Discussion in 'The Booth' started by DaHNIC82, Sep 19, 2021.
“Be Creative—Learn The Craft”: Revisiting Dr. Dre’s '99 Criticism of Diddy
I never understood Dre with this one
diddy was getting off on nostalgia smart marketing but as an artist its lazy.
a great modern example is from a couple years ago when tory lanez dropped a tape and it sampled mostly popular RnB songs people were calling him the king of sampling. shyt was disgusting to see in real time when nikkas like bink alchemist and madlib are still active dropping crazy sample flips.
send this to puff
Says the man who sharked George Clinton's entire discography for like 7 albums
Dre was too. Nuthin But A G Thang was a straight up loop. Amongst a bunch of other G Funk shyt he was doing. Lol.
Essentially, Dre was saying that, unlike Puff, he uses samples as instruments for a larger, more original effort, while Puffy's approach, which worked wonders for almost a decade, was more akin to jacking sounds that used to be popular and simply capitalizing off the nostalgia.
he interpolated some of it. it wasnt a straight up jack. dre does have some straight up jacks like my name is by em. but dre also has shyt that sounds like Can’t C Me by pac and the compilation he put out in 96 diddy got off almost exclusively on nostalgia.
The ironic thing is, Dre did a lot straight up jacking old songs just like Puffy and not switching up much to the song he sampled at all
And yes, Dr. Dre has musicians who replays the music and all that, but again, it's just basically just replaying old classic music from the 70's honestly
Neither of these brothers are creative with the sampling like RZA or Premier
It's not impressive at all once you hear all of those old Funk songs he was interpolating and sampling and having other musicians replay, cause he really didn't change shyt
it's not like when Premier or RZA totally flips a sample and comes with some somewhat new
Dre wasn't really wrong Hip-Hop production had advanced far beyond what Puff was doing
Dre, Large Pro, Premo, RZA ect. took shyt to another level around the same time in 91'/92'
Dre moreso with his r&b production which he doesn't get enough credit for
Puffy took it back to the late 80s/early early 90s NYC blend tapes but a clean/commercialized/'remixed'(but in most cases not really) version
kinda like how late 90s pop music was basically whitewashed late 80s new jack swing remixed
True, although it shocked me when I learned the sample for Liquid swords was untouched from the original.
The old blue, soul, old vintage rnb - they're the real hero's.
Although there's something to say good about curation and picking the samples.
It's an artform in itself.
Diddy was the most blatant sampler, remixer in the game. Most everyone else would replay, remaster, tweak samples. Puff would just lay vocals over it. Then he would take classic tracks like "Peter Piper" and give it to some 1 hit wonder girl group that I can't even remember.
Lazy and uninspiring.Hes a marketing genius not a musician. I'll take fukkin Eric Sermon over Puff!
Or Havoc or Pete Rock etc etc.