I just re listened to Urban Legend by TIP

[ABlackMan]

My anthem

Damn we were blessed in middle school this real south right here. TI Jeezy Wayne Gucci I guess who else we had

 

[ISO]

Trap Muzik.. Urban Legend and I'm Serious.. U could say King also

Those albums ain’t better than GRODT y’all can’t be objective for shyt lol.

And Power of the Dollar>I’m Serious.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Those albums ain’t better than GRODT y’all can’t be objective for shyt lol.

And Power of the Dollar>I’m Serious.

Trap Muzik and Urban Legend were definitely better than GRODT to me.

 

[blizzard man]

Many Men, 21 Questions, In Da Club for sure.

This is only 3 songs

 

[Brehcepticon]

Still getting play

 

[reserved_one]

I consider Urban Legend to be a classic and it’s not even TI’s best work....I love 50 but solo wise? He only has 1 classic GROTD. If POAD was officially released then he would have 2 but TI’s catalog is not to be slept on.

 

[mikishere]

Ja had the feds on his back and was still having actually very good to moderate success in 04 with the feds and the 50/Shady train on him. What TIP did to Flip is actually a nail in the coffin, Urban Legend and Down with the King drops and nikka can’t get a release date

you rewriting history... ja went from a multi platinum selling artist (easily top 5 in popularity at the time even from years prior) to a laughing stock in the matter of 1 year because of 50 with wanksta and back down, etc. he did have a little spark with new york, but ultimately his career was finito regardless. that TI vs Flip shyt doesnt even come close in comparison, Flip was a 1 hit wonder from jump.

the stans on both sides of this argument kill me, 50 vs TI is way closer than TI/south stans & 50 stans think. 50 has the bigger and more undeniable records but TI has a much more leveled catalog.

 

[murksiderock]

Life on The Line was like from 99

Thanks for that reminder. I haven't played a Fif record in years, so I can't remember if it was on the original Get Rich, but it was on the version I played this morning...

I didn't hear Fif until Oct/Nov '02 so I heard Life On The Line a little after then, shyt was one of my favorite 50 songs. He had a couple joint on Get Rich I used to really like but have forgotten about...

Those albums ain’t better than GRODT y’all can’t be objective for shyt lol.

And Power of the Dollar>I’m Serious.

Get Rich is a better album than any album Tip has dropped, I agree with that. My thing with Fif is its basically downhill after that in a big way, he's got 12 years of drops after Get Rich and the quality of music feels like it got bad and stayed that way...

Question, what makes you favor Fif over Tip? Is it the peak run and popularity? The tape run leading up to Get Rich and Get Rich itself? Do you think he's a better lyricist with more range and versatility?

I've never heard these two really compared until recently but it's kinda surprising to me that there are people who are really assertive in this belief that 50 is greater than Tip overall...

I'm gonna go back and play the Whoo Kid/G-Unit Radio tapes later...

I consider Urban Legend to be a classic and it’s not even TI’s best work....I love 50 but solo wise? He only has 1 classic GROTD. If POAD was officially released then he would have 2 but TI’s catalog is not to be slept on.

Tip's catalog is okay, I think guys undervalue it but there are people in here overrating it. It's good compared to 50, but he doesn't have a legendary catalog...

The truth is both of them underachieved relative to where you thought they were going at their peaks. If you asked nikkas 15 years ago in Summer '05 what you thought these dudes legacies would be in 2020, I dont think most people pictured either as middle of the pack types, 15 years ago they were both on heavy momentum and two of the biggest rappers in the game. They both underachieved...

 

[ISO]

Get Rich is a better album than any album Tip has dropped, I agree with that. My thing with Fif is its basically downhill after that in a big way, he's got 12 years of drops after Get Rich and the quality of music feels like it got bad and stayed that way...

Question, what makes you favor Fif over Tip? Is it the peak run and popularity? The tape run leading up to Get Rich and Get Rich itself? Do you think he's a better lyricist with more range and versatility?

I've never heard these two really compared until recently but it's kinda surprising to me that there are people who are really assertive in this belief that 50 is greater than Tip overall...

This started with Tip challenging 50 Cent to a Verzuz.

I think the Get Rich or Die Tryin' soundtrack and The Massacre get slept on. The soundtrack is littered with classic tracks and I don't see how an album with Position of Power, God Gave Me Style, Ryder Music, Ski Mask Way, Baltimore Love Thing is trash. Candy Shop and Just a Lil Bit call them corny or whatever but they were smash hits in that era the first being bigger than any T.I. song. Scott Storch played Just a Lil Bit in his battle against Mannie Fresh and it was well received but let the Coli tell it people don't have nostalgia for these records. I also don't know why people acting like T.I. doesn't have "corny" songs.

The peak run and popularity definitely matter and 50 was so big at his peak arguably the highest popularity peak of any rapper in history that he was bound to fizzle out quicker. Although, I believe that the longevity argument for Tip is overstated to me both were done after 2008. I don't think they underachieved I just feel like it was no way they could stop the "blog" era guys bringing that youth from taking over the game. T.I. was able to extend his career collaborating with the likes of Young Thug, Drake, Iggy, Chris Brown in the 2010's but even then it's not like he's running shyt or moving units. 50 moved onto television and has been successful there as he was as a rapper.

Do I think 50 is greater than Tip? I don't like to get into that because different artists are different writers. 50 was a great storyteller, he was good at giving you those one liners and harsh realities, he was good at writing hooks and melodies a skill many writers lack, and overall he was a pretty prolific writer. He's underrated as a rapper if we're being honest he should be more respected as a writer. I also feel like he has been a more influential artist than Tip. His music is sampled more today by modern artist and more modern artist cite him as an influence and give him props. For T.I., I don't really see that.

T.I.'s catalog isn't that good lol. He's got Trap Muzik and King and then his pop album Paper Trail. It's not like Urban Legend and T.I. vs. Tip were these great albums they were mediocre or like T.I.'s 2010's albums moved the needle in any way.

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

This started with Tip challenging 50 Cent to a Verzuz.

I think the Get Rich or Die Tryin' soundtrack and The Massacre get slept on. The soundtrack is littered with classic tracks and I don't see how an album with Position of Power, God Gave Me Style, Ryder Music, Ski Mask Way, Baltimore Love Thing is trash. Candy Shop and Just a Lil Bit call them corny or whatever but they were smash hits in that era the first being bigger than any T.I. song. Scott Storch played Just a Lil Bit in his battle against Mannie Fresh and it was well received but let the Coli tell it people don't have nostalgia for these records. I also don't know why people acting like T.I. doesn't have "corny" songs.

The peak run and popularity definitely matter and 50 was so big at his peak arguably the highest popularity peak of any rapper in history that he was bound to fizzle out quicker. Although, I believe that the longevity argument for Tip is overstated to me both were done after 2008. I don't think they underachieved I just feel like it was no way they could stop the "blog" era guys bringing that youth from taking over the game. T.I. was able to extend his career collaborating with the likes of Young Thug, Drake, Iggy, Chris Brown in the 2010's but even then it's not like he's running shyt or moving units. 50 moved onto television and has been successful there as he was as a rapper.

Do I think 50 is greater than Tip? I don't like to get into that because different artists are different writers. 50 was a great storyteller, he was good at giving you those one liners and harsh realities, he was good at writing hooks and melodies a skill many writers lack, and overall he was a pretty prolific writer. He's underrated as a rapper if we're being honest he should be more respected as a writer. I also feel like he has been a more influential artist than Tip. His music is sampled more today by modern artist and more modern artist cite him as an influence and give him props. For T.I., I don't really see that.

T.I.'s catalog isn't that good lol. He's got Trap Muzik and King and then his pop album Paper Trail. It's not like Urban Legend and T.I. vs. Tip were these great albums they were mediocre or like T.I.'s 2010's albums moved the needle in any way.

TIs album was going Gold in 2013, a year later 50 did 50,000 first week lmaoo... Trouble Man was a good album and Urban Legend is not mediocre lmao

 

[ISO]

TIs album was going Gold in 2013, a year later 50 did 50,000 first week lmaoo... Trouble Man was a good album and Urban Legend is not mediocre lmao

Paperwork did 80,000 first week and Animal Ambition did 46,000 first week in 2014. The gap isn’t as large as you’re making it.

Trouble Man had jail comeback hype and had features from Meek, Lil Wayne, A$AP Rocky, Andre 3000, R. Kelly, Pink, Ceelo and Akon.

Fif only had Yo Gotti, Trey Songz, Kidd Kidd, Jadakiss, Styles P. And T.I. had the Atlantic machine too.

T.I.’s 2010’s work did not move the needle in any way.

 

[28 Gramz]

Damn we were blessed in middle school this real south right here. TI Jeezy Wayne Gucci I guess who else we had

Boosie & Webbie. 04-09 was really a golden era for trap/hood music.

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

TIs album was going Gold in 2013, a year later 50 did 50,000 first week lmaoo

Paperwork did 80,000 first week and Animal Ambition did 46,000 first week in 2014. The gap isn’t as large as you’re making it.

Trouble Man had jail comeback hype and had features from Meek, Lil Wayne, A$AP Rocky, Andre 3000, R. Kelly, Pink, Ceelo and Akon.

Fif only had Yo Gotti, Trey Songz, Kidd Kidd, Jadakiss, Styles P. And T.I. had the Atlantic machine too.

T.I.’s 2010’s work did not move the needle in any way.

80,000 compared to 50,000 is actually realistically a very sizeable gap lmao

 

[A Tribe Called Quest ™]

Paperwork did 80,000 first week and Animal Ambition did 46,000 first week in 2014. The gap isn’t as large as you’re making it.

Trouble Man had jail comeback hype and had features from Meek, Lil Wayne, A$AP Rocky, Andre 3000, R. Kelly, Pink, Ceelo and Akon.

Fif only had Yo Gotti, Trey Songz, Kidd Kidd, Jadakiss, Styles P. And T.I. had the Atlantic machine too.

T.I.’s 2010’s work did not move the needle in any way.

Trouble Man did not really have jail comeback hype, he couldn’t buy a single for his life and got lucky with Ball but that wasn’t even a huge song and he still went Gold

 

[28 Gramz]

I've run thru Get Rich and The Massacre, Massacre really wasnt that good. Get Rich is a classic, and I'll say stronger than anything Tip dropped, which underscores 50's peak run that we know was higher. Get Rich was dope, couple of em I forgot about like Life On The Line, I don't agree with those who say it didn't age well. Still sounds fire...

Running thru Curtis now, but really Tip vs 50 boils down to whether you think Fif's peak, his mixtape run, his lyricism and artistry is greater than Tip's lyricism, artistry, peak, and the fact that cumulatively Tip was more relevant and more consistent for a longer period of time...

50 isn't TIs league when it comes to lyricism, flow or creativity. He was a better songwriter as far as hooks and melody but that's where it stops. He was essentially a one trick pony after GRODT he tried to recreate that magic with the Massacre..corny girl records, club shyt and dissing nikkas to get on but it became bland real quick. None of TIs albums or hit singles have the same theme, sound or structure which is why his work held up alot better over the years.