I always thought it was odd that the Mexican Cartel would kill a DEA agent. The CIA was behind it

[Deus]

Drug Cartels Do Not Exist.

Of course they do. We got oil cartels, pharma cartels, fukking cereal cartels.

 

[staticshock]

Lot of dumb asses in this thread

 

[re'up]

Also, Rafa Quintero and his guys 100% ordered the murder, he was coked out of his mind, it was a split second decision made in anger. angry, feeling invincible, basically the Mexicans were convinced the US could never touch them in Mexico, and that the Mexican politicians they were paying, would protect them.

They underestimated the wrath of the 80's era "say no to drugs" and Reagan's administration. which had a fukking panic attack, shut down the borders, basically leaned HARD on Mexico to deliver, and the Mexican's were forced to give up their benefactors to maintain their position, and de escalate a trade war/political disaster.

They caught Rafa, but wouldn't hand him over the US, because he knew too much, that wasn't known, even in US law enforcement circles, about how deep the corruption went. So, Rafa did 28 years in Mexican prison, until he was released in August 2013, and came home to a mini empire in Sonora/Sinaloa, enough to keep him going, sending shipments to the US, through Baja California and Sonora ports of entry, Mexicali, TIjuana, Nogales.

Then the US wanted him again, and the Mexicans shielded him, until they couldn't, and he will probably be over here soon, because, now, he's persona non grata in both places. all his info is outdated, and all the politicians he could implicate are retired and wealthy, many times over. Living in Spain, or Montererry, whatever. Out of reach.

 

[EndDomination]

This makes a lot of sense. I was just telling my man that these gangs are clearly government affiliated in some way bc how else could they survive long enough to actually build up a whole gang? Sometime during that process of building, somebody found out something and decided to ignore it for their own reasons.

Like, somebody in that big 'this how fast they break into your car in SF' thread posted a video where a citizen had literally gotten footage and license plate numbers of ppl fencing the computers and shyt they be stealing and reported it to the lcal PD. It was a whole damn open air market right in front of his apt, nikkas was out there shooting dice. And nobody ever came.

Precisely it. The degree to which "organized crime" can function is through its proximity to governmental institutions. Of course "law enforcement" agencies are commonly involved in drug trafficking and sales, alongside labor and sex trafficking - but even if they don't have hands-on involvement, small-scale corruption, turning a blind eye out of laziness, and outright incompetence - allow the networks and systems to tighten and loosen.

The reality is they are all interconnected, and in some senses, interdependent, with local/state/federal government in Mexico.

They work together, and are intertwined, but they are not the exact same. it's not like they are all friends. But, they are connected, and friendly sometimes, and other times, not. In their time, the Beltryan-Leyva's/Sinaloa paid the top law enforcement official in the COUNTRY a million or so a month, during the height of the drug wars, 2006/2012. (he has been prosecuted by the US for his conduct, in 2023)

a lot of it is just class based.

The rancheros in Sinaloa vs. the elites in Mexico City,

the rancheros/farmers do the trafficking, the politicos take the bribes, and assist in political/state sponsored ways, like eliminating rivals, leaking info about DEA investigations,

but the organized crime groups have grown very very powerful in the last 20 years, more money plus less organization sometimes, with the effects of the kingpin strategy destabilizing large parts of the country. Also, the profits from cocaine fueled corruption, bribery, and private armed groups in the early 2000's. Then Felipe Calderon declared a war on drugs, but his cabinet (see above) in part, was financed by, and backing the Sinaloa Cartel, as they tried to take various plazas, Tijuana, NL, Juarez, at the FEDERAL level, while state officials were often bought by the local players.

they fear them more than they did. It's an uneasy arrangement. Chapo Guzman said "the government does their thing and I do mine", a simple quote which explains it more than a whole essay.

the whole Camarena thing is not simple or linear either, and it's not just the CIA killed him.

I would go even further to say that U.S. involvement - both direct and indirect - has only aided in the "cartels" growth and sustainability.
Aside from the U.S. government's narco-trafficking and backing of right-wing juntas that treated the organized crime groups as pro-governmental militias from the 70s all the way to the present day - the massive corruption that is part and parcel of our "War on Drugs" keeps billions flowing both ways.

I agree with your analysis of their role in Mexico as well.

 

[StackBundles]

Watch the last narc on Amazon brehs

 

[Tommy Lee Jones]

just watch the first sicario movie it shows you how it works. governments work with cartels and allow them to do there thing as long as they listen to the CIA and government gets it cut. chapo got taken down and wasn't even the biggest dealer out.

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

What is the CIA’s end goal? because it certainly doesn’t look like national security if they’re killing DEA agents who are going after the drug cartels.

 

[re'up]

also not as simple as the CIA or Americans controlling things. Like a lot of situations in the world, it's a very complex and layered mix of geopolitics, trade/commerce, politics, corruption, money, organized crime, poverty, bi lateral relationships between countries. The corruption and drug trade goes back 100 years or more. LIke Yellowstone,with drugs, powerful clans and families in the mountains built their fortunes on it. Powerful politicians in DF and across the country made THEIR fortunes off the drug money and other forms of corruption.

You track those points, from their origin, and eventually you get to where there are 100,000 killings or more a year, widespread, open corruption, and warfare, mini armies funded by drug profits, international crime syndicates

Sicario is emotionally and visually compelling, but far from an inside look at how it goes down.