I Believe Hip-Hop's Current Problem Is...

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The proof is how many different artists sold millions of records.

Exactly. Looks at how many different artists of different genres had started seeing falling sales around the same time over the past 10 years. The fan bases are merging towards one another and it seems they all agree on the grounds that buying CDs aren't worth it.
 
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man as someone with his finger on the underground scene i just gotta say we do too much complaining about "the state of hip hop''
just let it get destroyed and rebuild it if its worth it.
there are plenty, and i mean plenty of doooooopppe MCs under the radar. Blu <<<<<<< 's all i gotta say.
 

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hip hop was meant to go underground,shake off thee ticks and parasites of perceived popularity,hip hop is a spiritual culture,rap is a fad that needs to decimated anyways,let them go bump their dance music,fall victim to the gay control,shyt on women,they're meant to perish in Harmageddon anyways,no room for funboys on thee mothership...:blessed::myman:
 

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If you're using commercial artists to judge you've already messed up. Hip hop is fine and there are a lot of great artists and great music but commercially it's not the same feel as in the 90's or whatever.
i had to chime in on this one. i explained this 100 times on sohh, and i've done it hear a few times. lets go over this.

hiphop = mainstream + underground.

hiphop in the early 80's was virtually 100% underground.
mid to late 80's, it was 60/40 underground and mainstream
the 90's hiphop was 70% mainstream/30% underground
2000's (early to 2010) hiphop was 90% mainstream/10% underground.

2010-beyond hiphop is 70% mainstream/30%underground.

the 90's was the golden era of hiphop. because virtually all of the mainstream, lets say 65% of it was HOT. that leaves 5% for one hit wonders and trash songs
20% of the underground stuff was Hot. some should've been in the mainstream but the mainstream was so strong there was no more room.

most of your favorite rappers of today are getting by off of a cool vibe(drake) for instance. he isnt horrible. but he surely isnt great in terms of all eras.

put drake in the 90's and he would be an underground artist you liked .

but imagine this. if he's the king of hiphop right now. that means everyone underneath him is less then underground level. do you not understand that kind of drop off?

now i know what you're going to say. but but the underground just dont get any play. of course it doesnt. cause its not that good. if it was. you and i would be buying it.

listen the underground was so good. nuccas could've bootlegged it. but they chose to pay for it. the underground was so good. dudes had chicks buying albums of groups/mcees they knew nothing about. chicks saying "i like that one song that goes..." on some undeground mcees album. lol

this era overall is subpar at best. face it. admit it. and get better. keep lying about it just being a mainstream issue. and it will never get better.

lastly, the southern trap sound that just wont die. i blame the south for that one. yall keep pushing these new rappers with the same stale sound, same hihats, same snares, claps, same 808s. i mean even the hits are in the same spots. and yall love it. cause as long as it sounds like a strip club hit. yall going to jump on it like a group of chicks. i'm talking about southern dudes. there was a time where the south mainstream had a lot of different sounds. now its all the same for the most part. and its yalls fault for buying it and downloading those songs. they counting legal and illegal downloads as a vote.
 

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i had to chime in on this one. i explained this 100 times on sohh, and i've done it hear a few times. lets go over this.

hiphop = mainstream + underground.

hiphop in the early 80's was virtually 100% underground.
mid to late 80's, it was 60/40 underground and mainstream
the 90's hiphop was 70% mainstream/30% underground
2000's (early to 2010) hiphop was 90% mainstream/10% underground.

2010-beyond hiphop is 70% mainstream/30%underground.

the 90's was the golden era of hiphop. because virtually all of the mainstream, lets say 65% of it was HOT. that leaves 5% for one hit wonders and trash songs
20% of the underground stuff was Hot. some should've been in the mainstream but the mainstream was so strong there was no more room.

most of your favorite rappers of today are getting by off of a cool vibe(drake) for instance. he isnt horrible. but he surely isnt great in terms of all eras.

put drake in the 90's and he would be an underground artist you liked .

but imagine this. if he's the king of hiphop right now. that means everyone underneath him is less then underground level. do you not understand that kind of drop off?

now i know what you're going to say. but but the underground just dont get any play. of course it doesnt. cause its not that good. if it was. you and i would be buying it.

listen the underground was so good. nuccas could've bootlegged it. but they chose to pay for it. the underground was so good. dudes had chicks buying albums of groups/mcees they knew nothing about. chicks saying "i like that one song that goes..." on some undeground mcees album. lol

this era overall is subpar at best. face it. admit it. and get better. keep lying about it just being a mainstream issue. and it will never get better.

lastly, the southern trap sound that just wont die. i blame the south for that one. yall keep pushing these new rappers with the same stale sound, same hihats, same snares, claps, same 808s. i mean even the hits are in the same spots. and yall love it. cause as long as it sounds like a strip club hit. yall going to jump on it like a group of chicks. i'm talking about southern dudes. there was a time where the south mainstream had a lot of different sounds. now its all the same for the most part. and its yalls fault for buying it and downloading those songs. they counting legal and illegal downloads as a vote.



breh i bought every Blu release some twice over and met up with people at his shows who have done the similar. but he's an underground MC with zero play and you really tryna tell me its becuz its not that good?
naw
its becuz you and other mainstream sheep are waiting for Miguel to sing on his hooks and give him a big single and finally go out and check for his music.
just cuz its underground dont mean its wack. some artists like Blu choose to stay under the radar.
oh and that whole percentage of what was underground and mainstream in certain decades dont make too much sense imo
 

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There was not varied commercial music in the 90s that's a myth. Not anymore varied than today.
stop the lies.

i had to pull this old list up from another site.

look at the honorable mentions.

listen if you ever wanna know how good the 90's were. especially early to mid90's. they were so good. jay-z was an after thought. no lie, no exaggeration. if prime jay-z was an after thought, how good could the music have been? i mean most of us slept on reasonable doubt. slept hard. i mean jigga was darn near an underground artist that some of his early fans were mad at the world for not feeling him like they were. thats how good the music was in the 90's.

thats like saying lebron james is an after thought because of some era he played in. imagine that for a moment. for LBJ to be an after thought. he would have to play in an era with prime jordan, prime magic, prime bird, prime hakeem, prime shaq, prime david robinson, prime wilt, prime jerry west, prime kobe, prime tmac(pre knees), prime vince(when he felt like going hard), prime I.thomas, prime kareem, prime oscar, etc.

thats how good the 90's hiphop scene was. it felt that good then. and even when you listen to an old school playlist. you just shake your head at how good it was and how versatile it was back then. its a shame that the new era has to deal with some much stale aka same same music.

but here's that list to prove a point

#10 Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik - Outkast

“Hootie Hoo” yall, the south is in the house! These southern rappers stepped onto the scene with this ode to all the plays, pimps & hustla’s. “Player’s Ball,” “Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik,” and the always applicable “Git Up, Git Out.” Broadcasting live from the capital of the south, ATL, they showed us that the sound was more than just bass music.




#9 - Soul Food – Goodie Mob

Goodie Mob may have Outkast to thank for getting them noticed. But it was their message & music that gained them respect. Goodie Mob (Good die mostly over bullshyt) released Soul Food as not just an ode to southern cooking, but as nutrition for our souls. One of the most socially and politically aware groups of the time, they got their message across without compromising their sound. As evident on hit singles “Thought Process,” “Dirty South,” and “Cell Therapy.”


#8 - Reasonable Doubt – Jay-Z

One of the most underrated hip hop albums ever, this album is like fine wine, gets better with time. I’ll admit, I wasn’t a big fan of jiggaman during this time. But when I went back and listened to it, I realized Jay-Z was right, Reasonable Doubt is a hip hop classic, “should’ve went triple!” Includes hit singles “Can’t Knock the Hustle,” “Brooklyn’s Finest” feat. Biggie, and “Dead Presidents.”

#7 - The Chronic – Dr. Dre

Dr. Dre first had showcased his talents for production with NWA. But after signing with Death Row Records, his musical genius blossomed. With Dre as the director, he featured multiple artists including Tha Dogg Pound, Lady of Rage & Snoop Dogg. The album was a mega-success, launching the west-coast to forefront. Includes hit singles “Nuthin but a G Thang,“ “Let Me Ride,” and “Dre Day.”
#6 - Midnight Marauders – A Tribe Called Quest

The third installment by Tribe, Midnight Marauders was released in 1993 and was a commercial success. Also known for it’s popular album cover including head shots of other rappers. The listener is guided thru the album by a female robotic voice who also gives good advice along the way. You won’t find bling bling/baller talk on this album, just hip hop at it’s purest and best. Be sure to check out the hit singles “Award Tour,” “Electric Relaxation,” and “Oh My God.”

#5 - Doggystyle – Snoop Dogg

Snoop Dogg first introduced himself to the world on Dr. Dre’s The Chronic. This talented, then 18 yrs. Old, rapper captured everybody’s attention with his distinctive flow. Backed by the Dogg Pound & Mentored by Dr. Dre, the album was a mega success, selling over 800,000 the first week, becoming the fastest selling hip hop album ever, for that time. Inspired by 70’s groups like Parliament & The Stylistics, the album began a new style of rap called G Funk. Includes hit singles “Gin & Juice,” “What’s my Name,” and “Murder Was the Case.”

#4 - Illmatic - Nas

The Queensbridge rapper emerged onto the hip hop scene with this instant classic, immediately being bestowed with the label of top rapper. Short, simple & sweet, the album is masterfully crafted. With smooth N.Y. beats, Nas’s lyrical prowess is on full display. With hit singles “N.Y. State of Mind,” ”It Ain’t Hard to Tell,” and “Life’s a bytch,” the album is strong from start to finish.
Enter the Wu-Tang
#3 - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) – Wu-Tang Clan

Maybe the best collection of MC’s in one group that we will ever see, Wu-Tang Clan burst onto the scene in 1993. This Samuri Sunday inspired album was unlike any other previous hip hop album, including samples from kung fu movies and old school albums infused with gritty hip hop. A definitive album for it’s time, it included the hit singles “Protect Ya Neck,” “Method Man,” and “C.R.E.A.M.”


#2 - Ready to Die – Notorious B.I.G.

Considered by many as one of the best hip hop albums of all time, Ready to Die served as the debut for both Notorious B.I.G. and Bad Boy Records. The hit single “Juicy” introduced us to the big boy from Brooklyn. No one may have been as lyrically gifted, or as good a story teller as Biggie was. The album was a success, followed up with hits “Big Poppa,” “One more Chance,” and “Who Shot Ya,” thrusting Biggie to the forefront of hip hop.


#1 - All Eyez On Me – 2Pac

The last, and arguably greatest, studio album released by 2Pac. It was the first album upon being bonded out of jail by Suge Knight. Freshly signed to Death Row, 2Pac had a lot to say, releasing one of the first double disc hip hop albums. Less political this time, “All Eyez on Me” was a celebration of the Thug Lifestyle. Includes the hit singles “California Love,” “Ambitionz Az a Ridah,” and “How Do You Want It.”


90's Hip Hop Albums - Honorable Mentioned:

Only Built for Cuban Links – Raekwon, The Score – The Fugees, 400 Degrees – Juvinile, Ironman – Ghostface Killah, The Predator - Ice Cube, It’s Dark & Hell is Hot – DMX, www.Thug.com – Trick Daddy, The Diary – Scarface, Piece of Mind – Tela, E. 1999 Eternal – Bone Thugz-N-Harmony, Ghetto D – Master P, No More Glory - MJG
 

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This isn't proof.

Music is not consumed by listening purchasing albums today.

There are many different artist that are being consumed today. Many more than the 90s. with many more styles.
no but this is proof. and check the list above. and below

straight from billboard 96 charts.

Rap Songs - 1996 Archive
ISSUE DATESONGARTIST
January 06Hey LoverLL Cool J
January 13
January 20Tonite's Tha NightKris Kross
January 27
February 03
February 10
February 17
February 24Get MoneyJunior M.A.F.I.A. Featuring The Notorious B.I.G.
March 02
March 09
March 16Woo-Hah!! Got You All In Check/Everything Remains RawBusta Rhymes
March 23
March 30
April 06
April 13
April 20
April 27
May 045 O'ClockNonchalant
May 11Tha CrossroadsBone Thugs-N-Harmony
May 18
May 25
June 01
June 08
June 15
June 22How Do U Want It/California Love2Pac Featuring K-Ci And JoJo
June 29
July 06
July 13
July 20
July 27
August 03Elevators (Me & You)OutKast
August 10
August 17
August 24
August 31LounginLL Cool J
September 07
September 14
September 21
September 28How Do U Want It/California Love2Pac Featuring K-Ci And JoJo
October 05
October 12Bow DownWestside Connection
October 19
October 26Po PimpDo Or Die (Featuring Twista)

November 09Street DreamsNas
November 16No TimeLil' Kim Featuring Puff Daddy

^^those songs dont sound the same at all


Now i'll show you true versatility from the 90's

Rap Songs - 1992 Archive
ISSUE DATESONGARTIST
January 04Just The Two Of UsChubb Rock
January 11
January 18The Phuncky Feel One/How I Could. . .Cypress Hill
January 25
February 01
February 08
February 15
February 22The Choice Is YoursBlack Sheep
February 29
March 07Poor GeorgieMC Lyte
March 14Oochie CoochieM.C. Brains
March 21
March 28Shut 'Em DownPublic Enemy
April 04The JamShabba Ranks Featuring KRS-1
April 11The Int'l Zone CoasterLeaders Of The New School
April 18JumpKris Kross
April 25
May 02
May 09
May 16
May 23TennesseeArrested Development
May 30They Want EFXDas EFX
June 06
June 13
June 20Sometimes I Rhyme SlowNice & Smooth
June 27They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
July 04
July 11
July 18Take It PersonalGang Starr
July 25Warm It UpKris Kross
August 01
August 08
August 15Don't Sweat The TechniqueEric B. & Rakim
August 22Fakin' The FunkMain Source
August 29CrossoverEPMD
September 05
September 12
September 19People EverydayArrested Development
September 26
October 03
October 10Mic CheckaDas EFX
October 17360 Degrees (What Goes Around)Grand Puba
October 24Here It Comes/Back To The GrillMC Serch
October 31Ever So ClearBushwick Bill
November 07Blow Your MindRedman
November 14Lost In The StormChubb Rock
November 21
November 28Rump ShakerWreckx-N-Effect
December 05
December 12
December 19Not Gonna Be Able To Do ItDouble XX
December 26FlexMad Cobra
i mean i cant believe they ever played a grand puba song on the radio. but they did. and it was considered a mainstream song to boot. i mean arrested development, rump shaker then you come back with redman , then bushwick bill. crazy.
 

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i dare anyone to look up each one of those songs. you know what. just pull 5 of them from the list. and tell me they all sound the same or remotely the same. they wont. especially from that 92 list at the bottom.

i'll make it easy on you.

some of the songs i just posted from the 92 billboard charts.


click the link and listen to these few songs. and imagine most of those artist are east coast artist. and they still dont sound the same. artists nowadays can be from all over the place. but yet all same very similar.
 
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This isn't proof.

Music is not consumed by listening purchasing albums today.

There are many different artist that are being consumed today. Many more than the 90s. with many more styles.
There is more but that doesn't necessarily equates to better. Honestly, the music game is over-saturated with mediocre and talentless people. Art is art but we're speaking about things at the largest scale.
 

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and



are the proof of the depreciation in songwriting capabilities. I never knew how to trap but I learned in 3 minutes and 25 seconds. :mindblown:

Trapping so easy even a caveman can do it. :russ:
 
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