"i wish we could get the 90's back" discussion

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I'm not sure what you're getting at about Snoop. I'm not claiming he was getting play on adult contemporary stations in Boise, but any urban station nationwide, and video show nationwide, he was on it from Deep Cover on. If you were following him before he hooked up with Dre that's another thing - but to clarify - I'm talking about. Whatever the extent of the nationwide market was for hip hop at the time, Snoop was there.

No he wasn't

You act like Snoop blew up instantly, when he didn't. It wasn't until The Chronic came out that he blew up every where thanks to the G Thang video. The single it self didn't come out till 6 months later. His first apperance on MTV most people just thought of him as that guy who kept his head down next to Dr Dre. Please don't act like the whole country was like 'Snoop Dogg is next' when even after he was huge there were people in New York who didn't fukk with him. The now infamous 'New York aint got no love for Snoop Dogg' line is still funny to this day.

Not sure where you said just mainstream, not sure exactly how you're defining mainstream either. All those artists got write ups in the hip hop publications, videos played on BET, and Yo, radio play on the hip hop mix shows. They may not have been going double platinum, but they definitely were recognizable names in the hip hop community. Touring nationwide also.

Mainstream like everyone knew who they were. If you went to Texas you would know who Jay-z is. New York, LA, Boise Idaho, Seattle Washington, WHEREVER. That is mainstream. Common wasn't even popular in LA. Del was popular on the Westcoast but to act like he was a force to be fukked with on the Eastcoast, he wasn't. I remember when I lived with family in New Jersey in 95 there was a ton of artists they didn't even know about that we were really into out here. There was no quick way to share music at the time with that much distance.

You are still conflating existence with acceptance. I asked you a few posts back if you thought Marky Mark, Tupac and some other group (Tribe I think) were held in the same regard by the hip hop community. We need an answer for that. It's not about me picki g and choosing either, I think you're one of the few people in here claiming Marky Mark was a legit accepted hip hop artist. That's just how it was. Maybe you were too young to be cognizant of such a nuanced distinction.

Breh stop with the acceptance because you are not out polling people on any of this. You can't cry about Hip Hop now because of Soulja Boy but then act like Marky Mark didn't exist. It doesn't work like that. You are having a selective memory, which is making the 90s flawless, and then went it gets pointed out you are using this really corny excuse like 'oh he wasn't accepted' Neither was soulja boy but he still counts. Riff Raff no one takes serious but you nostalgic muhfukkas bring him up.

Again, it is a nuanced point. I agree that the things rappers rapped about in the 90s weren't 100% accurate, but it did reflect a certain reality and was believable. Rick Ross being BFFs with the real Noriega is just

They were just as corny and fake. They just didn't get exposed and the information spreading around as freely. Rappers used to get robbed just the same but you never heard about it like that.

Nas called himself escobar but didn't sell any drugs, at all.

Jadakiss had to weight coke that they used to weigh the whales with....except that NEVER happened.

KRS did what he did because he felt they weren't real and not representing right. He was literally policing the music.

No, he wanted to get on stage and rock the mic. The guys ego was massive at the time.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Snoop most certainly was not getting radio spins when he first came out all over the country. Major city? Sure. Coast to coast? Nope. You wouldn't have remembered any waus considering you were what, 6 or 7 years old when Doggystyle came out?

MC Hammer and Wu Tang did not co exist in 92-93 because Hammer was finito after 91. 36 Chambers didn't even come out till the end of 93 and most of the country did not hear those records until well after that.

Drake is a top rapper whether you want to admit it or not. The extra stuff you are adding I swear makes it sound more like you want to be perceived as an old head for some kind of Hip Hop props than it does who truly just loves the 90s.

Dude, most rappers aren't getting coast to coast spin now, hip hop is an urban formate which gets played in major cities and/or metro areas. Snoop was on the radio crazy in the markets that played hip hop, snoop is one of the few rappers that was synonymous with the scary "gangsta rap" that was sweeping the nation, he's one of the few names everyone knew. And how are you revising history, damn near every city had an urban radio station playing rap music by 92. Snoop was hot out the gate from deep cover, why you think his debut sold like that. Now if you're talking some street mixtape shyt before deep cover, then let's stop the hyperbole, no rappers were hot nationwide before their debut back then

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Dude, most rappers aren't getting coast to coast spin now, hip hop is an urban formate which gets played in major cities and/or metro areas. Snoop was on the radio crazy in the markets that played hip hop, snoop is one of the few rappers that was synonymous with the scary "gangsta rap" that was sweeping the nation, he's one of the few names everyone knew. And how are you revising history, damn near every city had an urban radio station playing rap music by 92. Snoop was hot out the gate from deep cover, why you think his debut sold like that. Now if you're talking some street mixtape shyt before deep cover, then let's stop the hyperbole, no rappers were hot nationwide before their debut back then

Sure they are because other formats exist such as XM radio and pandora. Not to mention so many radio stations how are owned by the same few corporations what is getting spun on one station most certainly translates to a lot of others. Don't believe me, go look up playlists between the company that owns LA power106 and NYC Power105.

Deep cover came out on a Soundtrack to a movie that did just okay in the box office so for you to act like as soon as that record came out all these stations were going nuts, especially when police violence was a big deal, you are mistaken. The record was very controversial when it was heard. Also, Soundtrack tracks were not furnished to radio like as singles. The first time the song got played was on a mix show, later at night. Like I said, we have on the MTV beach house AFTER deep cover dropped and people didn't know who he was. He barely could keep his head up.

His debut sold like that because The Chronic was the biggest selling album to date before Doggystyle dropped. Sounds to me like you are missing gaps in your information here. He didn't sell because of Deep Cover lol

 

[Bxblaze]

anybody can be a rapper now that's the problem in my opinion real talk hip hop is good but these rappers r over exaggerated with these rhymes u cant believe it... 90's rappers were more believable... I don't wish 90s hip hop to return like I said hip hop is good but a lot of bs gets accepted now into the industry...

 

[Yoda]

There is nuffin mindblowing about underground music, now.
there is no evolution in actual skill.
It is either outdated van full of Pakistan weirdness, to atmosphere's overcast.
Or, 2003 biter lyricism of fiddy mixed with twista/bone/fellowship.

None of these nikkas in general rap with any advanced technical skill.
It is the same two-three syllable rap like when fiddy blew up the mixtape scene.
It is a replayed rerun of everyone rapping like melle Mel, except instead of melle mel.
They picked slug, fiddy, twista/bone/fellowship...


Art Barr

well your an old fart whos close to death so of course hip hop isnt dope to you now. hip hop is for the youth,bytch.

 

[50CentStan]

95-2005 were the GOAT years

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Sure they are because other formats exist such as XM radio and pandora. Not to mention so many radio stations how are owned by the same few corporations what is getting spun on one station most certainly translates to a lot of others. Don't believe me, go look up playlists between the company that owns LA power106 and NYC Power105.

Deep cover came out on a Soundtrack to a movie that did just okay in the box office so for you to act like as soon as that record came out all these stations were going nuts, especially when police violence was a big deal, you are mistaken. The record was very controversial when it was heard. Also, Soundtrack tracks were not furnished to radio like as singles. The first time the song got played was on a mix show, later at night. Like I said, we have on the MTV beach house AFTER deep cover dropped and people didn't know who he was. He barely could keep his head up.

His debut sold like that because The Chronic was the biggest selling album to date before Doggystyle dropped. Sounds to me like you are missing gaps in your information here. He didn't sell because of Deep Cover lol

deep cover isn't the only reason, but deep cover and g thang were the first songs the national public heard him on, those created buzz.

As to your first paragrpah, all of that is irrelevant to the radio conversation of 92/93. Lastly, soundtracks were huge in the 90's and were known for spinning songs way bigger than the movie, most hood/low budget movies were outshined by their soundtrack - high school high, dangerous minds, above the rim, booty call, how to be a player, etc.

 

[Art Barr]

well your an old fart whos close to death so of course hip hop isnt dope to you now. hip hop is for the youth,bytch.

hiphop is the culture of the impoverished.
some toy told you that youth bullshyt and you believed them.
funny thing is,....
you are a toy yourself.
you are not a part of this culture...
so, you definitely are not qualified to speak on my place in this culture...
nor, have you contributed to the culture at all..
you not even posting well enough to get note on a message board.
while, I definitely was apart of the highest drawing underground act, not named atmosphere.
on top of being rep'd higher than any internet poster in history.


art barr

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

deep cover isn't the only reason, but deep cover and g thang were the first songs the national public heard him on, those created buzz.

As to your first paragrpah, all of that is irrelevant to the radio conversation of 92/93. Lastly, soundtracks were huge in the 90's and were known for spinning songs way bigger than the movie, most hood/low budget movies were outshined by their soundtrack - high school high, dangerous minds, above the rim, booty call, how to be a player, etc.

Son I remember the movie too and you know damn well it wasn't that popular. It wasn't even as popular as how to be a player.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Son I remember the movie too and you know damn well it wasn't that popular. It wasn't even as popular as how to be a player.

Dude, I never said the movie was popular, I said soundtracks often were more popular than the movie, then commenced to list movies where soundtracks spawned singles that we're more popular and successful than the movie

 

[NvrCMyNut]

anybody can be a rapper now that's the problem in my opinion real talk hip hop is good but these rappers r over exaggerated with these rhymes u cant believe it... 90's rappers were more believable... I don't wish 90s hip hop to return like I said hip hop is good but a lot of bs gets accepted now into the industry...

They were only more believable because the internet wasn't there to give you all this info on em, mostly it was about the music. Look up fat joe's breakfast club interview & what he said about mobb deep.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

have absolutely zero %, none nostalgia from the 90's. It just the best rap music

this. only thing i remember from the 90's is ruff ryders (dmx, eve, drag-on, lox) & 'i am' because of my older cousin. I have very little to be nostalgic over & i'm far from a backpacker of any kind. 90's just had the GOAT music, GOAT characters/icons & pretty much laid the blueprint and did everything better. Just compare the same kind of 'classic' albums from my era to the 90's
TM101 vs OB4CL
Trap Muzik vs Reasonable Doubt
GKMC vs Illmatic

 

[mobbinfms]

1 Snoop wasn't getting radio play like that initially except in LA. There wasn't even that many Hip Hop stations coast to coast at the time.

Snoop most certainly was not getting radio spins when he first came out all over the country. Major city? Sure. Coast to coast? Nope. You wouldn't have remembered any waus considering you were what, 6 or 7 years old when Doggystyle came out?

LOL, no he wasn't. I am from LA and remember when he actually started to get bigger and people started talking about Long Beach.

On top of all that, there wasn't very many urban stations that were playing Hip Hop for the masses then either.

So the first thing you said about Snoop in this thread was that "he wasn't getting radio play like that except in LA". Implying that initially (you didn't specify when this was) he was a regional artist (at least with regards to radio play).

Deep Cover - the first Snoop record I'm aware of - was a big record coast to coast. I'll defer to you about how often the record was being played on LA radio (of course, since you would have been 8-9 at the time, I'll take whatever you say with a grain of salt) - but the record received video play on BET and Yo and was seen by the hip-hop audience nationwide. That's how I recall first becoming aware of Snoop. I do agree with you that it wasn't a big daytime radio record (certainly when compared to Aint Nothing But A G Thang) - but that is irrelevant as my point that Snoop was a nationwide artist from day one - is 100% true. Remember, NWA were huge artists and didn't get radio play.

See below on how you try to subtly shift the content of the conversation to when Snoop blew up. This has nothing to do with whether his first record (and all subsequent records) were nationwide records. See how you further try to obfuscate by referencing the Source Awards that occurred 3 years later.

No he wasn't

You act like Snoop blew up instantly, when he didn't. It wasn't until The Chronic came out that he blew up every where thanks to the G Thang video. The single it self didn't come out till 6 months later. His first apperance on MTV most people just thought of him as that guy who kept his head down next to Dr Dre. Please don't act like the whole country was like 'Snoop Dogg is next' when even after he was huge there were people in New York who didn't fukk with him. The now infamous 'New York aint got no love for Snoop Dogg' line is still funny to this day.



Mainstream like everyone knew who they were. If you went to Texas you would know who Jay-z is. New York, LA, Boise Idaho, Seattle Washington, WHEREVER. That is mainstream. Common wasn't even popular in LA. Del was popular on the Westcoast but to act like he was a force to be fukked with on the Eastcoast, he wasn't. I remember when I lived with family in New Jersey in 95 there was a ton of artists they didn't even know about that we were really into out here. There was no quick way to share music at the time with that much distance.




Breh stop with the acceptance because you are not out polling people on any of this. You can't cry about Hip Hop now because of Soulja Boy but then act like Marky Mark didn't exist. It doesn't work like that. You are having a selective memory, which is making the 90s flawless, and then went it gets pointed out you are using this really corny excuse like 'oh he wasn't accepted' Neither was soulja boy but he still counts. Riff Raff no one takes serious but you nostalgic muhfukkas bring him up.



They were just as corny and fake. They just didn't get exposed and the information spreading around as freely. Rappers used to get robbed just the same but you never heard about it like that.

Nas called himself escobar but didn't sell any drugs, at all.

Jadakiss had to weight coke that they used to weigh the whales with....except that NEVER happened.



No, he wanted to get on stage and rock the mic. The guys ego was massive at the time.

There was a way to quickly share music at the time - it was called video shows. That is why artists like Common and The Roots were known nationwide by the hip hop community. I can't really comment on your cousins in Jersey because I don't know whether they were serious fans or not. When you use the term "everyone" to define "mainstream" I assume you mean hip-hop fans? Otherwise almost no hip hop artists in the 90s were true household mainstream artists.

Soulja Boy was accepted. Here is a list of the records that Soulja Boy has been featured on:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Soulja+Boy#t=Credits_Featuring-Presenting&q=&p=1&per=50

Marky Mark was not featured on any other artists songs. Search for yourself:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Marky+Mark+&+The+Funky+Bunch#t=Releases_All&q=&p=1

But make your case to me - link me to an article where Kool G Rap expresses an interest in doing a collab with Marky mark. Link me to a magazine cover with Dr. Dre and Marky Mark (you know, kind of like the Soulja Boy and 50 cover from XXL?). Find a glowing review for Music for the People from a hip-hop publication. Present me with any evidence that Marky Mark was accepted by his peers.

I don't consider Riff Raff to be a legit hip-hop artist.

I already acknowledged that hip-hop was always an art form that exaggerated and did not 100% reflect reality. But the difference between then and now is palpable. Go watch three videos for me. Eric B and Rakim "In The Ghetto", Gangstarr "Just to Get a Rep" and Group Home "Supa Star" and then compare it to three current videos and tell me which better reflects "reality".

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Did you really just say video shows?

For everyone outside of the tri-state there was just MTV.

Please don't pretend that you guys were into N2Deep in the 90s on the eastcoast and artists like Xzibit. Like I said, there was plenty out here that no one listened to out there. Im sure there are some rare exceptions but certainly not the norm. There wasn't an easy way to get music to others across the country.

 

[mobbinfms]

Did you really just say video shows?

For everyone outside of the tri-state there was just MTV.

Please don't pretend that you guys were into N2Deep in the 90s on the eastcoast and artists like Xzibit. Like I said, there was plenty out here that no one listened to out there. Im sure there are some rare exceptions but certainly not the norm. There wasn't an easy way to get music to others across the country.

I'm from the Bay. I vividly remember listening to KMEL and one of the guys from N2Deep admitting that they had some change in their pocket (in response to a question about how much $ they had made from Back To The Hotel). Rap City/Yo exposed me to a lot of shyt outside of the Bay.