I hate Socialism, but...

[dondraper]

It appears that with automation it will be the only viable economic system. Wages have stagnated and the rate of underemployment continues to grow and we have supposedly recovered from the great recession. When the next recession hits, and it will be soon, it will only speed up the process of downsizing and automation. Automation may allow us to have an entrepreneurial economy where robotics allows us all to have our own mini factories at home, but even then we'll need a safety net because most business fail. Universal basic income is the only thing that will save civilization, but it's most likely going to take bloodshed to get the wealthy elite to share their wealth.

 

[FAH1223]

UBI is a good stop gap but I'm not sure it can last

 

[Maschine_Man]

So is "automation" gonna be the new fear tactic in 2017?






















Yes automation is real, but I think ppl thinking automation will be taking over every job are so far out of touch.

 

[rapbeats]

So is "automation" gonna be the new fear tactic in 2017?

Yes automation is real, but I think ppl thinking automation will be taking over every job are so far out of touch.

Let's do this. You name a job or two. and lets see if automation is on its way or already here.

Go....

 

[Maschine_Man]

Let's do this. You name a job or two. and lets see if automation is on its way or already here.

Go....

10 Jobs that Won’t Be Taken By Robots…Yet

The good news is that there are plenty of emerging or growing industries—like those listed below—that will require a human touch for a long time to come.

1. Wind and solar power
These industries will provide jobs for plumbers, electricians, and construction people, particularly whenever a new power plant or wind farm has to be built. Now sure, parts—like solar panels—are likely to be made by automation. "But they're hard to install by robot," says Tana Kantor, Publisher of The Green Economy, a magazine that covers eco-conscious companies and business practices. "Each installation is different, and there is no way to automate or mechanize the process." She adds, however, that while there will be plenty of work to be done in the development phase, not many people will be needed to maintain plants.

2. Help desks
There is a trend to move help desks—for banks, software companies, and online stores, for instance—back into the U.S., especially in the southeast, where jobs are scarce, according to Kantor. "Increasingly, help desks are 'on-shoring,'" she says, pointing out that Microsoft now has help centers all over the U.S, in places like North Dakota, Florida, and California. Why the move back? Thanks to the bad economy, hiring U.S. workers is less expensive than it used to be. What's more, as Kantor notes, language and cultural barriers can make certain customers uncomfortable or impatient; many companies are betting that putting customers more at ease will be good for business. Could a help desk version of Siri be created? Sure, but it’s not likely going to be sophisticated enough to handle all the issues that could come up. When software and hardware need a Sherlock instead of a Siri, a problem-solving human is better than a bot.

3. Managing automation
Ironically, even robots needs managers. "Although there's increasing automation in manufacturing plants in the US, there is a huge—and growing—need for workers who can manage the automation," says Kantor. "The industry requires people who understand welding, for example, and can also calibrate, maintain, and run the computers that might be doing the welding."

4. Primary and secondary education
Since there's no "profit motive that drives efficiency" when it comes to teaching at the primary and secondary levels, these kinds of jobs aren't likely to be automated any time soon, as Ford notes. But college-level teaching? That might be endangered. "I think higher education will go increasingly online," says Ford; he notes that six recent experiments found that college students enrolled in courses with machine-guided tutoring software performed just as well as their counterparts in traditional classes. "A few high-profile teachers will lecture huge numbers of students, and there are new software applications that can automate grading," he says.

5. Environmental think tanks
As the environmental problems brought on by global warming increase—and energy costs rise—more and more people will be needed to study and enact means by which businesses can reduce their carbon footprints. As Kantor points out, we'll need workers who can measure carbon use, devise strategies to lower it, and guide implementation of those plans. "Lots of people up and down the supply chain will be needed to make such initiatives work—to decide what data to collect and how to collect it, to analyze it, and to figure out which changes to make," she says.

6. Most health care
If you're a doctor, nurse, or physical therapist—working in a healthcare job that requires a lot of direct interaction with patients—there's probably no need to be looking over your shoulder for a machine version of yourself, says Ford. All the same, he cautions, "there are certainly a lot of areas where automation is developing—like hospital delivery and pharmacy robots. The Japanese are even working on automating some nursing and elder-care functions." In fact, he adds, systems like IBM's Watson may even start making diagnoses some day. And radiology jobs—already off-shored to India much of the time, where doctors read scans at much lower cost—are also likely to be largely automated eventually.



7. Human care
Robots won't advance that quickly in industries where a human touch is preferable, even if it isn't entirely necessary, as Subramani points out; in situations where interacting with a machine might be upsetting instead of soothing, humans won't be pushed out. "For instance, I find it hard to believe that we will have funeral home employees replaced by robots, even though robots may be more efficient," Subramani says. "I think industries like daycare are reasonably immune for the same reasons."

8. Media
Though content-stripping bots can already cut and assemble simple news stories, and “content farms” are spreading like pop-up stores, writers, editor, and designers are likely to be needed well into the future to help keep the Internet running. "Yes, there are very good 'off-the-shelf' programs like WordPress to 'automate' how a website gets published," Kantor notes. "But we need lots of real people to input data, design pages, and write and edit material so that people actually want to read it." Television channels and magazines will also continue to need to employ people for similar reasons—not just to report on stories, but to design graphics, manage editorial and production teams, and so on.

9. Lawyers, financial analysts and other creative knowledge workers
Creative knowledge workers—those who have to think creatively for a living—aren't going to be phased any time soon, either. Take lawyers, for instance. "Much of the core work involves value judgment: what is good, what is bad what is desirable or not," says Subramani, who points to the opinions judges write as an example. "It's more than just logical reasoning based on evidence." Other creative knowledge workers include architects and financial analysts. But those doing non-creative knowledge work, like paralegals who search for and gather data won’t fare so well. “Doing anything that involves consistently executing a rote task—is likely to be where robots are likely to excel," Subramini adds.

10. Politics
Predictions about our robot overlords aside, we will probably never have a robot in the White House. "I think a lot of government jobs may someday be threatened, but probably not those of politicians," says Ford. A robotic president would require human-like artificial intelligence of a kind that experts may never be able to develop, he points out. And even if they could, the people who kiss babies, give speeches, and make laws for a living will probably retain their gigs.

"The best answer for why we won't have robotic politicians is that the politicians would never allow it," says Ford. "Among workers, politicians really have a unique level of power when it comes to protecting their own interests." However, their support staff—government-paid analysts, auditors, and accountants—won't necessarily be as safe since much of all of the work they do could be automated some day.

 

[Maschine_Man]

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

This is why people need to pick their careers wisely. If you're in a repetitive skill position with little expertise needed, always keep one foot out the door.

I know people with jobs like that and worked at companies for over 10 years and simply get comfortable. They think because they've been there 10+ years, their job is safe.

But if someone gets hired to do your job with little to no experience and half your age, its time to re-evaluate your status with the company.

 

[Maschine_Man]

This is why people need to pick their careers wisely. If you're in a repetitive skill position with little expertise needed, always keep one foot out the door.

I know people with jobs like that and worked at companies for over 10 years and simply get comfortable. They think because they've been there 10+ years, their job is safe.

But if someone gets hired to do your job with little to no experience and half your age, its time to re-evaluate your status with the company.

this is the argument that we should be having.

IMO one of the biggest problems in HS that kids are having is that there isn't any real "guidance" to help kids make good choices for their futures.

they should be investing in to research in to projecting future jobs and helping the students find a path that best suits them.

not just blindly getting kids into college/university with no real direction.



The Government/Education system (as well as other depts) need to start looking at the economy and finding out what sectors/careers require ppl in 5/10/20+ years the giving that information to the kids to allow them to strive towards that.

 

[Tate]

10 Jobs that Won’t Be Taken By Robots…Yet

The good news is that there are plenty of emerging or growing industries—like those listed below—that will require a human touch for a long time to come.

1. Wind and solar power
These industries will provide jobs for plumbers, electricians, and construction people, particularly whenever a new power plant or wind farm has to be built. Now sure, parts—like solar panels—are likely to be made by automation. "But they're hard to install by robot," says Tana Kantor, Publisher of The Green Economy, a magazine that covers eco-conscious companies and business practices. "Each installation is different, and there is no way to automate or mechanize the process." She adds, however, that while there will be plenty of work to be done in the development phase, not many people will be needed to maintain plants.

2. Help desks
There is a trend to move help desks—for banks, software companies, and online stores, for instance—back into the U.S., especially in the southeast, where jobs are scarce, according to Kantor. "Increasingly, help desks are 'on-shoring,'" she says, pointing out that Microsoft now has help centers all over the U.S, in places like North Dakota, Florida, and California. Why the move back? Thanks to the bad economy, hiring U.S. workers is less expensive than it used to be. What's more, as Kantor notes, language and cultural barriers can make certain customers uncomfortable or impatient; many companies are betting that putting customers more at ease will be good for business. Could a help desk version of Siri be created? Sure, but it’s not likely going to be sophisticated enough to handle all the issues that could come up. When software and hardware need a Sherlock instead of a Siri, a problem-solving human is better than a bot.

3. Managing automation
Ironically, even robots needs managers. "Although there's increasing automation in manufacturing plants in the US, there is a huge—and growing—need for workers who can manage the automation," says Kantor. "The industry requires people who understand welding, for example, and can also calibrate, maintain, and run the computers that might be doing the welding."

4. Primary and secondary education
Since there's no "profit motive that drives efficiency" when it comes to teaching at the primary and secondary levels, these kinds of jobs aren't likely to be automated any time soon, as Ford notes. But college-level teaching? That might be endangered. "I think higher education will go increasingly online," says Ford; he notes that six recent experiments found that college students enrolled in courses with machine-guided tutoring software performed just as well as their counterparts in traditional classes. "A few high-profile teachers will lecture huge numbers of students, and there are new software applications that can automate grading," he says.

5. Environmental think tanks
As the environmental problems brought on by global warming increase—and energy costs rise—more and more people will be needed to study and enact means by which businesses can reduce their carbon footprints. As Kantor points out, we'll need workers who can measure carbon use, devise strategies to lower it, and guide implementation of those plans. "Lots of people up and down the supply chain will be needed to make such initiatives work—to decide what data to collect and how to collect it, to analyze it, and to figure out which changes to make," she says.

6. Most health care
If you're a doctor, nurse, or physical therapist—working in a healthcare job that requires a lot of direct interaction with patients—there's probably no need to be looking over your shoulder for a machine version of yourself, says Ford. All the same, he cautions, "there are certainly a lot of areas where automation is developing—like hospital delivery and pharmacy robots. The Japanese are even working on automating some nursing and elder-care functions." In fact, he adds, systems like IBM's Watson may even start making diagnoses some day. And radiology jobs—already off-shored to India much of the time, where doctors read scans at much lower cost—are also likely to be largely automated eventually.



7. Human care
Robots won't advance that quickly in industries where a human touch is preferable, even if it isn't entirely necessary, as Subramani points out; in situations where interacting with a machine might be upsetting instead of soothing, humans won't be pushed out. "For instance, I find it hard to believe that we will have funeral home employees replaced by robots, even though robots may be more efficient," Subramani says. "I think industries like daycare are reasonably immune for the same reasons."

8. Media
Though content-stripping bots can already cut and assemble simple news stories, and “content farms” are spreading like pop-up stores, writers, editor, and designers are likely to be needed well into the future to help keep the Internet running. "Yes, there are very good 'off-the-shelf' programs like WordPress to 'automate' how a website gets published," Kantor notes. "But we need lots of real people to input data, design pages, and write and edit material so that people actually want to read it." Television channels and magazines will also continue to need to employ people for similar reasons—not just to report on stories, but to design graphics, manage editorial and production teams, and so on.

9. Lawyers, financial analysts and other creative knowledge workers
Creative knowledge workers—those who have to think creatively for a living—aren't going to be phased any time soon, either. Take lawyers, for instance. "Much of the core work involves value judgment: what is good, what is bad what is desirable or not," says Subramani, who points to the opinions judges write as an example. "It's more than just logical reasoning based on evidence." Other creative knowledge workers include architects and financial analysts. But those doing non-creative knowledge work, like paralegals who search for and gather data won’t fare so well. “Doing anything that involves consistently executing a rote task—is likely to be where robots are likely to excel," Subramini adds.

10. Politics
Predictions about our robot overlords aside, we will probably never have a robot in the White House. "I think a lot of government jobs may someday be threatened, but probably not those of politicians," says Ford. A robotic president would require human-like artificial intelligence of a kind that experts may never be able to develop, he points out. And even if they could, the people who kiss babies, give speeches, and make laws for a living will probably retain their gigs.

"The best answer for why we won't have robotic politicians is that the politicians would never allow it," says Ford. "Among workers, politicians really have a unique level of power when it comes to protecting their own interests." However, their support staff—government-paid analysts, auditors, and accountants—won't necessarily be as safe since much of all of the work they do could be automated some day.

These combined can't even come close to equaling the jobs threatened by automation.

Truck drivers alone being phased out will be utterly devastating.

 

[Maschine_Man]

These combined can't even come close to equaling the jobs threatened by automation.

Truck drivers alone being phased out will be utterly devastating.

Then you better start learning robot maintenance, repair, programming, development.

Get ahead of the curve....

 

[rapbeats]

Then you better start learning robot maintenance, repair, programming, development.

Get ahead of the curve....

now i agree with that. but guess what?

robots will be able to maintain themselves in a bit.
the better AI becomes, programs will program themselves.

let me explain myself. its already happening on a small scale. lets use excel for an example. a software program.
there's a feature called "concatenate" : The concatenate function is one of Excel's text functions. It is used to join two or more words or text strings together. For example, sometimes data distributed over multiple columns in an excel spreadsheet is more efficient to use when combined into one column.

now, there is an excel formula one use to have to know(advanced feature) to pull this task off. that was pre excel 2013 and beyond.

now you dont even need to know this formula. why not? because its already programmed into the program to know when you the person would like to combine text strings from two columns into one. all you have to do is start typing out the first string of text from both columns in the new combined column. then it will know to do the same to all columns below that.
How did excel know to do this? It's programming is programmed to know what you want and to some what adhere to your tendencies. to make your job easier and easier. the easier it gets to use said program. the easier it is to phase a human out of the equation completely. because all they have to do is bottle up the different ways we use said program. and know what industries use which thing in which instance. oh its tax time. fine. the program already knows to pop out financial statement templates and to start balancing the books.

Do you realize one of the reasons they wont automate a lot of stuff RIGHT NOW is to keep us workers working so we wont go nuts and charge the white house and every govt. building. along with every company. it would be like those crazy futuristic movies where the people would be setting all these places on fire and going crazy. while some of them would try to keep us in our place with violence and lies.

basically, they know we the people countrywide and worldwide are not completely ready for this fully automated world. they dont know yet what to do with the rest of the citizens if they no longer have jobs and really dont need to work because the computer can do that already. some things wont be able to be replaced by another human job. quite a few jobs will be gone forever. They dont know if they should just cut us all that flat check and call it a day or what.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Do you realize one of the reasons they wont automate a lot of stuff RIGHT NOW is to keep us workers working so we wont go nuts and charge the white house and every govt. building. along with every company. it would be like those crazy futuristic movies where the people would be setting all these places on fire and going crazy. while some of them would try to keep us in our place with violence and lies.

basically, they know we the people countrywide and worldwide are not completely ready for this fully automated world. they dont know yet what to do with the rest of the citizens if they no longer have jobs and really dont need to work because the computer can do that already. some things wont be able to be replaced by another human job. quite a few jobs will be gone forever. They dont know if they should just cut us all that flat check and call it a day or what.

Nail on the head. The technology is there to replace many of the positions from that initial infographic. There may be some difficulties with up front costs, but that will be less of an issue as more companies begin to purchase/utilize the robots.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

UBI will probably just cause inflation...raising prices across the board until its beneficial effects are cancelled out....or it will have to be packaged with price controls somehow...which will lead to shortages because even with robots you cant produce as much as you want...raw materials and energy costs will still limit production.

I dont know how many times this failed ideology can be repackaged...adding robots to it wont make it any better because doesn't change the fact that human desires are endless and unpredictable.

 

[Maschine_Man]

y'all need to stop watching all these sci-fi movies...

 

[dondraper]

UBI will probably just cause inflation...raising prices across the board until its beneficial effects are cancelled out....or it will have to be packaged with price controls somehow...which will lead to shortages because even with robots you cant produce as much as you want...raw materials and energy costs will still limit production.

I dont know how many times this failed ideology can be repackaged...adding robots to it wont make it any better because doesn't change the fact that human desires are endless and unpredictable.

Robots may be able to increase production to levels above human demand. Its not highly probable but it is possible.