Ideal scenario for November

[Tate]

This early in the year? What is this, 1915?

The DNC and RNC do not fukk around with this stuff.

Rep. Gabbard and Debbie Wasserman Schlitz absolutely loathe one another which is the real reason why she stepped down.
Also Tulsi is far less ideologically in lockstep with Bernie than her resigning statement and endorsement would have you believe since she has been a Fox News darling for the past couple years due to her penchant to criticize Obama for not being tough enough on ISIS and Syria.

Yeah saw where she also was opposed to taking refugees as well. Def some weird shyt behind this.

 

[SirReginald]

So he has followers because he has a donkey by his name and not because of his beliefs?

Dude would be Jill Stein status lol.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Here's what I'm thinking.

DEM
HRC - She's too entrenched with the establishment, media, and political class to lose to Sanders.

GOP
Trump - Obviously I disagree with 80%+ of his platform, but he is for the most part self-funded, says fukk-you to special interest money, thinks Iraq War was a huge mistake, has left-leaning views on certain topics, and openly challenged the Israeli lobby on multiple occasions. He is obviously pandering to xenophobia and white fear, but I think he would govern to the left of Rubio or Cruz.



Here's where it gets good. For the first time since Ross Perot (don't come here talking Nader), we have an opportunity to present viable independent and third party candidates:

INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES

Bernie - I say he runs as an independent. It would certainly kill his relationships with the DEMs but he has a really strong grassroots movement right now who is at the mercy of a rigged primary process and pro-HRC media/establishment. This would cause major ripple effects.

Bloomberg - He decides to run. Fiscally conservative and liberal when it comes to a lot of social issues. Would pick up some support from centrists dissatisfied by Trump and HRC.

THIRD PARTY

Libertarian - I hope Ron Paul runs, retired or not. He has a lot of ground support and loyalty. I would like to see a fractured electorate, and Ron Paul would do better than Gary Johnson.

Green Party- Jill is probably going to run here.



The purpose of this? To make a dent in the two-party system race for President. This is the first time since Perot where I can remember a true possibility of strong third party and independent candidates running for President. At the least, I hope Sanders or Bloomberg would run.


Thoughts?

Bernie won't run as an Independent. I also think he is going to negotiate a Cabinet position from Hillary in return for endorsing and campaigning for her.
Bloomberg is all talk and considering the fact that he was less of a factor in the GOP primary than Lindsey Graham and was probably tied with Jim Gilmore in terms of people not giving one solid fukk about him, his chances of making any noise as an Independent are virtually nil.
So what we will have most likely is:

Democratic Party: Hillary Clinton
Republican Party: Donald Trump
Green Party: Jill Stein
Libertarian Party: Haven't had their convention yet but will most likely be Gary Johnson again
Constitution Party: Will probably Virgil Goode Jr again but their convention isn't till April
Reform Party: Nominee not chosen by party yet
Veterans Party: Chris Keniston
Citizens Party: claims they will run a candidate this year (didn't have a presidential candidate in 2012) but no one has been selected yet

Then there are the people already running as Independents who you can find out about HERE
There was also an Independent Candidate Debate held in January:

 

[Jello Biafra]

Dude would be Jill Stein status lol.

Don't be clowning Jill, man.

 

[Tate]

I do think you'll see an uptick in Green support this year tho, if she runs a good campaign in the right states she could get 3-4%

 

[SirReginald]

Bernie won't run as an Independent. I also think he is going to negotiate a Cabinet position from Hillary in return for endorsing and campaigning for her.
Bloomberg is all talk and considering the fact that he was less of a factor in the GOP primary than Lindsey Graham and was probably tied with Jim Gilmore in terms of people not giving one solid fukk about him, his chances of making any noise as an Independent are virtually nil.
So what we will have most likely is:

Democratic Party: Hillary Clinton
Republican Party: Donald Trump
Green Party: Jill Stein
Libertarian Party: Haven't had their convention yet but will most likely be Gary Johnson again
Constitution Party: Will probably Virgil Goode Jr again but their convention isn't till April
Reform Party: Nominee not chosen by party yet
Veterans Party: Chris Keniston
Citizens Party: claims they will run a candidate this year (didn't have a presidential candidate in 2012) but no one has been selected yet

Then there are the people already running as Independents who you can find out about HERE
There was also an Independent Candidate Debate held in January:

He already endorsed Trump, so that's out.

 

[SirReginald]

It's time to let 3rd party candidates participate nationally.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Obviously he is an ultra-capitalist business man, so I'm sure he already aligns with Wall Street interests on a lot of fronts, if not all.

But he is much less inclined to go around sucking AIPAC dikk and slobbering on Koch cock than Rubio and Cruz I would think. I may be wrong.

You're big on civil liberties though right? Trump would be an absolute nightmare on that front. Worse than Bush and Obama.

 

[Type Username Here]

You're big on civil liberties though right? Trump would be an absolute nightmare on that front. Worse than Bush and Obama.

Most likely. But worse than Rubio or Cruz ? That's the true question since those are the two realistic alternatives to him. I can't rule it out that he would be worse than those two but at least Trump has held some very liberal views in his recent past. Can't say the same for Rafael and Thirst Boy.

 

[acri1]

I'm not sure who Bernie running 3rd Party would benefit other than Republicans.

That would basically be freely handing the election (and the next couple Supreme Court picks) to the GOP. Can't see Ron Paul running again either, at this point I think he's bordering on being too old to deal with all that campaigning. Doubt Bloomberg could run either, the GOP establishment wouldn't have it.

 

[Tate]

I'm not sure who Bernie running 3rd Party would benefit other than Republicans.

That would basically be freely handing the election (and the next couple Supreme Court picks) to the GOP. Can't see Ron Paul running again either, at this point I think he's bordering on being too old to deal with all that campaigning. Doubt Bloomberg could run either, the GOP establishment wouldn't have it.

Ron Paul already did this in 1980, also refused to endorse McCain or Romney iirc. He has much less loyalty to the GOP than sanders does to the DNC. Bloomberg would have only run if sanders win the primary. He's fine with Clinton just as he's fine with Obama and would have been fine with Romney or Jeb bush, etc.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Most likely. But worse than Rubio or Cruz ? That's the true question since those are the two realistic alternatives to him. I can't rule it out that he would be worse than those two but at least Trump has held some very liberal views in his recent past. Can't say the same for Rafael and Thirst Boy.

Cruz might be the most frightening presidency as far as overall policy. I tend to think Trump would be the worst in the area of civil liberties though. He has very clear and blatant extreme authoritarian/facistic tendencies. Most comparisons of anyone to Hitler are lazy, extreme hyperbole. I wouldn't say so in Trump's case.

 

[BucciMane]

I'd love for and independent to run. That would all but assure Trump the presidency..

 

[CACtain Planet]

Cruz might be the most frightening presidency as far as overall policy. I tend to think Trump would be the worst in the area of civil liberties though. He has very clear and blatant extreme authoritarian/facistic tendencies. Most comparisons of anyone to Hitler are lazy, extreme hyperbole. I wouldn't say so in Trump's case.

And what presidential tool would Trump use to take away civil liberties that would be worse than Bush/Obama era doctrine?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

And what presidential tool would Trump use to take away civil liberties that would be worse than Bush/Obama era doctrine?

He'd use the same tools. I think he'd just be more aggressive with it based on what he has indicated. He said waterboarding didn't go far enough and he would kill terrorists' families.