I told y'all muh'fukkas that Pop's being left behind.....

[yseJ]

@Gil Scott-Heroin youre my dude, but now you're just being petty, especially since you said it had nothing to do with losses or wins/ yet you are upping the thread after a loss (a game 7 one at that)

cmon man

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Would you have made this thread if they won the series is the question? Through regular season and playoffs they played the offensive juggernaut three point shooting Nuggets to damn near a draw

Belinelli, Mills, Bertans, Forbes, Gay shoot threes

DeRozan and Aldridge are midrange nikkas and don’t. Spurs managed to be 7th in offensive rating and they were 1st in 3PT% because they took efficient ones

I've already debunked this, and copied and pasted the evidence multiple times already. I don't know why you're replying with shyt that doesn't have any value as a counterpoint. The Rockets have had one of the highest offensive ratings, not only for the past half a decade, but some that rank as the best of the modern era, but we all know the flaws of the scheme, the Spurs' is no different. This is why referencing their offensive rating without the proper context, is meaningless here.

 

[Miggs]

He can still evolve...

It's only his 1st year here..

He definitely needs a 3point shot tho..

Hes been in the league 10 years,he istn gonna turn into something else now,hes gonna be 30 next season..he is what he is...

He was a 30 % 3 point shooter last season on minimal attempts thats his ceiling hes never going to be a prolific 3 point shooter,why ppl think otherwise is crazy...

Again when a player is 10 years in they dont suddenly become different players,when Demar's athleticism is gone his career will end shortly after cuz he shooting and skills wont keep him around long after like some players....Rashard Lewis/Antonio McDyess were able to hang on after there knees exploded because they could shoot Demar doesnt have that in his game....The fact is his mechanics on his shot are bad that he wont ever improve esp from distance,hes never fixed that sling shot motion he has....thats why he cant shoot 3s..he doesnt have a fluid follow thru its a slinging motion....

 

[boskey]

lol just noticed the typo in the thread title “I’ll told ya’ll”

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin youre my dude, but now you're just being petty, especially since you said it had nothing to do with losses or wins/ yet you are upping the thread after a loss (a game 7 one at that)

cmon man

You damn right I'm being petty. I mean, it's only right that I act in an equal manner to what my initial thoughts were received as?



Again, this wasn't about winning/losing as results, it was about the functionality of the Spurs offense. If 29 teams identify that you're going to have a more effective offense shooting more 3s than long 2s, and there's one team that doesn't and opts to take more long 2s than 3, you don't think that team isn't being "left behind"?

This is essentially what we have here with the Spurs.

 

[Jesus]

nikka is a fukking loser with too much time on his hands

 

[Bilz]

Thread was made when the Spurs were near the bottom of the west. It was ignored all season while they had one of the best records in the league after this thread was made and they ended up near 50 wins like usual, and now we are ridiculously discussing it again after they lost in 7 even though I think most Spurs fans didn't expect big things from this team. This shyt is a dumpster fire.

 

[Cerebral Labyrinth]

Again, this wasn't about winning/losing as results, it was about the functionality of the Spurs offense.

You've said this a lot since the re-up, but if this was the case then there would have been no reason for you to go ghost from late 2018 til now if it was about their offense, and not about how successful they were in the regular season accumulating wins.

It's obvious you have good points but you don't seem to grasp the value of audience reception. When you pick and choose your spots and post like you're in a vacuum, any value to your statements is gone and everyone pointing this out has legitimate reason to.

 

[Rigby.]

This nikka went ghost for a half a year and has the nerve to pop shyt

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Thread was made when the Spurs were near the bottom of the west. It was ignored all season while they had one of the best records in the league after this thread was made and they ended up near 50 wins like usual, and now we are ridiculously discussing it again after they lost in 7 even though I think most Spurs fans didn't expect big things from this team. This shyt is a dumpster fire.

Again, this wasn't about winning/losing as results, it was about the functionality of the Spurs offense. If 29 teams identify that you're going to have a more effective offense shooting more 3s than long 2s, and there's one team that doesn't and opts to take more long 2s than 3, you don't think that team isn't being "left behind"?

This is essentially what we have here with the Spurs.

Spacing heat map rankings:

1. Bucks
2. Celtics
3. Warriors
4. Rockets
5. Hawks

26. Spurs

San Antonio were the 26th-ranked team during the regular season when it came to spacing, but if you were to compare their starters v. starters from the across the league, not only would they have ranked dead-last, but the margin between them and the second-worst team was greater than the 1st and the 20th-ranked starters.

Purely from a strategical standpoint, the Spurs' starters offense operated on a level that would've befitted play during the 1990s - light years behind today's league.

Shot generation v. defender rankings

1. Bucks
2. Celtics
3. Hawks
4. Nets
5. Jazz

29. Spurs

San Antonio were the 29th-ranked team during the regular season when it came to generation of shots, reiterating their inability to generate good* shots [good = uncontested and defense out of position], reflected by their overreliance on activity in the midrange, in a climate where defenses are typically stretched beyond the arc, which made it easier for their opposition to defend their offense (as opposition defenses usually are covering more ground and making more defensive adjustments against teams who shoot higher volume 3s - opposition defenses traveled less distance on defense against the Spurs than any other team during the regular season).

Basically, SA's pro tem offense was based on their players' talent and ability to generate points in ISO; off-balance/non-set, contested shots; heavy traffic; less space to work in - in spite of their offensive scheme which was holding them back (lack of spacing and lack of 'good' shot creation). This came to a head during the regular season in the games when they shot less than league-average on contested shots, where they ranked 24th on offense (this is to put into perspective how detrimental their offensive strategy was when they weren't making contested shots - they ranked top-5 in contested shot makes during the regular season, and #3 during the first round - contrary to popular belief that the Spurs lack the talent/personnel to win, they were actually winning/in position to win due to their players' ability to make tough shots, not their scheme/game-plan).

The cutting off their nose to spite their face act of trying to match 33% 3-pt efficiency (which is below league-average as it is) through shooting 50% on midrange shots, not only put themselves at an efficiency disadvantage, but they made an improbable task even more improbable by swimming against the tide trying to get those type of shots off in the first place.

TL;DR - Spurs' offensive scheme is completely outdated; Pop got left behind because he and the coaching staff failed to adjust to the 3-pt climate, and relied too heavily on mid post-ups, DD and midrange spots; the ability of the Spurs' players was the main reason that they were in position to win games, in spite of the coaching.

 

[EBK String]

Pop went 7 games with the 2nd seed in the West with Demar Defrozen and Lamercus Aldridge and this ass clown ups a thread he has been avoiding since the Spurs went on a run and made the playoffs.

 

[Jesus]

fakkit thinks re-posting his shyt no one will read makes him right, lolz.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You've said this a lot since the re-up, but if this was the case then there would have been no reason for you to go ghost from late 2018 til now if it was about their offense, and not about how successful they were in the regular season accumulating wins.

As I said, see bold:

Truth be told, I honestly wasn't going to post again. Ever. I made my intention to make my last post around late December last year. There's nothing redeeming about this place anymore, and hasn't been for some time; most of the posters that did genuinely discuss the game and get off original thoughts are long gone, and like them, proper content/discourse has long gone too.

And yes, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to post one last time once the Spurs lost, because it was never about them winning/losing in the first place, but y'all simplified my argument to that, so I followed suit just to have the last [petty] laugh.

It's obvious you have good points but you don't seem to grasp the value of audience reception. When you pick and choose your spots and post like you're in a vacuum, any value to your statements is gone and everyone pointing this out has legitimate reason to.

I don't care for "audience reception", because most folks on here don't know what they're talking about, and completely refuse to acknowledge the merits of today's game because they're stuck in the past, which is half the reason why this thread wasn't received well when I initially made it (the other half reason is because certain folks go against everything I say, regardless). I've made 100s and 100s of posts defending my stance on this, posting during wins, losses and all in between. I don't see how posting 100s of more posts stating the same thing would give my position any more value. Especially since folks didn't value my argument for what it was in the first place, why should I be the one to play fair when others didn't in the first place?

 

[Bilz]

The Hawks are listed near the top of these stats you're posting. And anti analytics guy can make an equally dumb argument in that direction. I don't know why blaming Pop for the Spurs roster is so important to you but just stop

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Hawks are listed near the top of these stats you're posting. And anti analytics guy can make an equally dumb argument in that direction. I don't know why blaming Pop for the Spurs roster is so important to you but just stop

I'm blaming him for their flawed offensive system which is counterproductive to the current climate. It's less important to me, and more me laughing at those who were tagging me all throughout the season.

What do the Hawks have to do with this? They were a team with a lack of talent and experience who maximized the abilities of their personnel through good shot creation and spacing - the very opposite of what the Spurs were doing.