I see why the USA doesn't want them problems with China

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mad confused right now
Think this was for announcing olympics there
 

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I see your point and read your Spoiler, but that's not how Sovereign Bonds works. When a country owns your debt, its dangerous because you have to pay that money back and the Debt can actually turn into Equity for the Creditor. China can end up owning a large chunk of the US if America can not pay it back

And the retaliation by the US by "using it's allies in war" is kind of fictitious. Even if the US puts money in it's military and has Allies, Getting into War would decimate the US. Hope you know War isn't cheap right? War cost alot of money, something the US does not have

On top of that, China has backing on a Global Trade front. US can theoretically "pull the plug" on China, but China has formed alliances which was a smart thing. Why do you think they are knee deep in Africa? They also have manufacturing allies all over Asia, which produce alot of goods and services in the Western world. China can easily stop shipping/distributing to the Western world if it wants to, or just raise prices to bankrupt the US. On the flip side, the US has no leverage on China

Another thing you are not mentioning is that the US that decimated Japan in the 60s is not the same US in 2022. US has ironically decimated it's manufacturing and agricultural base. When you outsource your manufacturing and agriculture, you reduce the value of your country. Your wealth becomes artificial because you hold nothing of value that countries want to buy from you. China knee deep in Africa is another tactic to eliminate another trading pipeline that the US also uses. IMO seems like they are determined

Remember when Trump tried to issue that Tarrif on China? It worked for a couple months until it didn't. US can't flex it's muscle anymore and everyone knows it

Well thought out response. I agree with several of your points.:ehh:


But first I'll start with the points of contention. I am aware of soveriegn debt standards but i honestly didnt want to go into it. Id love to start a more in depth thread with you on it later. :whoa:



I used the simplest model with the car loan for arguments sake. The biggest point of that analogy was actually the portion on the bank going to a previously agreed upon institution to collect on what is owed. China has no viehicle or means to do this becuase all such global entities are controlled by the US or its proxies in EU. And we both know from domestic arrangements (indian treaties) and foreign ones (iran deal, cuba deal, etc) that the US will gleefully renege on any agreement that doesnt immediately benefit it. You could argue that US sovereign debt may get a credit-rating-downgrade; but thats the most china could hope for.



As for funding, the US has no problem there. Here, id make the analogy of income vs wealth.

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Visualize a trust fund baby from generational wealth and a working class college kid. Both of these people earn the same amount working at XYZ law firm, however ; if both parties were to challenge eachother financially the trust fund baby would win because he can tap into generations of stored wealth and his job money, while the working class college kid can only access his immediate savings from his job at XYZ law firm.

In a similar way to the analogy; china has only been earning at a similar rate to the US for 2 decades; while the US has been at this game and storing wealth since the post WWI roaring twenties. for literally a century. We are drowning in assets. This wealth has been stored in industry, intellectual property, equipment, infrastructure, etc. The liquidated value of a minor US city like Boston or SanJose is more than the GDP of some EU nations. Thus the value in the entire US is damn near infinite if motivation is present.

A bit off topic, but this is why I personally think the whole "national debt" thing we argue about every election cycle is much ado about nothing. Our balance sheets have been green ever since napoleon gave us a discount on Louisiana.:hubie:





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the US a fixed financial entity and runs the show:manny:

The physical land we live on is a “liquid asset”
And people especially right now

just look at the trade rate of the dollar .

check out how many military bases we have around the world

If we can’t don’t and won’t track our spending, what does that trillion dollar debt number really mean?

nothing

 

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Well thought out response. I agree with several of your points.:ehh:


But first I'll start with the points of contention. I am aware of soveriegn debt standards but i honestly didnt want to go into it. Id love to start a more in depth thread with you on it later. :whoa:



I used the simplest model with the car loan for arguments sake. The biggest point of that analogy was actually the portion on the bank going to a previously agreed upon institution to collect on what is owed. China has no viehicle or means to do this becuase all such global entities are controlled by the US or its proxies in EU. And we both know from domestic arrangements (indian treaties) and foreign ones (iran deal, cuba deal, etc) that the US will gleefully renege on any agreement that doesnt immediately benefit it. You could argue that US sovereign debt may get a credit-rating-downgrade; but thats the most china could hope for.



As for funding, the US has no problem there. Here, id make the analogy of income vs wealth.

.
Visualize a trust fund baby from generational wealth and a working class college kid. Both of these people earn the same amount working at XYZ law firm, however ; if both parties were to challenge eachother financially the trust fund baby would win because he can tap into generations of stored wealth and his job money, while the working class college kid can only access his immediate savings from his job at XYZ law firm.

In a similar way to the analogy; china has only been earning at a similar rate to the US for 2 decades; while the US has been at this game and storing wealth since the post WWI roaring twenties. for literally a century. We are drowning in assets. This wealth has been stored in industry, intellectual property, equipment, infrastructure, etc. The liquidated value of a minor US city like Boston or SanJose is more than the GDP of some EU nations. Thus the value in the entire US is damn near infinite if motivation is present.

A bit off topic, but this is why I personally think the whole "national debt" thing we argue about every election cycle is much ado about nothing. Our balance sheets have been green ever since napoleon gave us a discount on Louisiana.:hubie:





( I Switched format to audio to save space. This might be a nice compromise for brevity:whew:)


Concise Audio of my disagreement with your point ....

Link-> Vocaroo | Online voice recorder



Quick audio of my genuine agreement with your thoughts...

Link -> Vocaroo | Online voice recorder


Enough of this talk breh. I can see we are both intellectually sound, and we need to build :ehh:
I always want to build with other like minded brehs to create more Generational wealth

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