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That gimmick ass offense in no defense Phoenix is why that play was short lived. He wasn't that great a passer. I won't even argue the ball handling thing anymore because I short changed how great a one man fastbreak he was.


Been a Suns fan since 1990 & Chuck is the best passing big man we've ever had.

He was definitely above average.Especially out of the post


But nah, I take that back.Chuck was 2nd behind Oliver Miller.That dude was one of the best passing bigs I've ever seen.


Was crazy skilled, but the weight issues did him in.I remember that crazy pass he threw to chuck vs the Blazers.(1:30)


Looks like luck, but the play was actually drawn up the exact way it was executed.Ceballos was a decoy on the lob and Chuck was supposed to wait until it bounced off the backboard.The pass had to be perfect...and it was:wow:

Oliver had a crazy feel for passing

One of the most amazing plays I can remember.
 

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Double for what? You had to try to stay with your man in the 90's. On-the-ball defense was important. You gonna double and leave a man that could actually shoot open?

Barkley is my 2nd favorite PF...Webber is my 1st. He was a beast at 6'4 (6'6 :mjlol:)
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They didn't do it because of illegal defense rules. You have to stay with your man today too for the most part. And what you mean can actually shoot?

It's like your insinuating something about modern ball... :mjpls:
Quit trolling these nikkas.. Barkley in PHX was DISHING that hoe better than any big not named Webber,garnett or draymond.. his handles were ELITE For his position. He was damn near point forward.
Blake Griffin, Wes Unseld, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Joakim Noah, D-Rob, Sabonis, Gasol bros., Vlade Divac some other good options.
 

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Can't imagine how beastly Charles would be in this era. Out of the all time top 5 power forwards his game translates the best. Could handle, pass, dominant rebounder and one of the most explosive athletes of all time. Statiscally he's the worst 3 point shooter ever for attempts over 700...but he would probably be better
in this era since you're encouraged to shoot them.

exactly, Barkely didn't win MVP of the league for nothing. At his peak, dude is about as great as a KD caliber of player today.
 

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Can't imagine how beastly Charles would be in this era. Out of the all time top 5 power forwards his game translates the best. Could handle, pass, dominant rebounder and one of the most explosive athletes of all time. Statiscally he's the worst 3 point shooter ever for attempts over 700...but he would probably be better
in this era since you're encouraged to shoot them.

Dude was one of the best ball handlers and passers I have ever seen at the PF position. He was so good that the Bulls Johnny Bach came up with a special defense for him.

See teams would run a double at Barkley but he was great at splitting defenses. He would do the Wade move (when Wade was young) where he pushes the ball between the double team then runs and catches up to the ball then shoots or lays it up.

Barkley was the first player I ever saw do that shyt. Add to the fact he was a great passer especially out of double teams with those behind the back passes.

What the bulls would do (which I have never seen before) was send two defenders at him. Those defenders would double Barkley and actually place their arms around one another like a chain so as to not let Barkley split the double team or pass to someone out of the double.

This defense only worked in philly but once Barkley was in Phoenix this defense didn't work because they had great cutters and finishers and great 3 point shooters.

Those Phoenix teams with Barkley and the Houston team starting in 94 all the way until Hakeem left. Really are the original trend setters with making the 3 a weapon. You could not double hakeem or Barkley because of their ability to pass and split the double team. You double those dudes and they would pass to open shooters. Add to the fact that Barkley was like Lebron with liking to sit back (ISO and dribble with his back to the basket....he is the reason for the 5 count back down rule) with his back to the basket and look for the double. Then pass out the double or shoot the fade away or took it to the hole if no double came.

Barkley was pretty much unstoppable in the half court cause he could knock down mid range jumpers and handles where he could get by 3s and 4s and could lead the fast break as well. Just an all around great player.

His weakness was he didn't like to play defense. Unless you pissed him off (like the time he guarded rookie Shaq for stretches and said Shaq wasn't gonna come to Phoenix putting up godly points) or it was late in a game. His other weakness was his height. Barkley was only 6-6 and taller players like McHale and Elden Campbell gave him fits.

The Lakers in 93 took the suns to 5 games in the first round because of Elden Campbell height and length frustrating Barkley be forcing him to have bad shooting games.

But overall an amazing player who was fundamentally sound on the offensive end and was an amazing rebounder to be only 6-6.

Barkley, Rodman, Nate Archibald and AI are some of the most amazing players in the history of the basketball to be dominant players at their position considering their height/size.
 
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he fell in love with that 3 ball, especially as he got he older/slower

in the final matchup between chuck/MJ in the united center chuck was talkin shyt to MJ the entire game, but wasnt even trying to work on offense, just kept chucking up bad shot after bad shot:mjlol:

Actually he started to break down at 32. Those last few years in Phoenix he was a shell of himself. Remember he had bad back, knee and thigh issues. Some of it was due to him not taking care of himself (Barkley admitted to not working out in the offseason and only used the preseason to get in shape). Also I think all those years playing heavy minutes in philly carrying those trash teams took a lot out of him.

I will never forget that year in 91 I believe he played most the season in philly with a fractured ankle. He even tried to sit out the all star game but David Stern told him he had to play in it. I think Barkley ended up winning the MVP that all star game too.
 

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Been a Suns fan since 1990 & Chuck is the best passing big man we've ever had.

He was definitely above average.Especially out of the post


But nah, I take that back.Chuck was 2nd behind Oliver Miller.That dude was one of the best passing bigs I've ever seen.


Was crazy skilled, but the weight issues did him in.I remember that crazy pass he threw to chuck vs the Blazers.(1:30)


Looks like luck, but the play was actually drawn up the exact way it was executed.Ceballos was a decoy on the lob and Chuck was supposed to wait until it bounced off the backboard.The pass had to be perfect...and it was:wow:

Oliver had a crazy feel for passing

One of the most amazing plays I can remember.


You are so right about Oliver and Barkley. Oliver had such a high IQ dude was great at getting blocks and passing in congested areas.
 

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Also Barkley was the master of the booty bump. What I mean by this is that due to his height he had to get separation from a defender to get an offensive rebound or get a put back after getting an offensive rebound.

Barkley would box out and bump you with his butt to clear a defender so he could get the offensive rebound. Then when he got the rebound he would go back up at times with multiple fakes and then giving the defender another booty bump to clear the defender who was behind him so he could get the shot up without getting it blocked.

Just shows how smart of an offensive player he was and to use his small stature but stocky body to his advantage versus taller defenders.
 

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Dude was one of the best ball handlers and passers I have ever seen at the PF position. He was so good that the Bulls Johnny Bach came up with a special defense for him.

See teams would run a double at Barkley but he was great at splitting defenses. He would do the Wade move (when Wade was young) where he pushes the ball between the double team then runs and catches up to the ball then shoots or lays it up.

Barkley was the first player I ever saw do that shyt. Add to the fact he was a great passer especially out of double teams with those behind the back passes.

What the bulls would do (which I have never seen before) was send two defenders at him. Those defenders would double Barkley and actually place their arms around one another like a chain so as to not let Barkley split the double team or pass to someone out of the double.

This defense only worked in philly but once Barkley was in Phoenix this defense didn't work because they had great cutters and finishers and great 3 point shooters.

Those Phoenix teams with Barkley and the Houston team starting in 94 all the way until Hakeem left. Really are the original trend setters with making the 3 a weapon. You could not double hakeem or Barkley because of their ability to pass and split the double team. You double those dudes and they would pass to open shooters. Add to the fact that Barkley was like Lebron with liking to sit back (ISO and dribble with his back to the basket....he is the reason for the 5 count back down rule) with his back to the basket and look for the double. Then pass out the double or shoot the fade away or took it to the hole if no double came.

Barkley was pretty much unstoppable in the half court cause he could knock down mid range jumpers and handles where he could get by 3s and 4s and could lead the fast break as well. Just an all around great player.

His weakness was he didn't like to play defense. Unless you pissed him off (like the time he guarded rookie Shaq for stretches and said Shaq wasn't gonna come to Phoenix putting up godly points) or it was late in a game and his height. Barkley was only 6-6 and taller players like McHale and Elden Campbell gave him fits.

The Lakers in 93 took the suns to 5 games in the first round because of Elden Campbell height and length frustrating Barkley be forcing him to have bad shooting games.

But overall an amazing player who was fundamentally sound on the offensive end and was an amazing rebounder to be only 6-6.

Barkley, Rodman, Nate Archibald and AI are some of the most amazing players in the history of the basketball to be dominant players at their position considering their height/size.

Dropped it like a 5 percenter! Good post breh
 
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