I might vote for Trump just off this alone

[Broke Wave]

I am black, but you are probably right because blacks generally vote Democrat against their interests. The black community is generally socially conservative, religious, against gay rights, xenophobic, etc. If you were starting from scratch, I'm pretty sure the Republican agenda would appeal to blacks more than the Democratic agenda. But due to historical situations outlined in this thread, the black vote will go to whatever Democrat is up there. Most blacks still love the Clintons even after they created the modern Prison Industrial Complex

How about their economic interest?

 

[Broke Wave]

I can understand being anti democrat but.. Voting for repubs?

Does anyone remember Katrina?

 

[Tate]

How about their economic interest?

To be fair, the democrats have been in near lockstep with the GOP economically for decades.

Trump is actually an interesting figure. He's the most left leaning Republican candidate. He supports a single-payer health care system and is pro/neutral on abortion. He's spoken out (in a very shallow manner, mind you) against police brutality. He's spoken out about corporate America's undue influence on the political process. He's protectionist and focused on bringing jobs back to America. And this is the Republican front-runner. That's pretty incredible. His problem is his signalling. It's all being taken to the extreme, and he's allowing it to happen because he's playing the short game. The personal vendetta he has with Megyn Kelly led him to being lambasted as misogynistic when he's the only Republican candidate to extoll the importance of funding women's health care. His crass comments about the nature of illegal immigrants have led him to being (legitimately) characterized as racist when the core of his stance on the issue is imo at least defensible. He has no worse history on black issues than Hillary Clinton or Martin O'Malley. I think if he plays his cards right (which he's not doing right now) he could actually capture a lot of moderate, youth and black votes. He's easily the most authentic person in this race, and it's evidently incredibly refreshing to many people.

Which goes to show you the abject unpopularity of right wing economics. No one likes neoliberalism. The GOP has built its coalition off racial appeals and cultural warfare.

 

[Broke Wave]

To be fair, the democrats have been in near lockstep with the GOP economically for decades.



Which goes to show you the abject unpopularity of right wing economics. No one likes neoliberalism. The GOP has built its coalition off racial appeals and cultural warfare.

I dont think thats a totally fair characterization of democratic macro policy, especially now including Obama. They have vast similarities and a few major differences. Do you think the Ryan plan is similar to anything any democrat has proposed? Not even the most right wing blue dog democrats would advocate for mainstream republican economic policy.

 

[Misanthrope]

if she gets the nominee - hell yeah im voting for her
WHAT im suppose to do •vote for an individual who policy's im totally against

Vote independent. Voting for evil to avoid the chance of a larger evil winning just means that you're going to get evil either way.

 

[Tate]

I dont think thats a totally fair characterization of democratic macro policy, especially now including Obama. They have vast similarities and a few major differences. Do you think the Ryan plan is similar to anything any democrat has proposed? Not even the most right wing blue dog democrats would advocate for mainstream republican economic policy.

Good point. I should have specified pre tea party republicans. There have always been some differences in philosophy but in actual action they've been very similar.

 

[King Kreole]

How about their economic interest?

Yeah I find the black economic stance to be more nuanced than the social stances. The traditional narrative is that blacks are poor so they support the party that offers them more in the form of welfare and other benefits for the poor. There was also a very left-wing history in black nationalist movements, so that's definitely a factor. But I don't think the modern black community can be as accurately described using that paradigm anymore. The fastest growing group of entrepreneurs in America are black women. As black become more enfranchised, they are able to take advantage of the economic opportunities that were once forbidden to them. Traits such as hard work and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" find themselves at home in the black community. Very growth oriented. I'm not sure if this will be enough to counteract the decades of reinforced cohesion between the Democrats and the black community, and the Republicans are doing themselves no favours by having white racists under their tent and their fukkery with voter registration. But I think there is a natural, perhaps growing affinity between the black community and Republicans ideals. At least if the Republicans are smart with the direction they take their party in after this impending self-immolation, which I see no reason to believe they will be.

 

[King Kreole]

I mean, this could legitimately have been the official Republican campaign song in 2012.

 

[The_Sheff]

If you are a fan of someone who is an expert at talking shyt and doesnt back down (which honestly every Coli poster has to be at some level) you gotta love this Trump run. Georgia has an open primary and you better believe if he is on the ballet for the republican primary my ass will be there to give him a vote.

 

[pickles]

Mannnn fukk Trump.

This the same fukker talking about Obama aint born in the country.
Talking about I want to see his birth certificate.

Talking about I want to see his grades in college. how did he get into Harvard Law? etc.

I watched the first season of the Apprentice ( don't clown me brehs )

In the end there were two male contestants left.

Black guy who went to Harvard (harvard business school? )

White guy who didn't go to college, but runs a online cigar company


Guess who won?


SPOILER ALERT




It ain't the black guy.


He is basically pandering to racists.

Wonder why he is so popular on thecoli. :mjdrinking:

 

[King Kreole]

Which goes to show you the abject unpopularity of right wing economics. No one likes neoliberalism. The GOP has built its coalition off racial appeals and cultural warfare.

They have, but I think there are differences between the signalling of the Republican economic ideals and the Democrat economic ideals. It's not so much about actual differences in policy or economic implementation, but more so about what a person's beliefs are regarding things like justice, equality, community, responsibility, self-interest, etc. People don't actually care if the marginal tax rate for the top bracket goes up or down 2%, they care about what it signals. Neoliberalism is here regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office, but identity politics is an active battle ground, and the GOP picked the wrong set of identity characteristics to champion. White men can't elect the president anymore.

 

[Broke Wave]

Yeah I find the black economic stance to be more nuanced than the social stances. The traditional narrative is that blacks are poor so they support the party that offers them more in the form of welfare and other benefits for the poor. There was also a very left-wing history in black nationalist movements, so that's definitely a factor. But I don't think the modern black community can be as accurately described using that paradigm anymore. The fastest growing group of entrepreneurs in America are black women. As black become more enfranchised, they are able to take advantage of the economic opportunities that were once forbidden to them. Traits such as hard work and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" find themselves at home in the black community. Very growth oriented. I'm not sure if this will be enough to counteract the decades of reinforced cohesion between the Democrats and the black community, and the Republicans are doing themselves no favours by having white racists under their tent and their fukkery with voter registration. But I think there is a natural, perhaps growing affinity between the black community and Republicans ideals. At least if the Republicans are smart with the direction they take their party in after this impending self-immolation, which I see no reason to believe they will be.

Good post. But when it comes down to policy IE repealing Obamacare, more tax cuts for the rich, social and medicare cuts, general budget cuts, war, Black Americans are not interested in those things.

 

[Tate]

They have, but I think there are differences between the signalling of the Republican economic ideals and the Democrat economic ideals. It's not so much about actual differences in policy or economic implementation, but more so about what a person's beliefs are regarding things like justice, equality, community, responsibility, self-interest, etc. People don't actually care if the marginal tax rate for the top bracket goes up or down 2%, they care about what it signals. Neoliberalism is here regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office, but identity politics is an active battle ground, and the GOP picked the wrong set of identity characteristics to champion. White men can't elect the president anymore.

Touché. I certainly disagree with your ideals but that's an astute analysis on the current framing of the debate.

 

[King Kreole]

Good post. But when it comes down to policy IE repealing Obamacare, more tax cuts for the rich, social and medicare cuts, general budget cuts, war, Black Americans are not interested in those things.

Yeah, very true. There are real and legitimate differences between the black community as a whole and certain important Republican positions, so it's not totally surprising or anything. But for 93% I'd expect the candidate to be offering reparations or free black college education or something lol. That's a massive majority. I guess Obama being the first black president was an outlier though, so the number's Hillary gets will be more telling. But even Hillary having a massive lead over Sanders with the black vote is strange to me.

 

[Broke Wave]

Yeah, very true. There are real and legitimate differences between the black community as a whole and certain important Republican positions, so it's not totally surprising or anything. But for 93% I'd expect the candidate to be offering reparations or free black college education or something lol. That's a massive majority. I guess Obama being the first black president was an outlier though, so the number's Hillary gets will be more telling. But even Hillary having a massive lead over Sanders with the black vote is strange to me.

Thats strictly name recognition at this point. When the debates start and thr campaign gets serious people will start switching. Even without Obama actually running, people forget how powerful a cosign is in politics. if Obama came out and said "im voting for sanders" hes going to be the nominee. Same for hilary. If he stays out of it, which I think he will, Hilary will be badly damaged and win the nomination and go up against Scott Walker who is gonna have more money and win. Hilary is going to lose a lot of the solid left and walker is going to pretend to be a moderate to steal some swing state votes. This is just my opinion.