There are US generals on record talking about China with fear in their hearts. But according to a coli breh, nothing to worry about fellas. They lack combat experience. Easy workWhat?
I see why the USA doesn't want them problems with China
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That was cool as hell
You know, if this shyt kicks off, I hope they bring back the draft and put your ass up on deck.There are US generals on record talking about China with fear in their hearts. But according to a coli breh, nothing to worry about fellas. They lack combat experience. Easy work
You know, if this shyt kicks off, I hope they bring back the draft and put your ass up on deck.
U dumb fucck. Don’t even make sense. You’d be the first in line cause according to u, it’d be easy work. Matter of fact, I’d imagine you’d voluntarily sign up u keyboard warrior 
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because they're going to destroy us with a light show
So it appears my post when way over your head, I figured that would happen to a simpleton.
The Vietcong and the mujahideen were technically inferior to their opposition (French, US and Russia) by a wide margin; neither of the groups had a navy or an air force. However, they had generations of combat experience and rock-solid experience in their own backyard, essentially beating both US and Russia, because both superpowers lacked the political will and leadership and neither had the experience to fight in an insurgent/guerrilla warfare type of fight. Specifically speaking, the Vietnam War wa the greatest lesson that the US picked up and ran with and to this day, many of the developments that occurred then are still in play today.
With china now having being technically advanced, doesn't mean they will win. They don't have the logistical network, the combat experience and the combined combat training and experience that the US has. They have numbers, yes. It will be an absolute bloody war - and that is why our military leaders are worried about it, and they should. That's why diplomacy is the preferred method to ending conflicts.
Now, back to your silly comment about me being a 'keyboard warrior'... I have 18 years in with multiple deployments conducting actual combat operations... so I know what I say is actually relative and contributing to the discussion rather than what you saw on a random youtube that was found on reddit.
All jokes aside, read The bear went over the mountain, or watch the Vietnam War that was produced by PBS.
And why do you think this situation changed? Was it because of good ol' fashioned chinese industrialism, hard work, and reform?
Or perhaps China's position changed becuase the US govt artificially inflated their economy and decided to unilaterally export its manufacturing there?
I think history will prove the latter to be true. Strategically speaking, China is doing no better now than the empire of Japan was doing in the 40s. Since the late 1800s, the US had systematically and artificially propped up japan to be used as an outpost against the expansion of European powers in Asia. The japanese also held US bonds and made great investments oversees during their tenure as a superpower. But how did their situation change?
The US simply pulled the plug. And their nation collapsed in a year's time.
China is in the exact same quandary today. The plug can be pulled overnight. And the nation would collapse like a paper tiger in water.
I apologize here. This last one is a long read, but it would be disrespectful to not give you a compete response. Brevity aint my strong suit
Ironically , the ownership of US debt/assets/infrastructure is a liability to them; not an asset. Why do i say this? Debt transactions in the modern financial system are bound to collateral. Think of a loan on your car. The bank owns your debt because they transferred their money to you. In exchange, they hold collateral in your assets. Typically in the form of a title/deed to your property.
But what happens if you dont pay the bank back and honor your debt obligations? Per your agreement, the bank comes and claim your assets (which were used as collateral) . But what if you do not return that asset to them? The bank then goes to a previously agreed upon institution to force you to give those assets back. China is in this situation but much worse.
Just like the empire of Japan, the US can unilaterally decide to not honor its obligations to China and simply keep the the value china donated from their country in the United states. Unlike a bank, china would have no recourse to collect assets because the international organizations used to honor such international agreements are controlled by the US directly or by US proxy in EU.
To make things even more diabolical, its in the US' best interest for China to overreact the same way Japan did in the 40s. In such a situation, the US and its Allies have the perfect pretext retaliate and canabalize the the monetary wealth and intellectual property of China. There would be many casualties but china's opponents would be net better after the fact. Think of how the allied powers systematically consumed Germany/Italy/and Japanese holdings during the 50s and grew stronger because of it
It is for this reason that china is trapped. There is no endgame for them. Effectively they are bidding time. I truly believe this will be the US end goal for china. Nothing would please all of China's neighbors(india, taiwan, pakistan, japan, philipines, etc) more than joining in on this feast.
But what happens if you dont pay the bank back and honor your debt obligations? Per your agreement, the bank comes and claim your assets (which were used as collateral) . But what if you do not return that asset to them? The bank then goes to a previously agreed upon institution to force you to give those assets back. China is in this situation but much worse.
Just like the empire of Japan, the US can unilaterally decide to not honor its obligations to China and simply keep the the value china donated from their country in the United states. Unlike a bank, china would have no recourse to collect assets because the international organizations used to honor such international agreements are controlled by the US directly or by US proxy in EU.
To make things even more diabolical, its in the US' best interest for China to overreact the same way Japan did in the 40s. In such a situation, the US and its Allies have the perfect pretext retaliate and canabalize the the monetary wealth and intellectual property of China. There would be many casualties but china's opponents would be net better after the fact. Think of how the allied powers systematically consumed Germany/Italy/and Japanese holdings during the 50s and grew stronger because of it
It is for this reason that china is trapped. There is no endgame for them. Effectively they are bidding time. I truly believe this will be the US end goal for china. Nothing would please all of China's neighbors(india, taiwan, pakistan, japan, philipines, etc) more than joining in on this feast.
I hope you can see more clearly what i meant in my earlier comment. Any thoughts on it, breh?
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And why do you think this situation changed? Was it because of good ol' fashioned chinese industrialism, hard work, and reform?
Or perhaps China's position changed becuase the US govt artificially inflated their economy and decided to unilaterally export its manufacturing there?
I think history will prove the latter to be true. Strategically speaking, China is doing no better now than the empire of Japan was doing in the 40s. Since the late 1800s, the US had systematically and artificially propped up japan to be used as an outpost against the expansion of European powers in Asia. The japanese also held US bonds and made great investments oversees during their tenure as a superpower. But how did their situation change?
The US simply pulled the plug. And their nation collapsed in a year's time.
China is in the exact same quandary today. The plug can be pulled overnight. And the nation would collapse like a paper tiger in water.
I apologize here. This last one is a long read, but it would be disrespectful to not give you a compete response. Brevity aint my strong suit
Ironically , the ownership of US debt/assets/infrastructure is a liability to them; not an asset. Why do i say this? Debt transactions in the modern financial system are bound to collateral. Think of a loan on your car. The bank owns your debt because they transferred their money to you. In exchange, they hold collateral in your assets. Typically in the form of a title/deed to your property.
But what happens if you dont pay the bank back and honor your debt obligations? Per your agreement, the bank comes and claim your assets (which were used as collateral) . But what if you do not return that asset to them? The bank then goes to a previously agreed upon institution to force you to give those assets back. China is in this situation but much worse.
Just like the empire of Japan, the US can unilaterally decide to not honor its obligations to China and simply keep the the value china donated from their country in the United states. Unlike a bank, china would have no recourse to collect assets because the international organizations used to honor such international agreements are controlled by the US directly or by US proxy in EU.
To make things even more diabolical, its in the US' best interest for China to overreact the same way Japan did in the 40s. In such a situation, the US and its Allies have the perfect pretext retaliate and canabalize the the monetary wealth and intellectual property of China. There would be many casualties but china's opponents would be net better after the fact. Think of how the allied powers systematically consumed Germany/Italy/and Japanese holdings during the 50s and grew stronger because of it
It is for this reason that china is trapped. There is no endgame for them. Effectively they are bidding time. I truly believe this will be the US end goal for china. Nothing would please all of China's neighbors(india, taiwan, pakistan, japan, philipines, etc) more than joining in on this feast.
I hope you can see more clearly what i meant in my earlier comment. Any thoughts on it, breh?
I see your point and read your Spoiler, but that's not how Sovereign Bonds works. When a country owns your debt, its dangerous because you have to pay that money back and the Debt can actually turn into Equity for the Creditor. China can end up owning a large chunk of the US if America can not pay it back
And the retaliation by the US by "using it's allies in war" is kind of fictitious. Even if the US puts money in it's military and has Allies, Getting into War would decimate the US. Hope you know War isn't cheap right? War cost alot of money, something the US does not have
On top of that, China has backing on a Global Trade front. US can theoretically "pull the plug" on China, but China has formed alliances which was a smart thing. Why do you think they are knee deep in Africa? They also have manufacturing allies all over Asia, which produce alot of goods and services in the Western world. China can easily stop shipping/distributing to the Western world if it wants to, or just raise prices to bankrupt the US. On the flip side, the US has no leverage on China
Another thing you are not mentioning is that the US that decimated Japan in the 60s is not the same US in 2022. US has ironically decimated it's manufacturing and agricultural base. When you outsource your manufacturing and agriculture, you reduce the value of your country. Your wealth becomes artificial because you hold nothing of value that countries want to buy from you. China knee deep in Africa is another tactic to eliminate another trading pipeline that the US also uses. IMO seems like they are determined
Remember when Trump tried to issue that Tarrif on China? It worked for a couple months until it didn't. US can't flex it's muscle anymore and everyone knows it