'I Am From India': Man Speaks Against Immigration At Australia Rally, Shoved Off Stage

[Soldier]

I don't think there needs to be limits in sparsely populated countries. They only serve to benefit those types of place. Means more population (less decline) more tax revenue (less need to raise taxes) and a more diversity of labor (not everyone is going to pick up the slack for every industry if you get rid of immigrant. American farmers are currently finding that out the hard way.

We live a country large enough to be home to 2 billion people easy without overcrowding and we currently only have half a billion. We have entire states considered fly over states because nothing is there. yet we are gatekeeping for no reason. at our own detriment.
I think 85% of australia is still pretty much wilderness. They have plenty of room to grow and industrialize more of the continent too.
Immigration doesn't need to be limited. Just guided to the right areas, places with the highest need.

Everybody wants to go to the same few cities who are poppin and live there. That’s the problem. Of course people rather live in desirable big cities on the coasts with jobs, modern infrastructure, city services, nightlife, universities etc than in sparsely populated flyover states far away from everything and everyone.

 

[Luke Cage]

Everybody wants to go to the same few cities who are poppin and live there. That’s the problem. Of course people rather live in desirable big cities on the coasts with jobs, modern infrastructure, city services, nightlife, universities etc than in sparsely populated flyover states far away from everything and everyone.

People should be incentivized to live in those areas , like we dowith alaska

 

[Starman]

I don't think there needs to be limits in sparsely populated countries. They only serve to benefit those types of place. Means more population (less decline) more tax revenue (less need to raise taxes) and a more diversity of labor (not everyone is going to pick up the slack for every industry if you get rid of immigrant. American farmers are currently finding that out the hard way.

We live a country large enough to be home to 2 billion people easy without overcrowding and we currently only have half a billion. We have entire states considered fly over states because nothing is there. yet we are gatekeeping for no reason. at our own detriment.
I think 85% of australia is still pretty much wilderness. They have plenty of room to grow and industrialize more of the continent too.
Immigration doesn't need to be limited. Just guided to the right areas, places with the highest need.

Countries have identities and people aren't interchangeable. Japan would not be Japan if it's shrinking population was suplemented by any other group of people. Hard pass on 1.5 billion more people in America.

 

[Luke Cage]

Countries have identities and people aren't interchangeable. Japan would not be Japan if it's shrinking population was suplemented by any other group of people. Hard pass on 1.5 billion more people in America.

What does this matter? what use is a national identify if you all die off? New idea's and new concepts encourage advancement, progression. Same ideas and no new concepts encourage stagnancy and regression. Your country isn't going to better off by trying to keep it white forever.
Japan literally an example of what not to do.

Henry Ford thought like you do. He was satisfied with the model T. resisted introducing new models for the longest time. sold more of that model than any other car in existence. until eventually he was passed by his competitors with newer tech. Went from being the number 1 car company in the world. to needing government subsidies to stay afloat.

 

[Uachet]

I don't think there needs to be limits in sparsely populated countries. They only serve to benefit those types of place. Means more population (less decline) more tax revenue (less need to raise taxes) and a more diversity of labor (not everyone is going to pick up the slack for every industry if you get rid of immigrant. American farmers are currently finding that out the hard way.

We live a country large enough to be home to 2 billion people easy without overcrowding and we currently only have half a billion. We have entire states considered fly over states because nothing is there. yet we are gatekeeping for no reason. at our own detriment.
I think 85% of australia is still pretty much wilderness. They have plenty of room to grow and industrialize more of the continent too.
Immigration doesn't need to be limited. Just guided to the right areas, places with the highest need.

If they open the floodgates to groups from countries known for deep-seated racism toward Black people, how do you think that will impact the economic and political prospects of Black people—particularly Black Americans—here?

To get a sense of the trajectory, I suggest examining the changes that have occurred in Southern California as a case study.

In California’s largest race bias cases, Latino workers are accused of abusing Black colleagues

In the last decade, the two largest race discrimination cases brought by the federal government in the Golden State alleged widespread abuse of hundreds of Black employees at Inland Empire warehouses.

www.latimes.com

 

[Starman]

what use is a national identify if you all die off?

Because to the Japanese, for instance, it's the same thing. There, boosting the population of the island nation with Indians or Nigerians or any other group does not save "Japan". When those other populations are high enough, "Japan" would be every bit as gone as if every ethnic Japanese person were Thanos snapped.

 

[Luke Cage]

If they open the floodgates to groups from countries known for deep-seated racism toward Black people, how do you think that will impact the economic and political prospects of Black people—particularly Black Americans—here?

To get a sense of the trajectory, I suggest examining the changes that have occurred in Southern California as a case study.

Don't let immigrants because they're all racist? Is that what you're saying?
Ruining the economy to avoid being called the n word by a guy loading boxes in a warehouse?
Nah, i would suggest simply putting laws in place to make it easier to report and punish those individuals and keep the immigrants coming

 

[Luke Cage]

Because to the Japanese, for instance, it's the same thing. There, boosting the population of the island nation with Indians or Nigerians or any other group does not save "Japan". When those other populations are high enough, "Japan" would be every bit as gone as if every ethnic Japanese person were Thanos snapped.

so your problem with immigrants is the great replacement theory?

Get over your xenophobia and you'll be fine. I've lived my whole life as a minority of the population. That bad part isn't all the people that outnumber people that look like me.
its only the people in power that discriminate against me. I don't need to have superior numbers, just equal respect. I literally live in the example of your greatest fear. Black American culture is still somehow the strongest in the world

 

[Uachet]

Don't let immigrants because they're all racist? Is that what you're saying?
Ruining the economy to avoid being called the n word by a guy loading boxes in a warehouse?
Nah, i would suggest simply putting laws in place to make it easier to report and punish those individuals and keep the immigrants coming

Oh, so instead of answering the question, you resort to constructing a strawman just to start an argument. That reveals a few things to me:

1. You couldn’t care less about how this has harmed Black Americans historically—even when I’ve presented actual congressional reports as evidence.
2. You either believe being called the n-word is the sole issue, or you’re deliberately narrowing the scope to that so you can argue against it. I clearly stated how this harms Black Americans economically and politically, yet you attempt to reduce it to mere name-calling. That’s gaslighting, plain and simple.
3. You suggest simply enforcing laws that already exist. That tells me you haven’t researched your position at all. If you had, you’d know those laws are already on the books—but they’re not being enforced, which is why the problems persist.

So I ask again: what informs your position on this issue, when you’ve demonstrated—quite effectively—that you don’t care about the harm to Black Americans and haven’t even cared enough to research your own stance?

 

[Luke Cage]

Oh, so instead of answering the question, you resort to constructing a strawman just to start an argument. That reveals a few things to me:

1. You couldn’t care less about how this has harmed Black Americans historically—even when I’ve presented actual congressional reports as evidence.
2. You either believe being called the n-word is the sole issue, or you’re deliberately narrowing the scope to that so you can argue against it. I clearly stated how this harms Black Americans economically and politically, yet you attempt to reduce it to mere name-calling. That’s gaslighting, plain and simple.
3. You suggest simply enforcing laws that already exist. That tells me you haven’t researched your position at all. If you had, you’d know those laws are already on the books—but they’re not being enforced, which is why the problems persist.

So I ask again: what informs your position on this issue, when you’ve demonstrated—quite effectively—that you don’t care about the harm to Black Americans and haven’t even cared enough to research your own stance?

the article you posted was detailing racism in warehouses. it gave a specific example of a worker complaining about being called the n word by a latino warehouse worker. So i addressed that specifically.

If you are trying to saying immigration has historically harmed the black community as whole. I disagree, because we would obvously be way worse off if we closed our borders. Moreover i think its fear mongering to assume all immigrants are rapists and racists. and discriminatory take in and of itself.

As with my prior post. I suggest that it would benefit us more to deal with racist incidents case by case, rather than bankrupting our country by disallowing immigrants

 

[Uachet]

the article you posted was detailing racism in warehouses. it gave a specific example of a worker complaining about being called the n word by a latino warehouse worker. So i address that specifically.

If you are trying to saying immigration has historically harmed the black community as whole. I disagree, because we would obvously be way worse off if we closed our borders. Moreover i think its fear mongering to assume all immigrants are rapists and racists. and discriminatory take in and of itself.

Yes—to demonstrate the racism present in the working environment. And I did more than that, didn’t I? Do you remember? I invited you to research further. I’ve repeatedly posted actual reports on this site showing how your preferred style of immigration in the U.S. economically harms Black Americans. There are also documented examples—right in Los Angeles—of how it has harmed Black Americans politically. That’s why I suggest you begin your research in Southern California, if you actually care about the issue.

Also, here you go again—erecting a strawman. Where did I ever mention rapists? I stated, quite factually, that many immigrants are coming from nations with deeply embedded anti-Black cultural elements. And yes, I assert that they bring those elements with them. This is evidenced by the singular example I linked in my first post.

Finally, I’ve noticed you consistently avoid my actual questions, choosing instead to construct strawmen to argue against. That reveals just how weak your position is—if you had a solid argument, you wouldn’t need to gaslight through evasion and overt misinterpretation of my statements.

 

[Luke Cage]

Yes—to demonstrate the racism present in the working environment. And I did more than that, didn’t I? Do you remember? I invited you to research further. I’ve repeatedly posted actual reports on this site showing how your preferred style of immigration in the U.S. economically harms Black Americans. There are also documented examples—right in Los Angeles—of how it has harmed Black Americans politically. That’s why I suggest you begin your research in Southern California, if you actually care about the issue.

Also, here you go again—erecting a strawman. Where did I ever mention rapists? I stated, quite factually, that many immigrants are coming from nations with deeply embedded anti-Black cultural elements. And yes, I assert that they bring those elements with them. This is evidenced by the singular example I linked in my first post.

Finally, I’ve noticed you consistently avoid my actual questions, choosing instead to construct strawmen to argue against. That reveals just how weak your position is—if you had a solid argument, you wouldn’t need to gaslight through evasion and overt misinterpretation of my statements.

Its clear you that you want to keep immgrants out because you think they are racist.
which is a racist take. No different than wanting to keep them because you think they are Rapist. Like Donald Trump
Which was also a racist take.
You have not presented any logical arguments. Just fear mongering. You are not trying to prove that we are better off economically without immigrants.
You are trying to prove that immigrants are bad and you are one of the good non whites . No different than the indian in the video,

@Starman keep in mind this is the type of person that agrees with you.

 

[CodeKansas]

Nah, that wasn't fair to the GOAT of me...

 

[Uachet]

Its clear you that you want to keep immgrants out because you think they are racist.
which is a racist take. No different than wanting to keep them because you think they are Rapist. Like Donald Trump
Which was also a racist take.
You have not presented any logical arguments. Just fear mongering. You are not trying to prove that we are better off economically without immigrants.
You are trying to prove that immigrants are bad and you are one of the good non whites . No different than the indian in the video,

@Starman keep in mind this is the type of person that agrees with you.

Yes, the full circle has been woven by you. Instead of answering my questions, you continue the same pattern—gaslighting the issue. Rather than supporting your position with substance, you prefer to dismiss my concerns outright, even though I’ve backed them with documented evidence multiple times in the past on this forum.

And this part is rich: you claim I haven’t made a logical argument, despite the fact that my position is informed and supported by researched documentation—evidence you can’t refute without resorting to gaslighting or outright ignoring it. You, sir, are a master of projection on this issue. It’s almost amusing. Makes me wonder if you even understand what the word “logic” means.

At this point, it’s clear you’re not to be taken seriously on this topic. If you had actually done the research and could effectively respond to the questions I’ve posed, you wouldn’t be so easily exposed for what you truly are. Even with the full power of the internet at your fingertips, you couldn’t manage that. So yes, you lack conviction—and any real insight into this issue. That’s a sorry state to be in.

 

[Luke Cage]

Yes, the full circle has been woven by you. Instead of answering my questions, you continue the same pattern—gaslighting the issue. Rather than supporting your position with substance, you prefer to dismiss my concerns outright, even though I’ve backed them with documented evidence multiple times in the past on this forum.

And this part is rich: you claim I haven’t made a logical argument, despite the fact that my position is informed and supported by researched documentation—evidence you can’t refute without resorting to gaslighting or outright ignoring it. You, sir, are a master of projection on this issue. It’s almost amusing. Makes me wonder if you even understand what the word “logic” means.

At this point, it’s clear you’re not to be taken seriously on this topic. If you had actually done the research and could effectively respond to the questions I’ve posed, you wouldn’t be so easily exposed for what you truly are. Even with the full power of the internet at your fingertips, you couldn’t manage that. So yes, you lack conviction—and any real insight into this issue. That’s a sorry state to be in.

You're racist af creh. You keep acting like i am not answering your question because you don't want to accept them. No point in pursue this debate further.
all you are doing is critizing the format of my response rather than addressing my points. Which i will point out that i presented first. and you responded to me not the other way around. So i only see this tactic as you trying to deflect rather than engaging. I said what i said, you disagreed. You don't then get to craft how what i am saying should be presented.
You are trying to argue the logic of racism.
But racism isn't logical. Because people aren't monolith.
Therefore you have no real points to pose.
Unless you can scientifically prove mexicans are racist genetically. you have nothing to offer,
Your own "research" fails to prove this point. So you instead try to manipulate the findings to support a false argument.
Putting you on ignore now, because you also don't know how to properly end a convo that is going nowhere and probably continue to reply to me until otherwise.