Ice Cube Vs Prodigy

[Still Benefited]

More effective as an MC. Sorry but no it doesn't. Are you saying Vanilla Ice >>>> KRS-One then? Didn't he sell more? About MC Hammer >>>>> Rakim, Big Daddy Kane. It doesn't stand up and is double standards. That's again factually not true, when he's done well attended worldwide shows, there's someone on here from Australia and K-Rino was at his show. Just because you haven't doesn't mean anyone else hasn't, Farrahkan knows who he is, Scarface knows who he is, Z-Ro knows who he is, Chamillionair knows who he is, Gangster N.I.P knows who he is, DJ Premier knows who he is, Canibus knows who he is. A bunch of people know of him. Is he the most famous rapper no? But to equate that with talent doesn't stand up. I don't even know how you can know he's hell of a lyricist if you haven't heard his work. Your clearly bias and not speaking objectively, I've heard both' material, and I'm not related to either lol, so I'm purely speaking as a listener. That last thing you said is absolutely ridiculous and it's being blissfully ignorant, not spoken with any malice towards you personally cause your cool, but that's NOT how it works in the industry, it is not merely about talent or effectiveness as an MC/artist. Percee P is one hell of an artist, is Grandmaster Caz wack? People could say they were nobodys. That's just not the truth of the matter, blowing up involved numerous factors, such as timing, luck, content, appearance, beats, labels financial backing, who you know, location, a HUGE amount of factors, to reduce it to who's effective and not insults everyone's intelligence, cause it's not the way it works at all. So many factors, laziness, work ethic, personal issues, so many things. And being better lyrically is a significant part of being a better MC, and K-Rino is vastly better lyrically, not a little, or a bit but VASTYLY. From someone who has heard ALL Cube's albums and all of K-Rino's.

Whats Prodigys excuse,he knew Nas,had beef with 2 of the top selling rappers of all time got wrecked by both btw...knew Nas,was signed to one of the top selling acts of all time with 50 cent...came out in the 90's,was some of new yorks favorites so media coverage wasn't short,props wasn't low....is it your estimation it was harder for Mobb Deep to break through than NWA with there content? With no cosigns? Hiphop not being as big as it was by the time 90's came around....is this what your saying?

Now do you see why things like impact,stature and success matters SOMETIMES? Prodigy had plenty of opportunity to make a statement and didn't to where he should be mentioned in CUbes league....K Rino?ok maybe he hasn't had all the oppurtunitys but ive heard em and he's not as effective as Cube,he might not even be as effective as Killer Mike....he covers a lot of topics but he lackin as a emcee to make you really wanna listen or hang on every word....that's the mark of a great emcee to me.......if its lyrics over everything for you maybe you have this opinion about K Rino,but again I don't see if content is so important to you Cube don't get the nod over prodigy?oh wait,Prodigy is better lyrically to you than Cube....Well which is more important to you?the content,classic songs and creativity or lyricism? Cube has prodigy beat in a landslide in creativity,songs and content....so if you are picking Prodigy over Cube obviously lyricism means the most to you.

If you truly were taking all things into consideration like you are doing when it come to Krino vs Cube...how the hell do you have Prodigy over Cube when comparing them tho?All of a sudden content,touching on more subjects and creativity don't factor in?


You can have your opinions,but lets not pretend they are consistent....im not sure why your personal opinion should matter so much but the people choosing to voice they opinion by spending they money shouldn't,the masses acknowledging so and so is one of the best doesn't matter?...sure Nelly and Hammer have success.....but typically those who have been held up as all time greats have also had success and there time where they were the man and to be respected ACROSS the board not on no regional shyt,this happens CONSITENTLY.....when the people choose they typically choose right....Prodigy with all of his oppurtunities has never been chosen by the hiphop community nationally and don't have the stats and success to say otherwise


-And Eminem has a asterisk*...sorry to say but its too much noise coming from people who ONLY go off the charts and sales and don't really follow this shyt, even if he does get respect from his peers....if you got em at top ill assume you are somebody who prefers lyricism over everything else and I will expect the rest of your top 5 to be consistent and reflect that

 

[mobbinfms]

K-Rino is like the E-40 of Texas, he does a lot of things well but nothing amazing. He is not even the man in his own state, and Houston is pretty dry when it comes to legends.

Impact and definitive records is what solidifies your position. Prodigy and Ice Cube has them. But who is really picking AMW or Death Certificate over a Mobb Deep album? Prodigy will get his props, but when people start talking about the the greatest Prodigy will never be ranked higher than Cube.

E-40 is a nationally known artist who was signed to a major label in the 90s and dropped numerous successful projects. He is far far bigger than K Rino.

 

[H.I.M.]

No it doesn't. I've explained why clearly previously. It more defines how effective your label is than the artist. That's just a cop out, they were effective sales wise cause they sold records, can't move the goalposts to suit your argument. A lot of people thought Cube and N.W.A were corny historically. A lot of the old pioneer MC's hated that shyt when it first came out. They thought they worked so hard to bring about appositive Hip Hop culture and these dudes came and fukked it up with low level rhymes and vulgarity (their opinion not mine). These are documented facts. People danced like Hammer all the time, and white kids tried to rhyme like Vanilla Ice loads. You can't switch the argument like that effectively. Could easily say why didn't Cube sell as much as them, cause he wasn't as talented? And that doesn't hold up, cause it's a ignorant perspective.

That again makes no sense, it's effective depending on how it effects the people it DOES hear. If their aim is to touch someone with a song and it touches people that hear it deeply then that's effective. You can't be touched by something you don't hear, so that's not ineffective. If you mean a commercial artist commercially that's a different topic, but you can't judge art by sales, didn't Van Gough only sell 2 paintings while he was alive?. That's again absolutely incorrect ,and just things your throwing in to support your argument. Cube is a legend, no-ones ever denying that, so it'd almost needless to say, as no-one is challenging that. What I will challenge and maintain is K-Rino is a better artist and vastly superior lyricist in very way.

K-Rino's lyrical & artistic superiority over their israeli-cac run media & industry annointed legends got these nikkas feeling some type of way

This is my pound.

P's best attribute as an MC was his delivery and voice. He made you believe that shyt. But as an MC he doesn't have any particular thing he's great at. His flow isn't great, his lyrics aren't gonna blow you away, his content is run of the mill.

I will agree that Prodigy definitely has a better delivery and maybe flow as well than Post-NWA Cube, and that's where it ends. Voice? HELL NO! Prodigy has an awful rap voice. Nothing distinct or unique about it. It's monotone, lifeless and he basically sounds like every other nikka. And his lyrics & content are about as basic & repetitive as it gets. Can't for the life of me see what so many internet nerds see in duke. There are alot of rappers i don't like but i'm able to see the appeal. Prodigy? I just don't get it.

Lol, I like Prodigy. I liked Prodigy's voice, flow, lyrics, loved the beats havoc produced, love Infamous and Hell On Earth as projects, enjoyed some of his solo work too. Prodigy has elements to his arsenal I perceive as flaws, but then again so does Cube to me. We gonna have to agree to disagree on that, but I hope we at least agree K-Rino >> both of them lol.

Easily.

 

[ISO]

He posted two lines, neither had any great similes or metaphors, nor were they compound rhymes. Every once in a while, just like any rapper in history P would have some multis thrown in, but that was never something he did or was good at.

And it's not that I love sociopolitical themes in rap and hate gangster rap. I have no issue with P's content my issue is when you try to compare a nikka that just rap street shyt, to a nikka that touches on EVERY topic that relevant to black culture and try to compare the two as lyricist and artist. It doesn't work, unless the former is exceptionally more gifted as a rhymer. For example, Kool G Rap is an incredible lyricist, so his lack of content is made up for by the fact his rhyming ability is so top notch. Prodigy is a rhymer that's not as good as Cube with way worse content. It's not even comparable imo

And Cube is around 6-7 on my all-time list. Sometimes top 5 depending on the day.

Those were ill ass similies/metaphors but we off that. Read the verses those components are there. Anyway it's pretty clear Cube already won, he's most definitely the higher ranking rapper no matter if anyone thinks P is the better rhymer. Really not anything left to discuss here.

Really wish this thread wasn't made cuz P got embarrassed
I don't really think it's a good comparison they are WAY different, I could see Cube vs. KRS or Cube vs. Chuck D. But P is really in a completely different lane.

 

[H.I.M.]

E-40 is a nationally known artist who was signed to a major label in the 90s and dropped numerous successful projects. He is far far bigger than K Rino.

How many "rap legends" has named E-40 as an influence?

How many "rap legends" have listed E-40 as one of the greatest lyricists of all-time?

I guarantee you, not as many as K-Rino.

If you want to play the record sales game we can play that game too though.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Blaming your lack of recognition on anyone besides yourself is a cop out. Sure record labels play a part but if K-Rino's music was effective as Cube he would have a bigger name in the culture. He doesn't for a reason. And who moved the goalpost? We're talking about effectivenss right? When did I change the meaning of it? It always meant the same to me. Whose music made a bigger impact on the culture. Vanilla Ice and Hammers music had ZERO impact on the culture. They were pop cross over acts who had 1 big selling out. No rappers tried to sound like them (Unless you count Deion Sanders lol), and they made kids dance. But what they SAID meant absolutely nothing to anyone. Kids didn't listen to them nikkas. I was in elementary school when they came out, nobody talked about no fukking Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Them nikkas meant nothing to anyone.

And if you think K-Rino is a better artist, you're entitled to think whatever you want. I just know I've only heard a handful of K-Rino songs and they're barusa.

That's just not true and unrealistic. D.O.C isn't as big as he should be, was that cause of a lack of talent? No, he had a car accident, shyt like that happens all the time. Big L got murdered. Big Pun died before his 3rd album. What if Pun died after he recorded Capital Punishment then the label shelved him before release? Would that make him not effective. No, he would be effective because his shyt was dope. Whether or not people heard him or not. Like someone said recently, K-Rino had a nationwide tour when he was 16, Willie D put him on tracks, Scarface always rated him as one of the best. DJ Premier rates him highly. So he clearly has talent people who know their shyt feel. Talent is not the problem. Is Last Emperor also not talented then? Because he's under the radar? Despite the plaudits, from KRS, Mos Def, RZA and others. Is Rakim not talented cause Dre situation didn't work out? This isn't reality. Sometimes shyt doesn't work out for reasons not to do with talent. Many labels copy, anyone familiar with labels knows what I'm talking about, an act comes out and they want to copy that act with their future acts... yeahhh we need a song like 50... but I believe in black power like Public Enemy.... make me an In The Club or Wanksta or your not coming out. That happens all the time in the industry. I'm extremely familiar with how the industry operates. These are the truth. Infact labels used to put out what they wanted from solicited demos, and they would often start with, an artist like Eminem, in the vein of 50 Cent, these are facts. I know artists who have been signed to all types of labels, from Def Jam to Sony to indies.



K-Rino is a member of the Nation of Islam and is down with Farrakhan for real, they know eachother on a personal level. He would not denounce Farrakhan, nor would he change his content or relquinish his creative control. K-Rino had labels fukk him over too. Ras Kass was a talent, apparently in Dre's top 5. But a mixture of attitude, the car crash, alcoholism , labels and other shyt were partly to blame for him not blowing up how he should. Papoose and Saigon would have blew hugely bar the label issues, they were the next up. There are many many more factors than just talent, these are the truths. Anyone who's familiar with the industry for real will know what I'm talking about deeply.

I'm talking about music, your talking about sales... until higher selling artists than Cube that are wack are mentioned then your not talking about sales anymore. Impact and music's quality are two completely different things, which can be synomomous but aren't necessarily mutally exclusive. Exactly, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the valid ones are those with a full knowledge of both work, or you have no reference point to compare and it's meaningless talk.

 

[The Ruler 09]

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Whats Prodigys excuse,he knew Nas,had beef with 2 of the top selling rappers of all time got wrecked by both btw...knew Nas,was signed to one of the top selling acts of all time with 50 cent...came out in the 90's,was some of new yorks favorites so media coverage wasn't short,props wasn't low....is it your estimation it was harder for Mobb Deep to break through than NWA with there content? With no cosigns? Hiphop not being as big as it was by the time 90's came around....is this what your saying?

Now do you see why things like impact,stature and success matters SOMETIMES? Prodigy had plenty of opportunity to make a statement and didn't to where he should be mentioned in CUbes league....K Rino?ok maybe he hasn't had all the oppurtunitys but ive heard em and he's not as effective as Cube,he might not even be as effective as Killer Mike....he covers a lot of topics but he lackin as a emcee to make you really wanna listen or hang on every word....that's the mark of a great emcee to me.......if its lyrics over everything for you maybe you have this opinion about K Rino,but again I don't see if content is so important to you Cube don't get the nod over prodigy?oh wait,Prodigy is better lyrically to you than Cube....Well which is more important to you?the content,classic songs and creativity or lyricism? Cube has prodigy beat in a landslide in creativity,songs and content....so if you are picking Prodigy over Cube obviously lyricism means the most to you.

If you truly were taking all things into consideration like you are doing when it come to Krino vs Cube...how the hell do you have Prodigy over Cube when comparing them tho?All of a sudden content,touching on more subjects and creativity don't factor in?


You can have your opinions,but lets not pretend they are consistent....im not sure why your personal opinion should matter so much but the people choosing to voice they opinion by spending they money shouldn't,the masses acknowledging so and so is one of the best doesn't matter?...sure Nelly and Hammer have success.....but typically those who have been held up as all time greats have also had success and there time where they were the man and to be respected ACROSS the board not on no regional shyt,this happens CONSITENTLY.....when the people choose they typically choose right....Prodigy with all of his oppurtunities has never been chosen by the hiphop community nationally and don't have the stats and success to say otherwise


-And Eminem has a asterisk*...sorry to say but its too much noise coming from people who ONLY go off the charts and sales and don't really follow this shyt, even if he does get respect from his peers....if you got em at top ill assume you are somebody who prefers lyricism over everything else and I will expect the rest of your top 5 to be consistent and reflect that

I'm writing this inbetween exercise real quick lol. I hope there's something new in this reply lol. Opinions, I feel K-Rino is vastly more effective than Cube, infact I find it more insulting to compare Cube to K-Rino than P to Cube, however I don't find it insulting cause anyone can be compared. But in theory, K-Rino is levels beyond Cube. There's a bunch of people that agree with me, can show them anytime asked...

It's not just content, it's a balance overall.

My top 5...

Pac... songmaker, great content, passion, delivery, voice, classic songs

KRS, content, styles, flows, Mc attributes, crazy shows

K-Rino incredible lyricism, content, flows, great songs, concepts and creativity

Nas, great albums, concepts and creativity, content

Jay Z, flows, many great songs, wordplay

Just a few things, but as you can see, it's not ALL just content. If it was KRS and K-Rino would be top, and someone like Rakim over Jay, or Immortal Technique or Brother Ali or Chuck D even. So what I do is evaluate everything, the overall artistic package. And the body of work. I have no favouritism, just what I feel is best, to be honest I'd really like to put certain MC's above Jay but....... Jay has Meet The Parents, You Must Love Me, Girls Girls Girls Remix and orginal, Regrets, D'evils, Brooklyn's Finets, Decemeber 4th and could go on. Anybody being honest can see my list is completely an objective and honest opinion with no favouritism or bullshyt. I'm judging off art cause I believe that's the criteria one should be judged upon as an ARTist.

My opinions are completely 100 percent fully and absolutely consistent. My opinion matters because I am extremely knowledgable about Hip Hop and it's artistic elements, lyrically, recording wise, all aspects of being an MC and an artist. This doesn't mean my opinion is the sole one that matters, but it does mean my opinion does matter because I am a real individual and a sincere one. I'm not really concerned with people respecting my opinion, because I don't say it for respect, I say it unashamedly cause that's how I feel. But artists I know in real life respect my opinon highly, and people within the culture. I'm not a namedropper, as I don't need to be, have nothing to prove to anybody, but my opinion is as credible as anybody. I have in depth huge knowledge about Hip Hop, particularly artistically, I live Hip Hop and love Hip Hop deeply. So my opinion matters more than some people who are just casually listening and don't really know and aren't apart of Hip Hop for real. It's self evident my knowledge base is well informed whether you agree or not, I can talk about Cube songs and albums AND K-Rino's AND Prodigys, most on here can't do that...

 

[Still Benefited]

How many "rap legends" has named E-40 as an influence?

How many "rap legends" have listed E-40 as one of the greatest lyricists of all-time?

I guarantee you, not as many as K-Rino.

If you want to play the record sales game we can play that game too though.

2pac,Too Short,any other bay area legend just about,UGK,Snoop,Master P,8ball,Young Jeezy,Baby,Kendrick Lamar,Juelz santanna,basically all the real nikkas....your turn,what rap legends asking K rino to feature on they shyt?...anybody I know?anybody outside of texas?since you wanna go and downplay the gawd all willy nilly

 

[The Ruler 09]

2pac,Too Short,any other bay area legend just about,UGK,Snoop,Master P,8ball,Young Jeezy,Baby,Kendrick Lamar,Juelz santanna,basically all the real nikkas....your turn,what rap legends asking K rino to feature on they shyt?...anybody I know?anybody outside of texas?since you wanna go and downplay the gawd all willy nilly

Anybody you know? You don't know Scarface?

 

[The Ruler 09]

2pac,Too Short,any other bay area legend just about,UGK,Snoop,Master P,8ball,Young Jeezy,Baby,Kendrick Lamar,Juelz santanna,basically all the real nikkas....your turn,what rap legends asking K rino to feature on they shyt?...anybody I know?anybody outside of texas?since you wanna go and downplay the gawd all willy nilly

K-Rino worked with Spice 1, Z-Ro, Scarface, DJ Premier, Canibus, Gangster N.I.P, Dope E. You don't know Z-Ro? Immortal Technique and K-Rino spoke about doing a song together, don't know if it happened or not yet. Willie D, Klondike Kat, Killiah Priest, Wise Intelligent, Beast 1333, DJ Screw, Devin The Dude, Trae The Truth, Bun B, OG Style, A bunch of people.

Not to mention for Farrahkhan.... you must of heard of him?

 

[The Ruler 09]

K-Rino worked with Spice 1, Z-Ro, Scraface, DJ Premier, Canibus, Gangster N.I.P, Dope E. You don't know Z-Ro? Immortal Technique and K-Rino spoke about doing a song together, don't know if it happened or not yet. Willie D, Klondike Kat, Killiah Priest, Wise Intelligent, Beast 1333, DJ Screw, Devin The Dude, Trae The Truth, Bun B, OG Style, A bunch of people.

Not to mention for Farrahkhan.... you must of heard of him?

Not know any of these people?

 

[Grand_Verbalizer]

I'd like to expand on what @FreshAIG was talking about as far cultural impact plus i despise when cats pull that "mc hammer vanila ice" argument out their ass.
Souls of mischief had cultural impact - didn't sell that much
Pharcyde had Cultural Impact
Freestyle Fellowship had a HUGE cultural impact - didn't sell a lot
I Used to love her had cultural impact - Album flopped
Supernat and juice impacted the culture without selling a single record and provided a lane for up'n'commers freestyling on the radio
etc. etc.

K-Rino ?

 

[FreshAIG]

I'd like to expand on what @FreshAIG was talking about as far cultural impact plus i despise when cats pull that "mc hammer vanila ice" argument out their ass.
Souls of mischief had cultural impact - didn't sell that much
Pharcyde had Cultural Impact
Freestyle Fellowship had a HUGE cultural impact - didn't sell a lot
I Used to love her had cultural impact - Album flopped
Supernat and juice impacted the culture without selling a single record and provided a lane for up'n'commers freestyling on the radio
etc. etc.

K-Rino ?

THANK YOU!

That MC Hammer/Vanilla Ice argument is so dumb when talking about cultural impact. They had zero. They were pop artists not rappers. Nothing they made mattered to rap culture.

K-Rino has Zero cultural impact. Like you said Freestyle Fellowship never sold any records and yet had a big effect on rap music. Same with a lot of acts that never crossed over to mainstream. K-Rino had no impact because his music clearly didn't move people or the culture like that

 

[Still Benefited]

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I'm writing this inbetween exercise real quick lol. I hope there's something new in this reply lol. Opinions, I feel K-Rino is vastly more effective than Cube, infact I find it more insulting to compare Cube to K-Rino than P to Cube, however I don't find it insulting cause anyone can be compared. But in theory, K-Rino is levels beyond Cube. There's a bunch of people that agree with me, can show them anytime asked...

It's not just content, it's a balance overall.

My top 5...

Pac... songmaker, great content, passion, delivery, voice, classic songs

KRS, content, styles, flows, Mc attributes, crazy shows

K-Rino incredible lyricism, content, flows, great songs, concepts and creativity

Nas, great albums, concepts and creativity, content

Jay Z, flows, many great songs, wordplay

Just a few things, but as you can see, it's not ALL just content. If it was KRS and K-Rino would be top, and someone like Rakim over Jay, or Immortal Technique or Brother Ali or Chuck D even. So what I do is evaluate everything, the overall artistic package. And the body of work. I have no favouritism, just what I feel is best, to be honest I'd really like to put certain MC's above Jay but....... Jay has Meet The Parents, You Must Love Me, Girls Girls Girls Remix and orginal, Regrets, D'evils, Brooklyn's Finets, Decemeber 4th and could go on. Anybody being honest can see my list is completely an objective and honest opinion with no favouritism or bullshyt. I'm judging off art cause I believe that's the criteria one should be judged upon as an ARTist.

My opinions are completely 100 percent fully and absolutely consistent. My opinion matters because I am extremely knowledgable about Hip Hop and it's artistic elements, lyrically, recording wise, all aspects of being an MC and an artist. This doesn't mean my opinion is the sole one that matters, but it does mean my opinion does matter because I am a real individual and a sincere one. I'm not really concerned with people respecting my opinion, because I don't say it for respect, I say it unashamedly cause that's how I feel. But artists I know in real life respect my opinon highly, and people within the culture. I'm not a namedropper, as I don't need to be, have nothing to prove to anybody, but my opinion is as credible as anybody. I have in depth huge knowledge about Hip Hop, particularly artistically, I live Hip Hop and love Hip Hop deeply. So my opinion matters more than some people who are just casually listening and don't really know and aren't apart of Hip Hop for real. It's self evident my knowledge base is well informed whether you agree or not, I can talk about Cube songs and albums AND K-Rino's AND Prodigys, most on here can't do that...

you got nikkas ranked in your top 5 for a whole bunch of random reasons,it appears as if you are just making up random reasons to justify why you like one ahead of the other verses consistency imo,to where I could look at your top 5 and know what you value over everything else...based off your top 5 if I was just looking at it I would assume its based on concepts,content....but then you throw Cube to the bushes over Prodigy and im...I respect everybodys personal opinion and that's really all that matters at the end of the day....but I think when it comes to all time rankings you need some historical backing behind putting just any ol body over cube....and success plays apart in that to me,aint a single all time GREAT I can think of that's as unknown as K Rino...and knowledge doesn't mean bias doesn't play apart as well as personal taste....so at the end of the day it comes back to the same thing,its still just your opinion....without historical backing,individual accolades and feathers in the hat I think the opinion lacks credibility....you should value your opinion more than everybody elses but the rest of us should reject your deposit and let you know "?"

 

[The Ruler 09]

THANK YOU!

That MC Hammer/Vanilla Ice argument is so dumb when talking about cultural impact. They had zero. They were pop artists not rappers. Nothing they made mattered to rap culture.

K-Rino has Zero cultural impact. Like you said Freestyle Fellowship never sold any records and yet had a big effect on rap music. Same with a lot of acts that never crossed over to mainstream. K-Rino had no impact because his music clearly didn't move people or the culture like that

It's not dumb, because we weren't talking about cultural impact we were talking about sales. I can't believe I'm having this discussion on a Hip Hop board lol, well I can I guess, but it's a shame lol. They were rappers that were pop artists, pop and rap are not mutually exclusive all the time.

How can you judge an underground artist by cultural impact lmao. It's a way to dismiss less famous artists, a wack way, I don't know why, maybe because people are intimidated by the skill, they don't want their favourites humiliated. K-Rino has been dropping shyt recently that lyrically destroys anything in Cube's career. K-Rino had some impact anyway, Z-Ro says he is his main influence, or we gonna dismiss Z-Ro as a nobody too? He's an influence to Scarface, he had the 2nd Hip Hop record to come out of his city apparently, he's a pioneer. And he's inspiring MC's right now, as his music got more and more heard more people are inspired by him and love his shyt. But it's an organic real thing, not manufactured and fake, or manipulated, it's off THE MUSIC more and more people are fukking with K-Rino. He has songs with MILLIONS of views on youtube. Lmao I can't believe the crazy shyt I'm reading lol. K-Rino's music moves people deeply, hugely and profoundly, he is a much more talented MC and lyricist than most people. This is what shyt's come down to, dissing great talents without hearing their music lol, it's insane lol.