I did some extensive research in 2011 LeBron averaged 17/7/6/1 with a Triple Single Game before Draymond :mjlol:

[bigde09]

 

[In The Zone '98]

allegations

 

[Red Money]

Did some research myself.

Did you know in 2000
06/14 - Game 5 of the series versus Indiana
Kobe Bryant put up a triple single of 8pts 5rebounds 3 assists and played 36minutes.

So we gonna act like Jalen Rose ain't purposely step under Kobe in game 2? Kobe didn't have crutches and miss game 3? Kobe didn't gut out game 4 and was clutch in OT as shaq fouled out?


What kinda research is being done here?

 

[Ozymandeas]

Jameer Nelson!!!

Turkgolu was just as good of a shooter as Ray Allen

LeBron Stans will tell you with a straight face they couldn't get past Orlando like these games were blowouts

These games were very winnable. The playoffs slowed these games down, pressure mounted, and coaches schemed on his weaknesses. Two of these losses were by 1 point and by 2 points. If buddy hit his free throws and had any semblance of a mid-range jumper, he gets to the Finals

Orlando Magic 107, Cleveland Cavaliers 106 (LeBron missed 4 free throws here )

Orlando Magic 95, Cleveland Cavaliers 96

Cleveland Cavaliers 89, Orlando Magic 99 (LeBron shot 39% here and I bet if I check the tape, it's because they clogged the paint)

Cleveland Cavaliers 114, Orlando Magic 116 (OT) (LeBron missed 4 free throws here )

Orlando Magic 102, Cleveland Cavaliers 112

Cleveland Cavaliers 90, Orlando Magic 103

 

[David_TheMan]

So we gonna act like Jalen Rose ain't purposely step under Kobe in game 2? Kobe didn't have crutches and miss game 3? Kobe didn't gut out game 4 and was clutch in OT as shaq fouled out?


What kinda research is being done here?

So you are going to claim with 6 minutes left in the game Kobe was going to magically do more than he did the 36 minuetes he was in the game and only put up 8 pts. LOL

 

[Ozymandeas]

They won 60 games because of one Lebron James. When he dipped, they won 19 games. It's not like they were winning 56 games and playoff series without him like a certain GOAT
Bron averaged 39/8/8 against the Magic but the offense stalled?

So then they should've won 16 games in the Playoffs, goofy.

Why did the strategy work in the regular season but not in the playoffs

Oh, wait, maybe because no coach is going to let some guy go dunk 8 times a game

As I posted, some of these games were decided by one basket. If Bron could hit a mid-range, maybe yall would've won

 

[Ozymandeas]

Lebron's "terrible from the midrange" and is still a completely different galaxy of playoff scorer than Kobe

I know Kobe cultists are a slow bunch but there's not a SINGLE data-driven/statistical argument you can make for Kobe as a scorer in the playoffs

With your logic, Shaq had no deficiencies in his game because he averaged 31 points and 10 rebounds on 60 percent.

You don't understand anything. Your surface-level arguments only impresses other dummies.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Did some research myself.

Did you know in 2000
06/14 - Game 5 of the series versus Indiana
Kobe Bryant put up a triple single of 8pts 5rebounds 3 assists and played 36minutes.

Triple single

 

[Mister Terrific]

 

[Mister Terrific]

Yall still arguing semantics over 6-0 and 5-2 niqqas vs. a 4-6 niqqa.

4-6 with 4 alpha rings or 5-2 with 3 sidekick rings

What happened when Kobe became the alpha for the Lakers?

They fukking lost



Dude said Kobe “sacrificed”

 

[Osmosis]

Stats stats stats…are meaningless if you have a losing record. Can’t play for stats and have a winning record, as we can see. Make a choice, all the greats have sacrificed their stats for the betterment of the team. That’s the reason why Bron has a losing record in the finals. He needed to have his stats AND win the Finals MVP, even at the detriment of his team’s success.



One reason why I put Bean over Bron, Bean sacrificed and ran an offense that won 6 rings prior to him. Helped his team 3 peat by taming his game for the betterment for the goal, the championship, not Finals MVP. When he tried to force it, it cost his team to lose in 04 (he admitted on camera) took responsibility and didn’t blame anyone. So the next time around, he did the right thing and ran the offense and went to 3 straight finals and won back to back. Still sacrificed his game. Bron really didn’t sacrifice like he could’ve. Bean could’ve easily put up way better numbers than he did, but he listened to his coach, another thing Lebron had issues with, he never respect his coaches or leaders, when he had to fall in line,he left Miam over cookies. It’s his way or the highway and that’s why he’s 4-6, could’ve easily been 7-3 maybe with out all the FMVPs, but that was his choice. Reminds me of Shaq’s attitude that cost LA some rings.

This post is exactly why Kobe isn’t in the GOAT debate, and why his fans are stuck on a hopeless crusade to convince people he’s on Bron’s level. Your whole post has zero data, zero historical context, and not even an eye test— just vague bs intangibles about how you think a player approached the game. It's all mentality and other psychobabble for Kobe fans. That and a role-player 15 PPG 36 FG% ring is all they have to justify ranking him ahead of Bron.

With your logic, Shaq had no deficiencies in his game because he averaged 31 points and 10 rebounds on 60 percent.

You don't understand anything. Your surface-level arguments only impresses other dummies.

You keep referencing Shaq like he has anything to do with a Kobe vs. Lebron comparison. Shaq had his flaws but at his peak he was one of the most dominant forces in league history and was able to mask his weaknesses by being the most effective paint scorer ever. Kobe and Lebron both have their own distinct weaknesses (there are no perfect players in NBA history) but Lebron was better equipped to overcome his.

Secondly, every metric worth a damn has Lebron in a different category of playoff scorer than Kobe. He's a more efficient scorer, he's a more resilient scorer against tough playoff defenses, he's a better volume scorer (double the amount of playoff 40 point games than Kobe).. You can adjust for difficulty, you can adjust for pace, you can only compare peaks: it doesn't matter, Lebron is ahead every time. And you keep saying some dumb shyt about Lebron not being able to close tight playoff games like Lebron isn't statistically the better 4th quarter, crunch time, and elimination game scorer too

On top of all of that, Lebron is significantly better as a playmaker so the offensive value isn't even comparable.

You're out of your element and even worse you're an arrogant fool

 

[fifth column]

4-6 with 4 alpha rings or 5-2 with 3 sidekick rings

What happened when Kobe became the alpha for the Lakers?

They fukking lost



Dude said Kobe “sacrificed”

4 alpha rings
2012 was a shortened lockout season
2013 Ray Allen saved them
2020 Mickey Mouse ring

That leaves 2016 where Kyrie hit the shot in game 7 but I’ll give it to Bron as alpha

Still can’t leave out the 6 beta loses

 

[Don Homer]

at the video title

 

[Mister Terrific]

4 alpha rings
2012 was a shortened lockout season
2013 Ray Allen saved them
2020 Mickey Mouse ring

Even getting carried by Shaq, Kobe needed the refs to save him





2010 getting carried by Gasol and needed the refs again

 

[bigde09]

Even getting carried by Shaq, Kobe needed the refs to save him





2010 getting carried by Gasol and needed the refs again