I don't get the Andrew Wiggins hype...

[Swagnificent]

So Kobe wasn't good enough to start at 18 on the team he was on?

No. He was good enough. The coaches just wanted to bring him along slowly. Remember he was the first non-big man to make the jump to the NBA. No one knew what your supposed to do with someone that young. Plus the Lakers were really good so they could afford to bring him slowly.

Remember in his second year he started the all-star game while he was coming off the bench for his own team. And it wasn't like he wasn't good enough to start for the Lakers. Before the all-star game he was the leading bench scorer in the NBA scoring something like 17ppg in 26 minutes. He was being promoted against Michael Jordan whenever they played the Bulls and during the all-star game. Don't get it twisted. Kobe at 18-19 was good enough to be a SUPERSTAR. He just didn't get the chance cause the Lakers decided the bring him up slowly.

He wasn't even supposed to start his 3rd season in 1999. The Lakers were going to start Rick Fox alongside Eddie Jones, but then Rick Fox got injured at the start of the season and Kobe never looked back. He was so good that the Lakers ended up trading Eddie Jones (an all-star at the time). They also ended up trading Nick Van Exel (another all-star) to give Kobe the ball more.

If Kobe came out in 03 with LeBron and was on some bad team like the Cavs, he would've been a starter day 1 and would've been scoring 20-25ppg. His game was NBA ready. His body just wasn't what it grew to be. That is why I say his fundamentals and skills were always there. Its just that he didn't have the NBA ready body that LeBron had. That is the only real difference between the two. And the fact LeBron came after Kobe. After the success that Kobe/T-Mac/KG had, more teams were willing to take risks on high school player. If those guys didn't pan out, guys like LeBron would've had a difference experience.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Y'all are hyping up Karl Towns & Jahlil but really sleeping on Cliff Alexander. He's a beast in the paint.

I want Cliff so bad

 

[Art Barr]

So none of Randle,Parker,Smart has to do well in college just Wiggins ? smh

those players will probably do well because they picked a better destination known for creating high quality draft picks.
yet,...
kansas since getting rid of that soft scourge of a coach who used the legacy of unc to ramp up.
has shown they know what to do to produce champions and high quality players that execute.
even if they have a low ceiling talent level wise.
so, i look to wiggins to be able to be the top guy.
if he is not the top guy,..
it will hurt him, a lot.
especially considering he is a technically a euro coming from canada.
yet, real talk...
he does not play like no fukking euro or a foreign player unfamiliar with us bball.

so hopefully he could turn out.
shyt,.....anything could happen,...
just like with pj iii and them hiding his knee injury for two years at baylor.


art barr

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Andrew Wiggins is the new guy who Kobe stans are trying to hype up now that they realize The King has arrived.

 

[Flight]

I want Cliff so bad

Y'all are getting Lyles & Towns..Cliff is coming here or UI.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Y'all are getting Lyles & Towns..Cliff is coming here or UI.

Cliff would play C w/towns at PF. Towns has been in his ear

 

[Flight]

Cliff would play C w/towns at PF. Towns has been in his ear

It doesn't matter right now dawg..Check 24/7 & the UK insiders. They know what was being said at Peach Jam.

 

[Miggs]

those players will probably do well because they picked a better destination known for creating high quality draft picks.
yet,...
kansas since getting rid of that soft scourge of a coach who used the legacy of unc to ramp up.
has shown they know what to do to produce champions and high quality players that execute.
even if they have a low ceiling talent level wise.
so, i look to wiggins to be able to be the top guy.
if he is not the top guy,..
it will hurt him, a lot.
especially considering he is a technically a euro coming from canada.
yet, real talk...
he does not play like no fukking euro or a foreign player unfamiliar with us bball.

so hopefully he could turn out.
shyt,.....anything could happen,...
just like with pj iii and them hiding his knee injury for two years at baylor.


art barr

His mother is west indian and his father is American and somehow that equates to him being euro ?

 

[Art Barr]

His mother is west indian and his father is American and somehow that equates to him being euro ?

i am saying euro as in the buzzword used to give a negative stigma, to players who are not from the us.
it is the same as calling them soft...

geez,...catch up, b!

art barr

 

[IGSaint12]

Andrew Wiggins is the new guy who Kobe stans are trying to hype up now that they realize The King has arrived.

This doesn't even make sense.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This doesn't even make sense.

I guess not if English isn't your first language.

 

[Ohene]

are any of these players even close to the physical specimen andrew wiggins is right now...even in their primes?
let alone his skill level for an 18 year old
the only feasible way wiggins is a bust is if his knees turn to dust

Michael Beasley...what were you saying?

 

[Ohene]

This is the other All-American going to Kansas, if he has a good season he'll be a top 5 pick if you just look at how teams are valuing the 6'4" combo guard (Waiters, Smart, Oladipo etc). Everyone wants the next Westbrook.



Elite handle, 210-220lbs and 6'5"

Whats his quickness like? Enough to match his aggressiveness?

 

[Ohene]

I have no vested interest. Take your weird, tired shtick somewhere else.

You don't want it with me.

The kid looks good. I'm not sure he has the same development arc as Seventh... but Wiggins is the most well-rounded player in this class right now.


I guess I just don't know what the bar is for this conversation, is this one of those "if he ain't as nice as bron he ain't shyt" conversations?


Yes. You are very very wrong. Nobody on that list has been hyped anywhere near Wiggins, who has been the consensus no.1 player and pick for over two years now. He's a 6'8" wing who can handle, shoot and finish above everyone.

I get the reactionary "let's wait and see" - because OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO SEE HOW HE TURNS OUT - but let's not use that as a crutch, so that in 2 years you can up a thread and be like "see I said this high schooler wasn't shyt!"

It's all projection at this age.

And, Samardo Samuels?

Michael Beasley and OJ Mayo were hyped up to the same level. Greg Oden too Bill Walker maybe not as much and John Wall possibly more.
But this aint a competition to see who's hyped the most...the fact remains that there are always overhyped ass nikkas out of school. I think Wiggins will transcend all of them...theres no reason he cant be a top 5 player just like Durant did.

 

[Ohene]

so lebron dominated the league his rookie season breh. you don't think that wiggins could average 20 and 5(lebron rookie numbers) playing for the weakest team in the L right now. Now has become one of the best players in the league but wiggins has been hyped just like him.

And for yall comparing his hype to these other players who tanked for any of these guys
Michael Beasley
OJ Mayo
Josh Selby
Bill Walker
Greg Oden (not saying the potential wasnt there)
Austin Rivers
Brandon Knight
Shabazz Mohammed
John Wall

Thats the whole point. Nobody tanked for them because they went to college and exposed that they wasn't shyt. Michael Beasley and John Wall were def tanked for though...stop changing history