I think Snowden's snitching has had a far reaching impact that most people think

[ORDER_66]

Good answer.

Laugh it off.

You're an uninformed grown ass man reveling in your ignorance about shyt you should have known about for years.

Where were you when ECHELON was discussed? Room 641A/Mark Klein? Thomas Drake? William Binney? J. Kirk Wiebe? Discussion on the Utah Data farms? The Five Eyes Agreement? Jeffrey Alexander Sterling? Perry Fellwock? Thomas Tamm?

Exactly.

Shut that ass up.

its funny because your going so damn hard for ordinary people to know this extra shyt...



the average citizen dsoesnt know about this shyt, who has time to pay attention to all this secret spy shyt. if its in your face then yeah, but the human memory span is like outta sight outta mind...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

its funny because your going so damn hard for ordinary people to know this extra shyt...



the average citizen dsoesnt know about this shyt, who has time to pay attention to all this secret spy shyt. if its in your face then yeah, but the human memory span is like outta sight outta mind...

Its not my fault.

You're just trying to apologize for the innate laziness of the average citizen.

You probably ain't even know this shyt. So don't be mad.

You need to look in the mirror and ask why you're just now getting to the party.

There is a nuance to snowden that needs to be discussed. Taking domestic spying off the table, he's a goddamn pariah. Period.

National secrets matter. No matter how cynical and passive aggressive of an american you can be. Theres a cost to being on top, and being reckless with information is not something to take lightly.

 

[ORDER_66]

Its not my fault.

You're just trying to apologize for the innate laziness of the average citizen.

You probably ain't even know this shyt. So don't be mad.

You need to look in the mirror and ask why you're just now getting to the party.

There is a nuance to snowden that needs to be discussed. Taking domestic spying off the table, he's a goddamn pariah. Period.

National secrets matter. No matter how cynical and passive aggressive of an american you can be. Theres a cost to being on top, and being reckless with information is not something to take lightly.

again:

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

again:

Pathetic.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He prolly thought he was doing something noble. And maybe he was in the beggining. However, I'm sure he wishes he went about it another way. It would be hard to believe that the russians haven't got all the information he knows. Also, he now is forced to live in Russia. Which I'm sure everyone can see the irony in that.

Russia HAD to have gotten their hands on SOMETHING. nikkas can't tell me otherwise. Apparently he just got hemmed up with travel, but you can't tell me the FSB didn't try and get something out of that deal

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Snowden is a hero in my eyes... so is Bradley (Chelsea?) Manning and any other leaker/whistleblower... They're telling us things that we need to know and impact the globe

Actions don't exist in a vacuum.

Snowden did some "good" and a lot of bad. Lets not play with extremes here.

National information is not something to take lightly.

 

[Crakface]

This clown talkin bout he;d like to come back to the US and put this all behind him

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This clown talkin bout he;d like to come back to the US and put this all behind him

We're cool, right guys?

 

[Broke Wave]

Actions don't exist in a vacuum.

Snowden did some "good" and a lot of bad. Lets not play with extremes here.

National information is not something to take lightly.

In no way did I play with extremes. I simply outlined what I think every progressive believes; that their actions are heroic. I never said there was no negative in what they did, I just gave you a basic point of view that many people of my political ideology share.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

In no way did I play with extremes. I simply outlined what I think every progressive believes; that their actions are heroic. I never said there was no negative in what they did, I just gave you a basic point of view that many people of my political ideology share.

I think SOME of what he did was "good"

I'm fairly liberal myself, but i'm not doing some all or nothing shyt like you are. And fukk what you think "progressives" believe. That shyt doesn't exist. Stop toeing party lines and think for yourself. Cause not every "progressive" agrees that he's just this infallible fairy of benevolence. He's not.

A lot of what he did was not good and I think that warrants some punishment.

I'm not ok with every single low-level soldier or worker thinking they can extract sensitive data and just leak it because of a moral misgiving they have.

Same with Sargent Bergdahl abandoning his post.

 

[Broke Wave]

I think SOME of what he did was "good"

I'm fairly liberal myself, but i'm not doing some all or nothing shyt like you are. And fukk what you think "progressives" believe. That shyt doesn't exist. Stop toeing party lines and think for yourself. Cause not every "progressive" agrees that he's just this infallible fairy of benevolence. He's not.

A lot of what he did was not good and I think that warrants some punishment.

I'm not ok with every single low-level soldier or worker thinking they can extract sensitive data and just leak it because of a moral misgiving they have.

Same with Sargent Bergdahl abandoning his post.

nikka you're not ok with any low level anything doing anything that upsets the status quo. You're not ok with low level burger flippers making 15 an hour, why do you expect me to take your opinion as some kind of barometer of benevolence?

As far as toeing a party line, simply by identifying myself as a progressive I am breaking free from party lines. i didn't say Democrat or New Democrat or Liberal or PC or Green or Republican. I simply told you what people from my part of the ideological spectrum think. You're welcome to ask anybody else who you think is on my side politically and see where they land. It's simply a matter of fact.

You're fairly liberal according to you, but in relation to me and others here you are a conservative authoritarian who is very trusting of power and institutions. That's not an insult but definitely a good representation of the facts.

Back to the issue, as far as a punishment, Daniel Ellesberg literally ripped out a drawer from the Pentagon and published it, and it was called the Pentagon Papers. Not a damn thing happened to him except that he was charged and he walked the streets on bail. Obviously 40 years later, America is not even close to the same place so I don't blame Snowden for running and hiding. After all, they are ordering the deaths of American citizens without a trial these days.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

nikka you're not ok with any low level anything doing anything that upsets the status quo. You're not ok with low level burger flippers making 15 an hour, why do you expect me to take your opinion as some kind of barometer of benevolence?

1. I dont think low skilled labor mandates a wage floor that high. cause most people DONT make minimum wage, even in fast food.
2. I'm cool with upsetting the status quo on a vast number of issues. But if you can't acknowledge that snowden DID do some traitorous shyt in the mix of what he claims to be a moral imperative, then I'm done with you.

As far as toeing a party line, simply by identifying myself as a progressive I am breaking free from party lines.

Progressivism has nothing to do with national allegiance. Try again.

Actions don't exist in an a vacuum and snowden did hurt the legitimacy of the USA to some extent.

i didn't say Democrat or New Democrat or Liberal or PC or Green or Republican. I simply told you what people from my part of the ideological spectrum think. You're welcome to ask anybody else who you think is on my side politically and see where they land. It's simply a matter of fact.

Its not a fact.

Snowden can be many things at once and your view does not address this. Whats progressive about what he did OUTSIDE OF DOMESTIC SPYING REVELATIONS?

I'll wait.

You're fairly liberal according to you, but in relation to me and others here you are a conservative authoritarian who is very trusting of power and institutions. That's not an insult but definitely a good representation of the facts.

I support defending national security. I'm a progressive AT HOME, but that shyt stops in international waters. We're not on some global government shyt, so get that bullshyt out of your mind.

Back to the issue, as far as a punishment, Daniel Ellesberg literally ripped out a drawer from the Pentagon and published it, and it was called the Pentagon Papers.

Different times and circumstances. Ellsberg retracted names, targeted his leaks, and did not dump vast amounts of information.

ALSO, the ONLY reason Ellsberg wasn't thrown under the jail was because of a mistrial. DO YOUR RESEARCH. Had the government not fukked the case up, he'd still be in jail. Word to Aldrich Ames

Not a damn thing happened to him except that he was charged and he walked the streets on bail. Obviously 40 years later, America is not even close to the same place so I don't blame Snowden for running and hiding. After all, they are ordering the deaths of American citizens without a trial these days.

Are you referring to Al-Awalaki? If so, good. fukk that guy.

I'm tired of using him as an example of "extrajudicial killing" as if that was a terribly hard decision to make. Not to mention him being tried in-absentia in the country he was residing in.

 

[Broke Wave]

1. I dont think low skilled labor mandates a wage floor that high. cause most people DONT make minimum wage, even in fast food.
2. I'm cool with upsetting the status quo on a vast number of issues. But if you can't acknowledge that snowden DID do some traitorous shyt in the mix of what he claims to be a moral imperative, then I'm done with you.

Progressivism has nothing to do with national allegiance. Try again.

Actions don't exist in an a vacuum and snowden did hurt the legitimacy of the USA to some extent.

Its not a fact.

Snowden can be many things at once and your view does not address this. Whats progressive about what he did OUTSIDE OF DOMESTIC SPYING REVELATIONS?

I'll wait.

I support defending national security. I'm a progressive AT HOME, but that shyt stops in international waters. We're not on some global government shyt, so get that bullshyt out of your mind.

Different times and circumstances. Ellsberg retracted names, targeted his leaks, and did not dump vast amounts of information.

ALSO, the ONLY reason Ellsberg wasn't thrown under the jail was because of a mistrial. DO YOUR RESEARCH. Had the government not fukked the case up, he'd still be in jail. Word to Aldrich Ames


Are you referring to Al-Awalaki? If so, good. fukk that guy.

I'm tired of using him as an example of "extrajudicial killing" as if that was a terribly hard decision to make. Not to mention him being tried in-absentia in the country he was residing in.

Okay I'm not going to do the picking out pieces and quoting thing because I don't know how to so I'll try and keep this short and address all your main points.

For starters, I'm not trying to have that discussion about wages, I just brought it up to illustrate to you that I do not believe you are a progressive at all and are in fact what I described you as : a conservative authoritarian. You haven't broken the status quo in any post I've ever seen so I am inclined to say that. Anyway you said you would be done with me if I didn't admit that Snowden did some "traitorous shyt" which I do not think he did in the least. The people who spy on you and break your constitutional rights are the traitors, Snowden refused to be part of something unconstitutional and frankly totalitarian.

You say fukk that guy to Al Awlaki who was just like you an American citizen. The only difference between you and him was that he was in Yemen making youtube videos. He was executed without a trial and subsequently his 16 year old innocent son was also droned. I can't for the life of me see how you could defend this clear violation of the constitution and call yourself a progressive. The problem with this extra realist narrowminded thinking of extra aggressive foriegn policy is that it assumes that powerless people are also stupid. They are going to be more and more antagonized the more people like you are in power and the less actual power we will have. Look at Iraq as a prime example, where we could have had total dominance over Saddam with a few carrots, we in the West now have literally zero control over the worlds second largest oil reserves because some neo-con dikkheads thought brown was synonymous with the word simple.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

WHY IS NO ONE DISCUSSING THESE THINGS SNOWDEN DID?

Here’s just a partial list of Snowden’s leaks that have little or nothing to do with domestic surveillance of Americans:

• The classified portions of the U.S. intelligence budget, detailing how much we spend and where on efforts to spy on terror groups and foreign states, don’t deal with Americans’ privacy. This leak revealed the intelligence community’s self-assessment in 50 major areas of counterterrorism, and that “blank spots include questions about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear components when they are being transported, the capabilities of China’s next-generation fighter aircraft, and how Russia’s government leaders are likely to respond to ‘potentially destabilizing events in Moscow, such as large protests and terrorist attacks.’” The Pakistani, Chinese, and Russian intelligence agencies surely appreciate the status report.

• Our cyber-warfare capabilities and targets don’t deal with Americans’ privacy. The revelation that the U.S. launched 231 cyber-attacks against “top-priority targets, which former officials say includes adversaries such as Iran, Russia, China and North Korea and activities such as nuclear proliferation” in 2011, has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

• The extent and methods of our spying on China have nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

• British surveillance of South African and Turkish diplomats has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy.

• The NSA’s successful interceptions of communications of Russian president Dimitri Medvedev has nothing to do with Americans’ privacy. This is not a scandal; it is literallythe NSA’s job, and now the Russians have a better idea of what messages were intercepted and when.

• Revealing NSA intercepts and CIA stations in Latin America — again, nothing to do with U.S. citizens.

• Revealing a U.K. secret Internet-monitoring station in the Middle East — nothing to do with U.S. citizens.

• The extent and range of NSA communications monitoring in India . . .

• The fact that the United States has “ramped up its surveillance of Pakistan’s nuclear arms” and has “previously undisclosed concerns about biological and chemical sites there,” and details of “efforts to assess the loyalties of counterterrorism sources recruited by the CIA” . . .

• U.S. spying on Al-Jazeera’s internal communication system . . .

. . . what we know about al-Qaeda efforts to hack our drones . . .

. . . the NSA’s ability to intercept the e-mail of al-Qaeda operative Hassan Ghul . . .

. . . the NSA’s ability to read the e-mail of the Mexican president . . .

. . . U.S. electronic intercepts of communications to French consulates and embassies in New York and Washington . . .

. . . the existence of NSA surveillance teams in 80 U.S. embassies around the globe . . .

. . . NSA spying on OPEC . . .

. . . NSA collecting data on the porn habits of Muslim extremist leaders in order to discredit them . . .

. . . none of these stories have much of a tie to Americans’ privacy.

The all-or-nothing terms of the Snowden discussion are persistent and baffling, and they obscure the truth. The NSA’s willingness to vacuum up and store the communications of ordinary Americans — with no tie to terror, crime, or foreign governments at all, obliterating any remaining meaning of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution — deserves every bit of public outrage and rebuke. But that doesn’t necessarily mean Snowden is the good guy in the story. This story probably doesn’t have a good g

I was going to post some of these but....

@ everybody ignoring this.

Snowden KNEW he fukked up that's why he left the country. And only he knows what other information he copied that we don't know about.

 

[Crakface]

Okay I'm not going to do the picking out pieces and quoting thing because I don't know how to so I'll try and keep this short and address all your main points.

For starters, I'm not trying to have that discussion about wages, I just brought it up to illustrate to you that I do not believe you are a progressive at all and are in fact what I described you as : a conservative authoritarian. You haven't broken the status quo in any post I've ever seen so I am inclined to say that. Anyway you said you would be done with me if I didn't admit that Snowden did some "traitorous shyt" which I do not think he did in the least. The people who spy on you and break your constitutional rights are the traitors, Snowden refused to be part of something unconstitutional and frankly totalitarian.

You say fukk that guy to Al Awlaki who was just like you an American citizen. The only difference between you and him was that he was in Yemen making youtube videos. He was executed without a trial and subsequently his 16 year old innocent son was also droned. I can't for the life of me see how you could defend this clear violation of the constitution and call yourself a progressive. The problem with this extra realist narrowminded thinking of extra aggressive foriegn policy is that it assumes that powerless people are also stupid. They are going to be more and more antagonized the more people like you are in power and the less actual power we will have. Look at Iraq as a prime example, where we could have had total dominance over Saddam with a few carrots, we in the West now have literally zero control over the worlds second largest oil reserves because some neo-con dikkheads thought brown was synonymous with the word simple.

I got you napoleon. It's gonna be ok
You fought hard son.