"i wish we could get the 90's back" discussion

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In a nutshell, no, I dont want the 90s back

They were then and this is now. Its 20 yrs later.

What I do want is some kind of progression in the artform and continuity of the artform's narrative

U look at a nikka like Drake, Wayne, Big Sean, they are all worse than the "hot" rappers of 10, 15, 20 years ago, be it as far as subject matter, technical depth, whatever. As pieces of music just to dance to or look at through the lens of Top 40 value, they are better for sure, but within the context of hip hop, no.

At the same time though, again, I think knee jerk biting of the 90s under the guise of "bringing it back" (like Joey Badazz) is no better. 90s were about originality and creativity first, with all the image shyt later. nikkas think doing videos in fatigues and rapping like the Fu Schnickens over boom bap beats = the 90s... showing how surface level their understanding is of what made the era great.

To be fair though, I think we might have moved past the opportunity of another great era. Rap from the 90s was borne out of conditions I hope blacks and Latinos never have to face again. The internet has connected people at a level that somewhat blunts the value of expression through rap. As I have said many times before, the barriers to rap that technology knocked down have flooded the market, enabling anyone, not just the select few folks who could get someone to financially vouch for their studio time, to make music- which has prompted the creation of sites like DatPiff, which have more music uploaded than one can listen to in a lifetime. So the 2013 Tupac might be on there, but just be lost in the sauce.

You look at a lot of nikkas rapping now, it's like they are just going through the motions. Maybe everything that could/should be done in rap has been done. We have ~10 years of really, really good music to live on... I'm OK.
 

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I'm an old head. I lived thru and fukking loved the 90's. I look back at it with nostalgia now because it was the era of substance and quality. It was not only limited to rap music but society and entertainment in general. Like others have mentioned, there was some wack shyt coming out back then too, but that was the minority. It's the complete opposite now. Don't get me wrong. I listen to new shyt too. But the new shyt seems sterile in comparison to the 90's. It's been nothing but hollow rhymes and production with little or no soul. And actually, I want to expand on the definition of "era" a lil bit since I am :flabbynsick:. I'll take the hip-hop released between '84 - 97 over ANYTHING made today. When MC'ing was becoming an artform. Somehow that shyt really got sidetracked though. I guarantee you that if you took the top 10 dudes of today and took them back to say '93, 8 out of 10 of them would be looked at as straight wack. And they would've been called out on it. NOW, people are fukking inundated in wackness. It's the fukking norm. And people blindly accept it. It's a shame too. I am thankful that I got to experience the propagation of hip-hop before corporate america took it over and ruined it for the most part.
If I ever got a major sum of money, I would try to start a record label that caters to that 90's music crowd. Golden Era Records or some shyt. Make :krs: the head talent scout and make moves like LOUD did back in the day. Sign those 90's artist who might be struggling now, as well as young MC's who have been educated in the art of rap and revitalize the artistry and the quality of hip-hop as a whole. There is a HUGE audience out there who would eat that shyt up.
 
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I'm an old head. I lived thru and fukking loved the 90's. I look back at it with nostalgia now because it was the era of substance and quality. It was not only limited to rap music but society and entertainment in general. Like others have mentioned, there was some wack shyt coming out back then too, but that was the minority. It's the complete opposite now. Don't get me wrong. I listen to new shyt too. But the new shyt seems sterile in comparison to the 90's. It's been nothing but hollow rhymes and production with little or no soul. And actually, I want to expand on the definition of "era" a lil bit since I am :flabbynsick:. I'll take the hip-hop released between '84 - 97 over ANYTHING made today. When MC'ing was becoming an artform. Somehow that shyt really got sidetracked though. I guarantee you that if you took the top 10 dudes of today and took them back to say '93, 8 out of 10 of them would be looked at as straight wack. And they would've been called out on it. NOW, people are fukking inundated in wackness. It's the fukking norm. And people blindly accept it. It's a shame too. I am thankful that I got to experience the propagation of hip-hop before corporate america took it over and ruined it for the most part.
If I ever got a major sum of money, I would try to start a record label that caters to that 90's music crowd. Golden Era Records or some shyt. Make :krs: the head talent scout and make moves like LOUD did back in the day. Sign those 90's artist who might be struggling now, as well as young MC's who have been educated in the art of rap and revitalize the artistry and the quality of hip-hop as a whole. There is a HUGE audience out there who would eat that shyt up.

man, that shyt sound boring. your label would suck and would pander to 14 year old white kids who think they know real hip hop through youtube.
 

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I'm an old head. I lived thru and fukking loved the 90's. I look back at it with nostalgia now because it was the era of substance and quality. It was not only limited to rap music but society and entertainment in general. Like others have mentioned, there was some wack shyt coming out back then too, but that was the minority. It's the complete opposite now. Don't get me wrong. I listen to new shyt too. But the new shyt seems sterile in comparison to the 90's. It's been nothing but hollow rhymes and production with little or no soul. And actually, I want to expand on the definition of "era" a lil bit since I am :flabbynsick:. I'll take the hip-hop released between '84 - 97 over ANYTHING made today. When MC'ing was becoming an artform. Somehow that shyt really got sidetracked though. I guarantee you that if you took the top 10 dudes of today and took them back to say '93, 8 out of 10 of them would be looked at as straight wack. And they would've been called out on it. NOW, people are fukking inundated in wackness. It's the fukking norm. And people blindly accept it. It's a shame too. I am thankful that I got to experience the propagation of hip-hop before corporate america took it over and ruined it for the most part.
If I ever got a major sum of money, I would try to start a record label that caters to that 90's music crowd. Golden Era Records or some shyt. Make :krs: the head talent scout and make moves like LOUD did back in the day. Sign those 90's artist who might be struggling now, as well as young MC's who have been educated in the art of rap and revitalize the artistry and the quality of hip-hop as a whole. There is a HUGE audience out there who would eat that shyt up.
 

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and the hood is being completely phased out of American culture. Harlem looking like San Fransisco :wtf:


There's a good and a bad to this.

On one hand, gentrification fukking sucks because you lose all identity. On the other hand, the quality of life (if you can afford it) does improve, and THAT is a good thing. The problem is that it's difficult to find misery in prosperity, and the 90s fed off misery so well. Phasing the hood out (or at least the real crappy elements of it) is supposed to be a good thing, but it doesn't work well in hip-hop when all the things you're supposed to fight against and either rise above or use to your advantage aren't there.

I'll probably respond to a lot of these things cuz I think this is a really good ass thread. Props to the threadstarter. We need more threads that filter out all the bullshyt and just provide real meaningful discussion anyway.
 

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Its not about wanting the 90s back. Its about carrying out the mentality those dudes had because that was truly a Dont Give a fukk era . Cats didn't care if white people bought the records or cared to get that Taylor Swift audience like these dudes now. Long as the hood kept supporting, It was all they wanted and needed. If rappers had issues, They squared off on wax instead of twitter, If they wanted to say something then they stood their ground and defended it.

The hood doesn't support shyt, and the fact is, whether it's the hood, backpackers, whatever demo it is, props don't pay bills. Hood love carrying your career turned out to be the most laughable theory ever. A lot of those rappers either had to learn a new trade or realize that their dream didn't get them out the hood.
 

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hiphop is the culture of the impoverished.

I didn't read anything else you've posted, but I'm glad you posted this.

If hip-hop is the culture of the impoverished, what the hell will you do when that culture gets its shyt together?

Look at NYC. The last 20 years or so, the mission has been to make sure what people saw in the 60's 70's and 80's you'd never see that again, not in NY. You saw The Message video. That video was so real because that's how NYC was. It was that bad, that hopeless. Life captured that, and we romanticize it because it's 2013 and we can talk about it in past tense. The taboo of it was so cool. Now, 2013 NYC and everything's improving. It's being gentrified. New buildings, new demos, damn near the rebuilding of neighborhoods. That's something that (to a degree because everyone in TLR knows how I feel about NYC gentrification) should be viewed as positive. But the serious rap was birthed out of commenting on misery. If you see it less and less, how can my rap reflect misery? That's what we're seeing in many places. The spots that are lagging behind, those are the places that are seeing these charismatic figures come up and make something of themselves.

The 90's was a fun time, but there are elements of it that have me glad that it's over. A lot of that overly aggressive atmosphere wasn't conducive to improving shyt around you.
 

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Did you really just say video shows?

For everyone outside of the tri-state there was just MTV.

Please don't pretend that you guys were into N2Deep in the 90s on the eastcoast and artists like Xzibit. Like I said, there was plenty out here that no one listened to out there. Im sure there are some rare exceptions but certainly not the norm. There wasn't an easy way to get music to others across the country.
Wtf, in the bay, we had the box, bet, we had the local tv station that played videos (cmc), and we had soul beat (another local video channel)
 

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The hood doesn't support shyt, and the fact is, whether it's the hood, backpackers, whatever demo it is, props don't pay bills. Hood love carrying your career turned out to be the most laughable theory ever. A lot of those rappers either had to learn a new trade or realize that their dream didn't get them out the hood.

"Got stopped in the mall the other day, heard a call from the other way
I just came from - some nicca was sayin' some'n.
'You member me from school' naw, not really
but he kept smiling like a clown, facial expression lookin' silly.
He kept askin' me: 'what kinda car you drive? I know y'all paid
I know you got beaucoups of hoes off them songs y'all done made...'
I replied that I had been goin' through the same thang that he has
sure - I got mo' fans than the average man, but not enough loot to last
me 'til the end of the week. I live by the beat like you live check to check.
If it don't move your feet then I don't eat, so we like neck and neck.
Man we done come a long way like them slim ass cigarettes
from Virgina - it ain't gon' stop, we just gonna continia..."
 

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Snoop most certainly was not getting radio spins when he first came out all over the country. Major city? Sure. Coast to coast? Nope. You wouldn't have remembered any waus considering you were what, 6 or 7 years old when Doggystyle came out?

MC Hammer and Wu Tang did not co exist in 92-93 because Hammer was finito after 91. 36 Chambers didn't even come out till the end of 93 and most of the country did not hear those records until well after that.

Drake is a top rapper whether you want to admit it or not. The extra stuff you are adding I swear makes it sound more like you want to be perceived as an old head for some kind of Hip Hop props than it does who truly just loves the 90s.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumps_and_a_Bump

1993-1994 bruh.....
 

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I didn't read anything else you've posted, but I'm glad you posted this.

If hip-hop is the culture of the impoverished, what the hell will you do when that culture gets its shyt together?

Look at NYC. The last 20 years or so, the mission has been to make sure what people saw in the 60's 70's and 80's you'd never see that again, not in NY. You saw The Message video. That video was so real because that's how NYC was. It was that bad, that hopeless. Life captured that, and we romanticize it because it's 2013 and we can talk about it in past tense. The taboo of it was so cool. Now, 2013 NYC and everything's improving. It's being gentrified. New buildings, new demos, damn near the rebuilding of neighborhoods. That's something that (to a degree because everyone in TLR knows how I feel about NYC gentrification) should be viewed as positive. But the serious rap was birthed out of commenting on misery. If you see it less and less, how can my rap reflect misery? That's what we're seeing in many places. The spots that are lagging behind, those are the places that are seeing these charismatic figures come up and make something of themselves.

The 90's was a fun time, but there are elements of it that have me glad that it's over. A lot of that overly aggressive atmosphere wasn't conducive to improving shyt around you.



misery will always be around cause it is relative.

If i'm a 100-some thousand-aire and everyone around me is a millionaire i'm struggling.
 

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First of all we were talking about 92-93 and you put a link up to a song from 94.

And Uh bruh, we were talking about being popular at the same time. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE, was fukking with that horrible track or video. That was right before he tried to re-invent himself as 'The General' and went to Deathrow...where not even Deathrow's own employees respected him.

Again, Hammer was done before Wu Tang got popular. Anyone who is actually old enough to really remember the 90s will tell you that. Don't need Wikipedia entries.
 
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