeavor they seek in life. Good education in this sense can help bring down to earth the interested corporations benefitting from that fool's consumerist ignorance, and also make for a wiser, more critical and skepitcal citizenry that knows whats going down, holds leaders accountable (and doesn't think Lil Wayne is the GOAT).

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yo, just remember one thing: sure, under certain bad economic conditions like ours certain subjects are less immediately "practical".

But here is why education ought to be a public investment, and why subjects that don't seem immediately practical are still nonetheless important (like the social sciences, and then the humanities; I'm not about to defend a B.A. in modern dance): Education and critical thinking make for better citizens, and that is something we're all interested in.

Some of you might say: There is no place for the state or education to build citizens, etc., but to that I reply: We're always being made particular types of people by powerful social and economic forces, and the state here is not the primary worry, but corporations and monied interests. Critical education in political science, philosophy, economics, sociology, etc, here can do a lot.

For example, if budgets were reallocated, taxes were raised on the rich and good education were better funded and came as a package with citizenship, the fool who thinks that Lil Wayne is the GOAT and who I don't trust with the vote can be better educated. He could learn to think critically, practically about the world, because political science, philosophy, economics, sociology, etc, offer lenses. Good education in those subjects helps people see their own position clearly, and informs whatever practical endeavor they seek in life. Good education can therefore help bring down to earth the interested corporations benefitting from that fool's consumerist ignorance, and make for a wiser, more critical citizenry that knows whats going down, holds leaders accountable (and doesn't think Lil Wayne is the GOAT).

I agree with everything you said here, but it still doesn't change the fact that we should advocate that our kids get those immediately "practical" degrees. If they want to pursue other things they should be pursued as a minor or secondary subject, but paying 40k+ for something that won't make you any money in the long run is always a bad idea.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I agree with everything you said here, but it still doesn't change the fact that we should advocate that our kids get those immediately "practical" degrees. If they want to pursue other things they should be pursued as a minor or secondary subject, but paying 40k+ for something that won't make you any money in the long run is always a bad idea.

Exactly, and the terms of the problem would change if quality education wasn't 40k+ to begin with. That's thievery.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

America is already lagging in the education department. we need more college grads, the real problem doesnt get addressed by this article.

the real problem is the COST of the college education here.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

America is already lagging in the education department. we need more college grads, the real problem doesnt get addressed by this article.

the real problem is the COST of the college education here.

Exactly, there shouldn't be millionaire presidents, CEOs, coaches, etc while students can't afford classes. I've said it before and I'll say it again capitalism is holding America back.