i grew up listening to college dropout

[MartyMcFly]

I'm 'in at how he's trying to discredit CD and moving goalposts by saying it didn't innovate soul sampling.

 

[NoHalfWay]

He's right in the overall sense that it didn't introduce it. Now if you want to say it made it popular again on a mainstream level, that's fair and true but the shyt didn't go away. The beats he made for that and for blueprint were for Ghost due to the soul sampling on Supreme Clientele which was in 2000 so dude didn't innovate; he just made the mainstream take notice

It wasn't better than any of the other records that came before it that used soulful production so why should I reward it?

CD wasn't no Blueprint, Supreme Clientele, Come Home With Me or etc

 

[MartyMcFly]

It wasn't better than any of the other records that came before it that used soulful production so why should I reward it?

CD wasn't no Blueprint, Supreme Clientele, Come Home With Me or etc

I feel like you can reward the album even if its not better. If Nas or Jay or Cube had to constantly top albums in their library in order for those albums to get props, they'd never get them. Just because Stillmatic isn't as dope as illmatic doesn't mean it's not good

 

[Non Sequitur]

I have Dark Fantasy, Yeezus, LR, and Graduation ahead of it.

 

[NoHalfWay]

I feel like you can reward the album even if its not better. If Nas or Jay or Cube had to constantly top albums in their library in order for those albums to get props, they'd never get them. Just because Stillmatic isn't as dope as illmatic doesn't mean it's not good

That's why I'm saying CD is dope but not a classic

 

[MartyMcFly]

Yeah but Stillmatic is different from Illmatic and h
That's why I'm saying CD is a dope record but it ain't a classic.

Oh ok I feel that.

 

[NoHalfWay]

Even tho Stillmatic is a classic

But that's a different story

 

[MartyMcFly]

Well here's the thing though: If we asked enough people I feel like they'd say College Dropout is a classic so does that make it a classic?

 

[NoHalfWay]

Well here's the thing though: If we asked enough people I feel like they'd say College Dropout is a classic so does that make it a classic?

It does have classic Ye records and it introduced him as a solo artist but when you look at the rest of his catalog that record ain't as impressive as his future shyt.

Late Registration was when Kanye was really considered THE MAN. The musician I guess.

I feel more comfortable with nikkas calling that album classic than CD. Hell, even Graduation too.

I ain't trying to let these nikkas run around and say Kanye got 5 classics.

 

[CELL]

You Coli snobs man

College Dropout and Late Registration are BOTH classics.

 

[the cac mamba]

the skits alone make it a classic

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the skits prevented it from being a classic

 

[ISO]

Ye came out as a smart dumb nikka with the things he was saying on this album, he's never been a great lyricist and I found all the soul and orchestras to be too much. I really can't listen to this entire album.

I have MBDTF as his best work, with Graduation and LR following.

Not saying it's not a classic, just not my cup of tea and somewhat overrated.

 

[MartyMcFly]

You Coli snobs man

College Dropout and Late Registration are BOTH classics.

But I think that's my question..not just for this album but this is something I been thinking about lately...for the longest time, most of us and by most I mean anyone born in the 70s, 80s or early 90s, had the Source as our Bible when it came to hip hop and that determined what was classic and what wasn't...it just so happened that a lot of the culture felt the same way with a lot of those albums so even if there was some disagreement here and there, most of the 5 mic albums are thought of as classics of the genre. Without the Source and with the media and genre being so splintered and diverse, is a record a classic now just because most of the people say so? I see threads on here with dudes claiming classics for albums I wouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole attached to a 10 ft pole and then albums called classic after being out for only a couple months. So who or what determines what is classic now?

 

[CELL]

But I think that's my question..not just for this album but this is something I been thinking about lately...for the longest time, most of us and by most I mean anyone born in the 70s, 80s or early 90s, had the Source as our Bible when it came to hip hop and that determined what was classic and what wasn't...it just so happened that a lot of the culture felt the same way with a lot of those albums so even if there was some disagreement here and there, most of the 5 mic albums are thought of as classics of the genre. Without the Source and with the media and genre being so splintered and diverse, is a record a classic now just because most of the people say so? I see threads on here with dudes claiming classics for albums I wouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole attached to a 10 ft pole and then albums called classic after being out for only a couple months. So who or what determines what is classic now?

It's still very much magazines but also more now the people that dictate these albums as classics. The internet has just amplified the means to gain a wider range of opinions but it wont muddle the water. Some guys in here just get gassed. I mean obviously it needs the critical acclaim first and foremost but if the majority agrees that it's a classic... well it's a classic. Nothing really that difficult! Something like Yeezus was critically acclaimed but not a classic because of the fact that the people didn't deem it that way. I mean all these 'Ye nerds can say what they like but it just wasn't, the majority on this board will agree with this consensus.

Something like Below The Heavens was critically acclaimed and the majority agreed. It's still a classic.

 

[NoHalfWay]

I think it has to be influential.

I know rappers hopped on CD instrumentals and did their little remixes but I don't recall anyone saying that album was SO influential or in the upper echelon of rap.

I could be wrong tho