If any other all-time center was getting guarded by a guard in a game 7......

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A dominant 5 should NEVER be able to get schemed out the game.



Straight up and down.



Caruso is catching a big ass elbow from Shaq or Dream...early. Soon as he starts fronting he's getting physically punished.
Shaq and Dream aren't throwing those elbows in today's game to be ejected
 

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Shaq was the most fouled player in the history of the league, so much that the damn Commissioner basically told him "oh well. Deal with it."

Yet a little grabbing from 6-4 Alex Caruso had that boy ready to crash out on the refs:wow:
Wilt was the most fouled player, but eventually Karl Malone and Moses Malone got career free attempts. Shaq was 4th behind that group.

 
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A dominant 5 should NEVER be able to get schemed out the game.



Straight up and down.



Caruso is catching a big ass elbow from Shaq or Dream...early. Soon as he starts fronting he's getting physically punished.
Dream and Shaq wouldn't have to throw any bows. They would just be way too big, strong and athletic for him to guard. Caruso could guard Jokic, because Jokic is not athletic and apparently not very strong. Shaq, David Robinson and Dream would be way too strong and athletic for Caruso. Hell Rodman, Pippen and Jordan couldn't guard guard Shaq, Robinson or Dream either.
 
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Dream and Shaq wouldn't have to throw any bows. They would just be way too big, strong and athletic for him to guard. Caruso could guard Jokic, because Jokic is not athletic and apparently not very strong. Shaq, David Robinson and Dream would be way too strong and athletic for Caruso. Hell Rodman, Pippen and Jordan couldn't guard guard Shaq, Robinson or Dream either.
:mjlol::dead:

What makes this even funnier is saying DRob is somehow stronger when he was primarily a face-up player.
 

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Even beyond getting clamped he just sort of gave up in the middle of the second quarter.

At least go down jacking up 40 ahots if your team is selling
 
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I don't know whether some of y'all don't know what it is you're actually looking at, or your hatred and bias stops you from acknowledging what you're looking at.

Either/or, it's nasty work.

Especially after you saw him put up multiple 40+ point games in the series.
 
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Even beyond getting clamped he just sort of gave up in the middle of the second quarter.

At least go down jacking up 40 ahots if your team is selling
I think that's a little unfair and not really representative of what happened.

After a few minutes he checked back in and finished off with 10 points in the 2nd quarter, alone. The rest of the team only had 10 points, combined, during the same quarter. Furthermore, Westbrook and MPJ were being left open, and AG couldn't do a whole lot on offense, so OKC were basically shadowing him on defense and just letting his teammates beat them.

Harder to just jack up shots if the defense is leaving 2-3 of your teammates open. It wasn't like he was turning down shots, they just weren't there for him. He was making the right play by finding the open guy, but they couldn't make their shots.
 

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I think that's a little unfair and not really representative of what happened.

After a few minutes he checked back in and finished off with 10 points in the 2nd quarter, alone. The rest of the team only had 10 points, combined, during the same quarter. Furthermore, Westbrook and MPJ were being left open, and AG couldn't do a whole lot on offense, so OKC were basically shadowing him on defense and just letting his teammates beat them.

Harder to just jack up shots if the defense is leaving 2-3 of your teammates open. It wasn't like he was turning down shots, they just weren't there for him. He was making the right play by finding the open guy, but they couldn't make their shots.

Man its okay to admit he had a bad game breh, he put up 9 fukking shots
 
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Man its okay to admit he had a bad game breh, he put up 9 fukking shots
Well, he certainly didn't have a great game.

But that's besides the point.

The loss wasn't the cause of what he wasn't doing, or could've done, it was because his team was injured and incapable of making open shots/reads. He put up more than 9 shots, it's just some of those were on shooting fouls where he went to the line. This narrative about Caruso clamping Jokic is completely untrue. It was OKC selling out as a whole on defense to limit him and just leaving others open. Whenever Westbrook was on the floor, OKC just refused to defend him.

That's not a reflection on how bad Jokic played.

It should be commended he led his team to 7 games with the state the roster was in and with an interim coach.
 
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:why: whose mane is this?

David Robinson played in the post. He could face up, but all the bigs in his era had a low post game.





Ain't no way in hell did you just post his Top 10 career plays where almost the entirety of them are him dunking running downhill, and attributing that to post-up strength.

He wasn't that type of player.

There's no way you actually watched him play.

He was often critcized during the postseason because he was seen as a soft big who took too many jumpshots (a lot like AD in that respect). He wasn't posting-up shyt. He bailed out many a defense during the playoffs because he lacked go-to moves in the post, and would just default to taking jumpers when the game slowed down.
 

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Well, he certainly didn't have a great game.

But that's besides the point.

The loss wasn't the cause of what he wasn't doing, or could've done, it was because his team was injured and incapable of making open shots/reads. He put up more than 9 shots, it's just some of those were on shooting fouls where he went to the line. This narrative about Caruso clamping Jokic is completely untrue. It was OKC selling out as a whole on defense to limit him and just leaving others open. Whenever Westbrook was on the floor, OKC just refused to defend him.

That's not a reflection on how bad Jokic played.

It should be commended he led his team to 7 games with the state the roster was in and with an interim coach.

All I have to say is, afford the next player these same caveats you so readily provide Joker :manny:
 
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All I have to say is, afford the next player these same caveats you so readily provide Joker :manny:
I always judge players, consistently. A shame I can't say the same for this board.

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Giannis got beat 1-4 in the 1st round, and that was his first playoff win in over 1000 days. Jokic has won 7 playoff games in this postseason alone (never mind over the last 1000 days), yet somehow the smoke for him and what he failed to do to beat a better and healthier team is much greater than it was for someone who's seen on the same level as him.

It's weird as hell where Denver is forced to play a guy with a Grade 2 hamstring injury (where he couldn't even run up and down the floor) because they don't have anyone else, emphasized by having to play a 36-year-old guard who inadvertently sabotages games and another wing with a Grade 2 AC joint injury with his shoulder hanging down to the floor causing him to lose his shooting ability (his one and only value), yet we're distorting the picture of what really happened in this game to criticize Jokic against a near-70 win squad who're much, much deeper and healthier.

Just look at this possession -
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Jokic is trying to seal off Caruso, all the while Shai is literally right beside him, and then you have Wallace one step away. Three defenders right there in his vicinity.

Meanwhile, there's Westbrook and Watson both left wide open; Jokic havivng to deal with multiple defenders because his teammates can't shoot.

That was the theme of the game.
 
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