I honestly think the war with Iran was unavoidable

[Ducktales]

They still gave them weapons to do it though.

America has always gave them weapons and engaged in proxy wars. Every president thought it was an incredibly BAD idea to enter into direct conflict with its a power like Iran. We are in a “proxy” war via Ukraine / Russian war at in funding Ukraine. The United States will never seek to have a conflict directly in warfare with Russia unless absolutely necessary . Iran carried its own complications..It’s not Iraq or Afghanistan. It is a military superpower in regards to the most equal counterpart that we have had since Korea…powered by allies in China and Russia .

It was the financial incentives…. the people closest to the president with direct financial entanglements with the outcome. Kushner’s $25 million annually from Saudi Arabia. The Adelson network’s hundreds of millions in campaign funding. Netanyahu having a direct psychological pipeline to a paranoid president haunted by assassination attempts. This is the first large scale “AI” war and warfare has completely changed , powered by drones and air assault , decreasing the need for ground invasion and making the stakes extremely more critical in 2026 and beyond.

If trump was never elected , it is not fair to say we would directly go into war with Iran. I don’t believe that would have ever happened. And they planned over 20 years for the war knowing we would eventually attack. They would have never initiated war with us , knowing we would go scorched earth and bomb their country. Trump has allowed himself to be under a large scale paranoia of being “assasinated”… manipulated by those around him and his own fbi. There has never been a more incompetent president.

The US engages in proxy wars, because in today’s world it carries less risk and allows us to preserve a lot of our counter relationships with allies. Saudi Arabia and the gulf states , we are extremely dependent on. We are the petrodollar . And without it we are nothing. The US has more interest and connections to maintain even in spite of Israel and Jewish influence in the government. People trashing you for making excuses. But I think you meant well. But it’s not a fair assumption to make given history and modern warfare. Net has been crying wolf on Iran literally every year since his origins speaking about nuclear annihilation and Israel being in immediate danger. No other president took that bait. We are in this war because we are led by a imbecile drowning in his own fiscal ambitions and paranoia



What president does this?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Do you have any idea of the overlap between the highest political donors and 'Friends of the IDF'?

You're not making an argument here. You're asserting something. Even if there's overlap between donors and that organization, you still have to show causation. Who made what decision, under what pressure, and how that explains actual policy outcomes?

Without that, you're just implying something without demonstrating it. The fact that different presidents have taken conflicting approaches to Iran undermines the idea of a single donor-driven agenda anyway, so????

This war was avoidable.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Yes and no. It could've been avoided if Trump wasn't president. But a Trump presidency was inevitable. The Citizens United ruling all but guaranteed a rich demagogue would eventually be president. Trump is a symptom of a dying system and this Iran war, Gaza genocide, Maduro kidnapping, trade wars, and annexation threats are death throes. We are dying from within and this is what empires do as they die; fight wars that bankrupt them and seek out resources to extend their existence a little longer.

 

[Elim Garak]

You're not making an argument here. You're asserting something. Even if there's overlap between donors and that organization, you still have to show causation. Who made what decision, under what pressure, and how that explains actual policy outcomes?

Without that, you're just implying something without demonstrating it. The fact that different presidents have taken conflicting approaches to Iran undermines the idea of a single donor-driven agenda anyway, so????

This war was avoidable.

Very well said. I think this is just some people wanting to go you see "bothsides when it's not accurate.

 

[HarlemHottie]

I'm well aware of how donors work.

You need to update your understanding, these are not normal times. That vast network of billionaires is much larger than Miriam Adelson, I just mentioned a single nexus. There are others, ie, the Mega Group. They've openly purchased our entire media apparatus, thereby limiting the information Trump (and the rest of us) has access to. Everybody surrounding Trump is in on it, right down to his own children.

Joe Kent said that even the US intelligence community is dependent on bs 'intelligence' from Israel. Trump said it himself, that Jared and them told him to start bombing.

The president is completely captured, in every way imaginable, yeah, but look around, so is everyone else. Israel has been building the neccesary infrastructure to control whoever gets in for decades bc they're controlling the information. When you craft the input, you control the output.

 

[Chrishaune]

You need to update your understanding, these are not normal times. That vast network of billionaires is much larger than Miriam Adelson, I just mentioned a single nexus. There are others, ie, the Mega Group. They've openly purchased our entire media apparatus, thereby limiting the information Trump (and the rest of us) has access to. Everybody surrounding Trump is in on it, right down to his own children.

Joe Kent said that even the US intelligence community is dependent on bs 'intelligence' from Israel. Trump said it himself, that Jared and them told him to start bombing.

The president is completely captured, in every way imaginable, yeah, but look around, so is everyone else. Israel has been building the neccesary infrastructure to control whoever gets in for decades bc they're controlling the information. When you craft the input, you control the output.

Trying to blame all of this on Israel is a mistake.
You have too many rich families at the top like the Royals, the Rockefellers, the family of JP Morgan, etc that know what they have been doing behind the scenes.

Going against Israel means you actually want the Euros to get what they want, because they never wanted Israel to be a nation anyway. They wanted Euro supremacy and control of the whole world.

 

[Devilinurear]

It never ceases to amaze me how many excuses people make for Trump's bullshyt.

You see it

White men only fail up

 

[HarlemHottie]

Trying to blame all of this on Israel is a mistake.
You have too many rich families at the top like the Royals, the Rockefellers, the family of JP Morgan, etc that know what they have been doing behind the scenes.

Going against Israel means you actually want the Euros to get what they want, because they never wanted Israel to be a nation anyway. They wanted Euro supremacy and control of the whole world.

"Trying" to blame Israel? I'm taking in the information they very willingly put out. They blamed themselves.

Further, I give not one damn what the 'Euros' want. Those is ALL white people. Israel's existence furthers white supremacy.

You're not making an argument here. You're asserting something. Even if there's overlap between donors and that organization, you still have to show causation. Who made what decision, under what pressure, and how that explains actual policy outcomes?

I don't have to show shyt. Donald Trump himself admitted that he was talked into this war by Jared Kushner and other assorted Chabad Lubavitch adherents.

Very well said. I think this is just some people wanting to go you see "bothsides when it's not accurate.

And I think you're stupidly naive.

We all have opinions, I like to deal in facts. "Both sides" have, in fact, been working on this project intently for the past few decades. The fact that I have to make the case to you proves that you don't deal in facts. You couldn't even muster up a proper rebuttal to Obama and Bidens continued support. You actually believe the bs that comes out of these people's mouths, I'm legit amazed.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

I don't have to show shyt. Donald Trump himself admitted that he was talked into this war by Jared Kushner and other assorted Chabad Lubavitch adherents.

I mean, you actually do if you want people to seriously engage with your position. I can understand why you're hesitant to do this, though, given you're using claims made by Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens to inform your opinion.

Chabad on high alert after false Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens war claims

Two leading right-wing anti-Israel influencers hurl accusations that the highly visible Hasidic sect is somehow behind the Iran conflict

forward.com

https://www.jsonline.com/story/opinion/contributors/2026/03/16/tucker-carlson-chabad-torah-antisemitism/89108195007/

As far as what Trump said:

At a press conference on Monday evening, President Trump said his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, was one of a handful of top advisers who convinced him to launch major combat operations in Iran. The disclosure raises additional questions about the role of Kushner, who is being paid tens of millions of dollars annually by Middle Eastern governments that were reportedly lobbying Trump to attack Iran.

“The situation was very quickly approaching the point of no return… based on what Steve and Jared and Pete and others were telling me, Marco is so involved, I thought they were going to attack us,” Trump said, referring to Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Kushner, who has no formal title.

UPDATE: Trump says Kushner helped convince him to go to war with Iran

The disclosure highlights Kushner's massive financial conflicts.

popular.info

 

[HarlemHottie]

I mean, you actually do if you want people to seriously engage with your position.

Actually, it's you who don't want to seriously engage with my position, laid out quite neatly in a subsequent post.

you're using a claim made by Tucker Carlson to inform your opinion.

Lies make you appear unreliable.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Actually, it's you who don't want to seriously engage with my position, laid out quite neatly in a subsequent post.


Lies make you appear unreliable.

I am engaging with what you posted. You haven't posted a single bit of evidence to support your claim. You even said you didn't have to.

Trump said nothing about Chabad Lubavitch in that video. That specific claim comes directly from Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.

 

[SunZoo]

In the literal sense, avoidable, like Trump or anyone else could certainly choose a different thing...but we were always going to end up here because Iran is the final boss of the game the axis of Epstien has been playing the entire time.

No amount of p*ssy foot enabling of the creation of "Greater Isreal" by democrats was going to indefinitely prolong the inevitable rise of somebody like Trump at this state of the game. The 'lesser evil' party has only been in place to keep US, the frogs from jumping out of the boiling pot of water. This is the boiling point that all other unlawful 'regime change' and other work Biden, Obomber, Bush, Cliton and everyone put in



"If the capitol were to crumble to the ground what would remain is our commitment to our cooperation with Isreal"

With how much influence the have, even just recently over our media and our politics, sooner or later, a president willing to begin the endgame sequence was inevitable.

 

[DPresidential]

Multiple presidents said no for the better part of 40 years. This is complete bullshyt and it was not unavoidable.

/thread

 

[SNG]

In the literal sense, avoidable, like Trump or anyone else could certainly choose a different thing...but we were always going to end up here because Iran is the final boss of the game the axis of Epstien has been playing the entire time.

No amount of p*ssy foot enabling of the creation of "Greater Isreal" by democrats was going to indefinitely prolong the inevitable rise of somebody like Trump at this state of the game. The 'lesser evil' party has only been in place to keep US, the frogs from jumping out of the boiling pot of water. This is the boiling point that all other unlawful 'regime change' and other work Biden, Obomber, Bush, Cliton and everyone put in



"If the capitol were to crumble to the ground what would remain is our commitment to our cooperation with Isreal"

With how much influence the have, even just recently over our media and our politics, sooner or later, a president willing to begin the endgame sequence was inevitable.

This. Israel at this point won’t stop taking over the Middle East. Netanyahu is the modern day hitler of the Middle East and America has been supporting this bullshyt.

 

[SunZoo]

This. Israel at this point won’t stop taking over the Middle East. Netanyahu is the modern day hitler of the Middle East and America has been supporting this bullshyt.

In Trump's demented mind he's Andrew Jackson, who gave Hitler his blueprint.